Auspol Pre Election: Mama Mia

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birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

Centusin posted:

Everyone here loves to refer to Sydney's spillover, keep in mind at many points in this pandemic, 50% of returned travellers in NSW hotel quarantine have been people travelling onto other states after returning internationally without anybody in NSW complaining about the Labor premiers abandoning returning Australians. Perhaps NSW quarantine would have never had any leaks at all had Labor premiers been willing to do their job and help reunite Australians with their families, without inventing imaginary evil migrant holidaymaker narratives.

Those outbreaks in Melbourne and Perth didn't involve hairdressers that worked at a salon where 900 clients were potentially exposed. The first limo driver case in this outbreak was reported on the the 16th, the problems with the Double Bay Salon began on the 15th and were unknown until the 24th, at which point restrictions immediately began to tighten. Unless NSW was supposed to lockdown before any cases were reported, the situation is not remotely comparable to the small number of cases Victoria and Perth had to deal with.

It does seem like a valid point that right now Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, South Korea, Malaysia, Fiji etc are experiencing record numbers of cases despite having handled the situation well up to now. It's almost like this is a more infectious variant that is harder to deal with, which results in more unknown spread earlier on. And NSW is still better positioned than most other places that are handling a Delta outbreak right now.

They knew about spread on the 19th/20th but sat on their hands because of laziness / hubris / not interfering with the budget. Had they taken action then lockdown would have finished by now.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 07:15

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# ? May 20, 2024 10:02

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Brisbane also just had a snap 4 day lock down that seems to have worked, and the mine sight in the NT also locked down straight away and shut down transmission.

The solution is to not gently caress around, now Sydney is finding out.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 07:20

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Now look, I hate Sydney as much as anyone.

That�s all I�ve got.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 07:33

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

they're gonna lock the borders again. hard vic.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 07:41

Tomberforce: May 30, 2006

hambeet posted:

they're gonna lock the borders again. hard vic.

Kinda surprised they haven't already tbh

# ? Jul 10, 2021 09:43

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Centusin posted:

Everyone here loves to refer to Sydney's spillover, keep in mind at many points in this pandemic, 50% of returned travellers in NSW hotel quarantine have been people travelling onto other states after returning internationally without anybody in NSW complaining about the Labor premiers abandoning returning Australians. Perhaps NSW quarantine would have never had any leaks at all had Labor premiers been willing to do their job and help reunite Australians with their families, without inventing imaginary evil migrant holidaymaker narratives.

Those outbreaks in Melbourne and Perth didn't involve hairdressers that worked at a salon where 900 clients were potentially exposed. The first limo driver case in this outbreak was reported on the the 16th, the problems with the Double Bay Salon began on the 15th and were unknown until the 24th, at which point restrictions immediately began to tighten. Unless NSW was supposed to lockdown before any cases were reported, the situation is not remotely comparable to the small number of cases Victoria and Perth had to deal with.

It does seem like a valid point that right now Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, South Korea, Malaysia, Fiji etc are experiencing record numbers of cases despite having handled the situation well up to now. It's almost like this is a more infectious variant that is harder to deal with, which results in more unknown spread earlier on. And NSW is still better positioned than most other places that are handling a Delta outbreak right now.

It's possible to believe that other states should be taking more returned travellers and also that NSW's insistence on playing chicken with COVID puts itself and the rest of the country at heightened risk, cheers

# ? Jul 10, 2021 10:38

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Tomberforce posted:

Kinda surprised they haven't already tbh

They really should have by now.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 10:44

lih: May 15, 2013; Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

idk about the other countries but i know things got worse in South Korea because they hosed up and decided to ease restrictions too much 'for the economy' when previously they'd been much stricter, and they've also struggled to get vaccine supplies too

# ? Jul 10, 2021 10:50

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

It's Laybah Covid mistah speakah.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 10:59

Animal Friend: Sep 7, 2011

hooman posted:

It's Laybah Covid mistah speakah.

ARREST DAN ANDREWS

# ? Jul 10, 2021 11:07

spaceblancmange: Apr 19, 2018; #essereFerrari

Scott Morrison has been compromised to a permanent end.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 12:09

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

spaceblancmange posted:

Scott Morrison has been compromised to a permanent end.

Surely this will be what tanks his leadership

# ? Jul 10, 2021 12:11

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

ALP tragics sure are obsessed with scumos appearance

# ? Jul 10, 2021 12:16

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

bowmore posted:

ALP tragics sure are obsessed with scumos appearance

Well none of the scandals, corruption or negligence being exposed has done anything.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 12:25

Animal Friend: Sep 7, 2011

spaceblancmange posted:

Scott Morrison has been compromised to a permanent end.

last time i brought this up as a joke it caused like a full page derail, you absolute madman

bowmore posted:

ALP tragics sure are obsessed with scumos appearance

lol

# ? Jul 10, 2021 12:35

Animal Friend: Sep 7, 2011

imagine going back like 5 years and telling somebody that by the middle of 2021 Queensland won't be the worst state.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 12:40

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

bowmore posted:

ALP tragics sure are obsessed with scumos appearance

Reverse sexism imo

# ? Jul 10, 2021 13:07

1000 Sweaty Rikers: Oct 13, 2005

Animal Friend posted:

imagine going back like 5 years and telling somebody that by the middle of 2021 Queensland won't be the worst state.

lol!

e: what a world we live in

# ? Jul 10, 2021 13:16

TheLastRoboKy: May 2, 2009; Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

QLD still has to take responsibility for Clive Palmer so they shouldn't get too cocky here.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 15:08

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

77 today and �I will be shocked if it�s not 100+ tomorrow�
:chanpop:

Lots of commentary on the cost of lockdown, not much commentary on the enormous economic benefits if we just let the entire population of NSW die. Would put serious upward pressure on wage growth, downward pressure on house prices, and many estates would have no surviving benefactors so would be a real boon for the balance sheets of QLD, SA, VIC and ACT after figuring out partition of territories.

