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FirstAidKite posted:I only just now found out about the game The Skeletons and now I'm thinking about how much it'd slap to have a World of Darkness attempt at it. Skeletal the Ossified or Skeletal the Gaunt or Skeletal the Ostracized or something. Isn't that basically Steve Lichman?
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Storypath combat question: Can anyone look over this primer I wrote for my players to make sure I have stuff right. I'm most concerned with the defense rating. Everyone has a base defense of 1, but when attacked can roll a resistance attribute and use those successes to buy stunts, the most basic of which just makes it harder to hit you. So if a character rolled 2 successes on defense and spent them both on defense, it would mean the attacker would need 3 successes before they could start buying stunts. https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AP7qFFKlErTyCb8&cid=7FD44E0E332F5508&id=7FD44E0E332F5508%212087&parId=root&o=OneUp
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Does anybody here own most of Hunter: the Reckoning? I'm trying to get confirmation that The Walking Dead and the Avenger and Defender books are slightly darker because they're just Like That and not because of sun damage on the two copies I know about. Does anybody have a data point to add to this?
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Jul 7, 2021 06:14
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That sounds right but I have not looked at my physical copies in ages. Sun damage would probably make them lighter in any case.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:08
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Rand Brittain posted:Does anybody here own most of Hunter: the Reckoning? Off the top of my head, I remember Defender looking darker and/or having a terrible choice of font for sure [Edit: Oh god I did a mental tally and the only lines I own all of are Hunter and Kindred of the East] AmiYumi fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Jul 8, 2021 04:46
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AmiYumi posted:I can grab mine and take some comparison shots, gimme some page #s or something and a good control It's the orange on the covers I had in mind.
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Jul 8, 2021 05:05
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Rand Brittain posted:It's the orange on the covers I had in mind. 
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Jul 8, 2021 20:26
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Eesh, the misalignment of the White Wolf credit and WW book number, and the inconsistency as to whether it's HUNTER Book:Thing, HUNTER Book: Thing, HUNTER-BOOK: THING, or HUNTERBOOK: THING Plus the choice of font making it look like a shelf full of HUNYER books
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Jul 9, 2021 03:19
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I've been working on collecting full sets of all the lines I like best, and now that I'm nearly done I'm having to face the question of whether I actually want to work on the much larger full sets of Vampire and Werewolf. Wraith wins the "none of these dang books are the same size as any other book" award by far.
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I Am Just a Box posted:Eesh, the misalignment of the White Wolf credit and WW book number, and the inconsistency as to whether it's HUNTER Book:Thing, HUNTER Book: Thing, HUNTER-BOOK: THING, or HUNTERBOOK: THING  I Am Just a Box posted:Plus the choice of font making it look like a shelf full of HUNYER books Rand Brittain posted:Wraith wins the "none of these dang books are the same size as any other book" award by far. AmiYumi fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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Rand Brittain posted:I've been working on collecting full sets of all the lines I like best, and now that I'm nearly done I'm having to face the question of whether I actually want to work on the much larger full sets of Vampire and Werewolf. You do not.
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Jul 9, 2021 04:43
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AmiYumi posted:Bad as that is, it doesn’t even chart for the publisher that gave us the Changeling: The Dreaming spine art clusterfuck. 1e VTM has some amazing cover art. I'm not sure which I love more, my storyteller guide with the crying vampire and burning motorcycle on the cover or my players handbook with Nancy from Nightmare on Elm Street with big 80's hair and fangs. I might have mixed up which cover is which book but those are high on my list of "WTF?!" WW art. That and the Mage 1e screen which is so loving  it hurts.
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Jul 9, 2021 04:49
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Loomer posted:You do not. OUR LORD HATH SPOKEN
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Hey Loomer, did the idea of a previous Bloodline of Ahrimanes exist before Dark Ages V20?
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MonsieurChoc posted:Hey Loomer, did the idea of a previous Bloodline of Ahrimanes exist before Dark Ages V20? Not as I recall, no - if it did, it was as the faintest kind of mention, and I don't think there's even that (and can't be bothered to check). It's one of the more interesting changes in V20 material, in part because it pissed off the chuds. That being said, I do faintly recall a fan theory linking the Ahrimanes to the Lhiannan, so the idea of there being some kind of earlier form was definitely around. Yaryan was floating around too, to complicate things.
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Loomer posted:Not as I recall, no - if it did, it was as the faintest kind of mention, and I don't think there's even that (and can't be bothered to check). It's one of the more interesting changes in V20 material, in part because it pissed off the chuds. That being said, I do faintly recall a fan theory linking the Ahrimanes to the Lhiannan, so the idea of there being some kind of earlier form was definitely around. Yaryan was floating around too, to complicate things. Nah, there really wasn't anything of the Ahrimanes in the old days about them being around in the... well, old days. They've always been a weird little niche bloodline about whom not much was ever written and Revised did the "they all left or something i dunno." What's their V20 shtick?
