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Shipon
Nov 7, 2005
why would anyone be mad about bad D&D posts? they make great content for the 'zone and i love reading them

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Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Thing is nobody wants to discuss either, from either side/culture/leftist/liberal/whatever take

People mostly want to yell that they're right and get in burns and hot takes and not really go into any real depth

And anyone who disagrees is my posting enemy because the goal is being right, not discussion.

If you think that D&D, a board full of leftists is the problem, but not the glorious C-spam, a board full of slightly more left leftists, that's really dumb and lazy. The whole forums culture thing can also get really stupid, like "look at D&D it's full of eugenicists" when it was one guy who was immediately piled on by everyone with a brain

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Catpetter1981 posted:

Thing is nobody wants to discuss either, from either side/culture/leftist/liberal/whatever take

People mostly want to yell that they're right and get in burns and hot takes and not really go into any real depth

And anyone who disagrees is my posting enemy because the goal is being right, not discussion.

If you think that D&D, a board full of leftists is the problem, but not the glorious C-spam, a board full of slightly more left leftists, that's really dumb and lazy. The whole forums culture thing can also get really stupid, like "look at D&D it's full of eugenicists" when it was one guy who was immediately piled on by everyone with a brain

well its finally happened, we've become the PYF quotes thread

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

joepinetree gave you a very earnest, no-bullshit reply and just scrollin' on past it is poo poo

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Jaxyon posted:

:qq: but i can tell by your "I need a good laugh" that this is a very serious question and you're not just doing that thing that bullies do in grade school where you ask questions but your'e just looking for more ammo to mock someone :qq:

No, we're asking you to define it so we can actually engage with your reasons for describing D&D as leftist rather than liberal or centrist. You seem to treat the idea that D&D is generally liberal with derision, so why don't you tell us why we're wrong? This is an open invitation, you can either choose to share your logic or you can play this stupid "well you're not good enough to explain myself to" game which nobody's buying anyway.

You're going to get mocked either way, so why not find some courage for once in your life and stand for what you believe?

e: oh yeah and you don't get to highroad anyone if you're just going to flat out ignore honest replies that engage you, like joepinetree's

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Wait, DnD is leftists now?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

loquacius posted:

One of the most common voter suppression tactics is to close polling places so you have to wait in line for ten hours to vote

GOTV efforts wouldn't solve this, might make it worse, but would help with big donors' PR which is what they're actually for

from twitter

Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

spacetoaster posted:

Wait, DnD is leftists now?

see what i mean

lol "everyone to the right of me is a filthy liberal" yeah sure

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

"d&d is leftist" makes sense when you remember that in the US the mainstream left is still aoc and the faiz shakirs of the political environment. that is their people.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Catpetter1981 posted:

see what i mean

lol "everyone to the right of me is a filthy liberal" yeah sure

The place decrying the Afghanistan pullout by saying it's going to be bad for women is what you consider left?

Do you actually believe that calling for/supporting our overseas wars as a leftist take?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

spacetoaster posted:

The place decrying the Afghanistan pullout by saying it's going to be bad for women is what you consider left?

Do you actually believe that calling for/supporting our overseas wars as a leftist take?

my man you are arguing with blind quotes from the previous page of this thread

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

"d&d is leftist" makes sense when you remember that in the US the mainstream left is still aoc and the faiz shakirs of the political environment. that is their people.

Its like the people who during the Obama years called themselves "socialists" snarikly because Fox News called them that but they were bog-standard libs

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Raskolnikov38 posted:

my man you are arguing with blind quotes from the previous page of this thread

poo poo

I feel dumber than usual.







lol

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

spacetoaster posted:

The place decrying the Afghanistan pullout by saying it's going to be bad for women is what you consider left?

Do you actually believe that calling for/supporting our overseas wars as a leftist take?

They're aggressively SYQing, please direct your response to the actual op (jaxyon)

E: beaten

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

Raskolnikov38 posted:

my man you are arguing with blind quotes from the previous page of this thread

ahahah gently caress it happened again?

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Interesting word choice. What is socialist economics to you?

Workers owning the means of production

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

No, we're asking you to define it so we can actually engage with your reasons for describing D&D as leftist rather than liberal or centrist. You seem to treat the idea that D&D is generally liberal with derision, so why don't you tell us why we're wrong? This is an open invitation, you can either choose to share your logic or you can play this stupid "well you're not good enough to explain myself to" game which nobody's buying anyway.

That particular post made it clear that they didn't really care what my response was, I'm the enemy.

quote:

You're going to get mocked either way, so why not find some courage for once in your life and stand for what you believe?

I'm going to get mocked because you've already decided what the real truth is in your mind, and me posting anything that disagrees with that will be disregarded.

Like "find some courage for once in your life" holy poo poo lol what

quote:

e: oh yeah and you don't get to highroad anyone if you're just going to flat out ignore honest replies that engage you, like joepinetree's

Didn't even see that response and I'll go reply to it now but if I miss even one response I"m clearly the hated enemy or whatever.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

"d&d is leftist" makes sense when you remember that in the US the mainstream left is still aoc and the faiz shakirs of the political environment. that is their people.

and that tiktok/twitter college kid who talks like he's on speed and moves his hands all over the place

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Jaxyon posted:

I do not

is california a progressive state?

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Jaxyon posted:

A bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo

Are you even capable of debating without whining? I posit: no

Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
What is President Ice Cream, is there some new dumb Biden meme I'm not aware of?