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jul 11, 2021

# ? Jul 11, 2021 02:02

Capt.Whorebags: Jan 10, 2005

So, hard border closures with QLD and Vic when?

# ? Jul 11, 2021 02:06

Budzilla: Oct 14, 2007; We can all learn from our past mistakes.

TheLastRoboKy posted:

QLD still has to take responsibility for Clive Palmer so they shouldn't get too cocky here.

Don't forget One Nation.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 02:15

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Solemn Sloth posted:

77 today and �I will be shocked if it�s not 100+ tomorrow�

Lots of commentary on the cost of lockdown, not much commentary on the enormous economic benefits if we just let the entire population of NSW die. Would put serious upward pressure on wage growth, downward pressure on house prices, and many estates would have no surviving benefactors so would be a real boon for the balance sheets of QLD, SA, VIC and ACT after figuring out partition of territories.

Amazing how they seem totally unfamiliar with the concept that an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 03:00

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

hooman posted:

Amazing how they seem totally unfamiliar with the concept that an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

Unfortunately we�re a few centuries late to prevent NSW, so we�ve got to make do

# ? Jul 11, 2021 03:07

CAT INTERCEPTOR: Nov 9, 2004; Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Capt.Whorebags posted:

So, hard border closures with QLD and Vic when?

I'm not sure why it hasnt happened already

# ? Jul 11, 2021 03:13

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

I'm not sure why it hasnt happened already

Dan has gone as soft as his vertebrae

# ? Jul 11, 2021 03:22

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

I am annoyed that Victoria's border isn't closed yet but genuinely surprised Queensland's isn't, what's the go there?

# ? Jul 11, 2021 03:28

TammyHEH: Dec 11, 2013; Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Mr weimar has been hinting very heavily its happening very soon and that the rats should flee south.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 04:02

Gentleman Baller: Oct 13, 2013

freebooter posted:

I am annoyed that Victoria's border isn't closed yet but genuinely surprised Queensland's isn't, what's the go there?

I asked them to keep it open a little bit longer while my parents sell their house for 20% above what they were trying for last year. Sorry, won't be much longer.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 04:31

Wizard Master: Mar 25, 2008

Absolutely vile from Sky News
https://twitter.com/MrKRudd/status/1413651719997714433

# ? Jul 11, 2021 04:31

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

If Bolt/Jones/Credlin want their lung turns to liquid as they drown on dry land, that's their choice but they shouldn't drag everyone else into it

# ? Jul 11, 2021 05:10

Capt.Whorebags: Jan 10, 2005

Wizard Master posted:

Absolutely vile from Sky News
https://twitter.com/MrKRudd/status/1413651719997714433

Terrorist attacks kill fraction of a fraction of population: surrender liberties! More war! With us or against us!

Global pandemic: muh freedoms! Blood for the economy god!

# ? Jul 11, 2021 06:14

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

Wizard Master posted:

Absolutely vile from Sky News
https://twitter.com/MrKRudd/status/1413651719997714433

The comments from Bolt and the other pathetic shock jocks will age like loving milk in the sun if this turns into (more of) a colossal clusterfuck in NSW.

It's insane VIC/QLD don't have their borders shut to NSW yet.

Capt.Whorebags posted:

Terrorist attacks kill fraction of a fraction of population: surrender liberties! More war! With us or against us!

Global pandemic: muh freedoms! Blood for the economy god!

They can make money off war so it's OK /s. A pandemic? Not so much.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 06:15

Capt.Whorebags: Jan 10, 2005

Cpt Soban posted:

They can make money off war so it's OK /s. A pandemic? Not so much.

This, and naked politics. Howard wanted Khaki Elections, hence East Timor (LOL sorry about ur offshore gas fields!) and the Global War on Terror (let�s check in with how Iraq and Afghanistan are going).

Abbot told the party room under Turnbull that he would oppose any climate agreement because he wanted the issue alive to wedge Labor at the election.

Luckily for the coalition we have short memories and some kind of masochism disorder.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 06:38

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

kirbysuperstar posted:

If Bolt/Jones/Credlin want their lung turns to liquid as they drown on dry land, that's their choice but they shouldn't drag everyone else into it

they've been vaxxed though. they don't care about those who haven't.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 07:21

Helith: Nov 5, 2009; Basket of Adorables

https://twitter.com/JoshButler/status/1414090146673135617

book your vaccination and maybe you'll get one eventually

# ? Jul 11, 2021 07:26

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Paul Murray lost his son but he should have lost some weight.

# ? Jul 11, 2021 07:43

Periphery: Jul 27, 2003; ...

quote:

Victoria's Acting Chief Health Officer announced all of New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory would become a red zone under the state's travel permit system at 11:59 tonight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-11/victoria-to-close-border-to-nsw-as-covid-outbreak-worsens/100285020

# ? Jul 11, 2021 08:15

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Should have happened at least a week ago

# ? Jul 11, 2021 08:16

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freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Comments and Twitter full of people squealing that YOU DIDN'T WARN ANYONE IN THE ACT

# ? Jul 11, 2021 08:21

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