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Dawgstar posted:Nah, there really wasn't anything of the Ahrimanes in the old days about them being around in the... well, old days. They've always been a weird little niche bloodline about whom not much was ever written and Revised did the "they all left or something i dunno." Regular V20, nothing special. DA:V20, Viking Women Who Demand Justice and Refuse Hierarchy. Trans-inclusive ones, which is what got the chuds into a frenzy to my enormous amusement.
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Loomer posted:Regular V20, nothing special. DA:V20, Viking Women Who Demand Justice and Refuse Hierarchy. Trans-inclusive ones, which is what got the chuds into a frenzy to my enormous amusement. That's some serious 
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Yeah, the old-school Ahrimanes own, unlike the modern Sabbat Ahrimanes who are just kind of there.
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So I've decided to take on the dumb project of reading and reviewing old WoD books for shits and giggles. I'm trying to focus on the games I'm less familar with (basically everything other than Masquerade) to start, but I'm not sure if the "A World of Darkness" books (technically VtM books) would be a good place to start this dumb project or if I should just grab a 1e core book of something and start there. The plan is to turn the reviews into deep dive podcast reviews of the books so I'm thinking that those might be a solid introduction to the setting and then jumping into 1e core books from there.
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Sicko mode is obviously going by spine numbers starting from the lowest. Hyper-sicko mode is going chronologically by release date regardless of line (this feels Loomer-adjacent, so, be careful about the forces you invoke here).
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Sicko mode is obviously going by spine numbers starting from the lowest. Hyper-sicko mode is going chronologically by release date regardless of line (this feels Loomer-adjacent, so, be careful about the forces you invoke here). Oh lord no I'm definitely not doing print order. Mostly because Masquerade was the first out and as I said, I'm more familiar with that than the other oWoD lines. I'm tempted to wait for my Ascension 1e book to arrive and start there because all I know about that game is that is a mess of a line. I'll also be jumping around to various books/lines as I go because there are definitely some stinkers I want to subject myself at some point. Like "Gypsies" 
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Some of the "general" books seem like they would be great starting points, just because they contain material of interest to fans of multiple lines, and they can get pretty wild, but also they're relatively short so it can't turn into too much of a slog.
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I try to think about the most racist thing the WoD has ever put out, and it's real hard to narrow down, but it's probably Gypsies. You don't even get out of the loving introduction before it literally gives a "They're no angels" statement about the Roma in the real world and how some of them would be totally willing to oppress people if they had the chance. Like Jesus Christ guy, give it a minute to breathe before we go all in. We aren't even at Chapter One yet! The worst part is probably the fact the myth they came up with has nothing to do with the Roma, so they actively had to swerve this bus 6 lanes to throw the Roma under it. They really worked to build this narrative of racism together, because it certainly doesn't naturally. It's not like the casual entitled racism of "This is the Irish tribe and they are boisterous and party a lot and have ties to the fae!". This just feels....different somehow. e: Also their power stat instinctively makes people racist. I remember that too, because...yeah. Mulva fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 10, 2021 |
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Mulva posted:I try to think about the most racist thing the WoD has ever put out, and it's real hard to narrow down, but it's probably Gypsies. You don't even get out of the loving introduction before it literally gives a "They're no angels" statement about the Roma in the real world and how some of them would be totally willing to oppress people if they had the chance. Like Jesus Christ guy, give it a minute to breathe before we go all in. We aren't even at Chapter One yet! I agree that Gypsies is likely the single most racist book WW released, the lead art for Hong Kong in the 1e WoD source book is......really bad. https://m.imgur.com/a/msNATCZ I mean just look at this poo poo. That Old Tree posted:Some of the "general" books seem like they would be great starting points, just because they contain material of interest to fans of multiple lines, and they can get pretty wild, but also they're relatively short so it can't turn into too much of a slog. Yup that's what I've settled on, starting with the 1st and 2nd edition "A World of Darkness" books. Other than the horribly racist photo above, 1st ed isn't awful, the opening 40 odd pages are all about the UK and it's fine if a bit dry history lesson for a role playing book. Also I haven't actually touched on anything supernatural for the UK in what I've read yet, it's been nothing but history and some topography notes which....thanks white wolf? They literally point out that you should go read a travel guide or actual history book about the UK and then spend several pages summarizing that information because page count I assume. joylessdivision fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jul 10, 2021 |
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joylessdivision posted:I agree that Gypsies is likely the single most racist book WW released, the lead art for Hong Kong in the 1e WoD source book is......really bad. https://m.imgur.com/a/msNATCZ I mean just look at this poo poo. joylessdivision posted:Yup that's what I've settled on, starting with the 1st and 2nd edition "A World of Darkness" books. Other than the horribly racist photo above, 1st ed isn't awful, the opening 40 odd pages are all about the UK and it's fine if a bit dry history lesson for a role playing book. Also I haven't actually touched on anything supernatural for the UK in what I've read yet, it's been nothing but history and some topography notes which....thanks white wolf? They literally point out that you should go read a travel guide or actual history book about the UK and then spend several pages summarizing that information because page count I assume.