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

They're aggressively SYQing, please direct your response to the actual op (jaxyon)




Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

joepinetree posted:

The difference between c-spam and D&D isn't one of politics or who is more left. It's of insane policing of ridiculous rules to ensure that a strictly establishment liberal view is the only one that can be taken at face value. Remember when you got probated in the immigration thread for correctly pointing out that the people defending the Banon/Miller line of "immigration ruins the welfare state" were shifting goal posts? And I got probated for pointing out that that was bullshit?

That's not what people are saying, in this thread, it's a built up forums culture beef as well as lovely culture rules. If it wasn't, you wouldn't see people referring to "the politics of D&D which people do all the time in this thread.

That's why I constantly call people out in USPOL when they declare what the thread things because they're building up an imaginary enemy so they can have a faceless thing to rage against.

I agree some of the moderation is super dumb and that particular one was a mod enforcing their opinions as if it were a rule. It was a BS probation, and I was mad about it.

quote:

That is the difference. Here, you can tell people to gently caress off and they can do the same. D&D you can point out that the Miller/Banon line on immigration is racist bullshit unsupported by anything, but as soon as the government changes you can't do the same to the polite version of the Banon/Miller argument that is suddenly acceptable there.

Like I said, I agree that some moderation is bad and tone policing.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
lol the thread title. liberalism is a walking corpse whose end should have come once the conservatives ditched the concept of monarchy but they were too uncouth and racist for a full merger of the capitalist politics parties

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Are you even capable of debating without whining? I posit: no

sweet own you really showed me

that'll teach me to post my actual opinions on things

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Judakel posted:

is california a progressive state?

you bet your rear end. it is close to the progressive ideal. in california, the progressives have supermajorities in the legislature and control the governor's office, which they use to progressively do nothing.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
what opinions. the only thing you’ve expressed here is that we’re too mean about d&d

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Jaxyon posted:

Workers owning the means of production

Ok, so which of the policies you support actually do this?

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


me entering this thread after not looking at it for 2 days: Community Troy Enters Burning Room With Pizza Meme

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

Willa Rogers posted:

paul pelosi made tens of millions by timing his stock moves with his wife.

that's just how old politicians make each other cum if they don't have a kid around

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Judakel posted:

is california a progressive state?

Compared to the US, yes, but that's a really low bar.

Otherwise? It's got a lot of problems. lovely cops, corporate Dems that are largely owned by the very rich corporations, single payer is dead despite supermajorities, nobody really tackling homelessness, the housing crisis none of that.

I'm more interested in saying that it sucks on a lot of levels and addressing those problems than saying a one sentence "is it progressive" because that's a subjective measure

Do CA dems suck, absolutely.

Do they suck as much as CA republicans? No.

But by saying that, someone decides that me saying there's different levels of suck absolutely means that I love Dems and want to marry them.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

Shipon posted:

why would anyone be mad about bad D&D posts? they make great content for the 'zone and i love reading them

There are no bad D&D posts

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Jaxyon posted:

Compared to the US, yes, but that's a really low bar.

Otherwise? It's got a lot of problems. lovely cops, corporate Dems that are largely owned by the very rich corporations, single payer is dead despite supermajorities, nobody really tackling homelessness, the housing crisis none of that.

And the slavery. Don't forget the slavery.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。






Gulping Again posted:

D&D eugenics thread




loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

bedpan posted:

from twitter

Lol you know you can source those quotes right (I'm not owned I'm not owned)

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Jaxyon posted:

Compared to the US, yes, but that's a really low bar.

Otherwise? It's got a lot of problems. lovely cops, corporate Dems that are largely owned by the very rich corporations, single payer is dead despite supermajorities, nobody really tackling homelessness, the housing crisis none of that.

I'm more interested in saying that it sucks on a lot of levels and addressing those problems than saying a one sentence "is it progressive" because that's a subjective measure

Do CA dems suck, absolutely.

Do they suck as much as CA republicans? No.

But by saying that, someone decides that me saying there's different levels of suck absolutely means that I love Dems and want to marry them.

why does it vote for things that are so conservative like against rent control

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Catpetter1981 posted:

see what i mean

lol "everyone to the right of me is a filthy liberal" yeah sure

We gotta have standards yeah, ideological groups can and should be gatekept on an ideological basis or the label just gets diluted to meaninglessness

Vaushites call themselves leftists too

Hell while we're on the subject the Nazis called themselves socialists for branding purposes and look how much harm that's still doing

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Ok, so which of the policies you support actually do this?

in my dream scenario or things that actually can get voted on in the real world?

Like I support nationalizing the banks. But how do I get there within current politics?

Judakel posted:

why does it vote for things that are so conservative like against rent control

Because a ton of people are sitting on million dollar houses and they're easy to convince that they're just landlords in waiting. The housing market here plus Prop 13 has absolutely hosed the politics up, as it was intended

like all the had to do to kill the Prop that allowed property taxes to go up on big businesses was to imply that it would lead to prop 13 being dropped

Jaxyon has issued a correction as of 01:34 on Jul 10, 2021

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

jaxyon i mean this genuinely: you are like, the least objectionable D&D regular just by virtue of actually being willing to draw a line, literally any line at all, on the bullshit you'll accept. i am not actually sure why you are here, because the primary point of this thread is making fun of people who will sink to any low to any extent over any issue on behalf of The Party

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Jun 30, 2018

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

loquacius posted:

Lol you know you can source those quotes right (I'm not owned I'm not owned)

sourcing the quotes takes some of the mystique out of it. but when someone responds even somewhat seriously, the possibility that I might get tagged for being the originator of such lib brained takes overrides the magic.

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