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AmiYumi posted:If we’re talking art, a lot of the KotE art is hella racist. The core book is so rife with it that Asians Represent started a readthrough, spent the entire first episode on the introduction, and haven’t done a second one. Oh god I have the KOTE corebook. It's definitely on the list for review because  I'm a bit farther into 1e now, and most of the UK stuff is kinda eh, even when the Vampires get tossed in. Turns out the loving Tremere are probably behind most bad things that happened in the UK which is hilarious. Also there is a Nosferatu in Paris, named Erik. Can you guess where he lives? He's so far my favorite thing in this book  Also lol all the European Kindred apparently hate the Giovanni. Less lol was a mention of the Ravnos and how they're theives, and also any time the Assasamites have been mentioned it's had some gross "Eeew, Muslims" vibes. Also apparently the Assasamites did a terrorism in 85 in Vienna, which Google tells me was a real thing that actually happened.  White Wolf!
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My guess is the Rue d’Auseil for Erik.
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You know, I'm kinda surprised they didn't just pull on the plot thread from Time of Judgement of more people getting second sight like a hunter and being able to identify monsters for what led to the 2nd Inquisotion. It would tie in to the whole end of the world petering out thing. More people than ever can see the monsters on the world, but the messengers pulled out so there aren't really imbued anymore to do anything. Like, obviously don't outright say it, but imply it. Feels like that could have been a better way to handle it. This of course also leads into into a new edition of Hunter later on when the messengers notice the world kind of DIDN'T end.
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Arivia posted:My guess is the Rue d’Auseil for Erik. Same. AmiYumi posted:If we’re talking art, a lot of the KotE art is hella racist. The core book is so rife with it that Asians Represent started a readthrough, spent the entire first episode on the introduction, and haven’t done a second one. Sounds "interesting", can I have a link?
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Arivia posted:My guess is the Rue d’Auseil for Erik. It's the Paris Opera house. He's a Nosferatu. Named Erik. Under the Paris Opera he's the actual Phantom of the Opera with a line about the local Toredor community admitting he does have a lovely singing voice
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It's stuff like that that makes the oWoD continue to have its hook for me. There's a lot that's dumb or hella hosed in the racism/sexism/transphobia scale, but in the mix are these nuggets of goofy gold like 'the phantom of the opera is real and cool and my friend' and 'GURPS is a tool of the weaver'.
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joylessdivision posted:It's the Paris Opera house. Honestly that’s even better than a Lovecraft reference.
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I've been running a D&D game for a group of young adults (18-25ish) with depression/anxiety/whatever, set up by their group therapist to help them socialize. A few of them dropped out, and now we're down to three, and they've asked me to run Vampire. I'm going to do Requiem 2e. I'm pretty familiar with it but I haven't really run it before. What are some good resources for setting up a chronicle? Are there any published adventures that are good for new players and also, well, good? Also, I'm planning to start them as mortals and have them embraced in the first session. I'm having a little trouble thinking of reasons three people would be turned at once, probably by three different clans. I'm thinking someone looking to turn them loose to make trouble and misdirect attention away from something else. Does the thread have any other ideas?
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joylessdivision posted:Oh god I have the KOTE corebook. It's definitely on the list for review because I wonder where Swedish Dracula got his ideas anyway... 
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An existing coiterie that hosed up big time and needs to throw suspicion off their trail and a group of 3 fresh neonates are exactly the right kind of stupid to kill a priest and leave his body to be found messily in a subway station.
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It’s very rote but my favorite oWoD lore is still that Dracula is real, he’s a rogue tzimisce who forcibly got himself embraced for kicks, and the novel Dracula was part of his ongoing centuries-long campaign to troll the the greater vampire community for, as far as anyone can tell, no reason whatsoever
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:It’s very rote but my favorite oWoD lore is still that Dracula is real, he’s a rogue tzimisce who forcibly got himself embraced for kicks, and the novel Dracula was part of his ongoing centuries-long campaign to troll the the greater vampire community for, as far as anyone can tell, no reason whatsoever Hey he's got nothing better to do so why not? Seems like trolling the Jyhad is a much better use of one's time.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:You know he absolutely wears the cape and tux and plays up the accent on purpose whenever other kindred are around, too. There's also a Malkavian in LA who believes he's Dracula (he may or may not be Lugosi) and he's right behind Erik up there as "Best side character in WoD"
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