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Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Id gently caress Ruby Rhod

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sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Henchman of Santa posted:

On Friday Night Lights like half the residents of Dillon are pedophiles, probably because the local teenagers are all played by hot 26-year-olds. The worst plot related to this is when Tim dates the 30-year-old single mom next door, who is at least aware that she's committing a crime and tries to keep it secret. Then she leaves him for his adult brother. Nothing weird about that!

There is also a short arc about the young handsome English teacher taking Julie on as his favorite student. He never actually makes a move but Tami basically calls him a pedo in front of the whole school. Of course her daughter already dated a guy of ambiguous age who had a rock band an apartment, and would later sleep with her married TA in college. Most Julie arcs are pretty bad.

Saracen deserved better.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

Offler posted:

Sorry if this has been posted before, but the thread is very long.

Anyway, this is a fascinating video about a phenomenon in movies/tv that the maker of the video calls "born sexy yesterday". It's where through some contrivance the hero of the story, usually a very average dude, comes into contact with a sexy woman who has had no contact with the regular world. It can be through some sci-fi or fantasy means where the character is quite literally born sexy yesterday or transported from another time or realm. Or the woman can be a female Mowgli who grew up without humans. The end result is always that the very average dude gets to both appear very wise to the woman as he teaches her how to live in the regular world, and he of course gets a romance with a sexy, virginal woman who would be way out of his league if she wasn't so "pure" and naive.

The woman is often written like a child in a grown woman's body with no understanding of how sexuality works, but the "hero" of the story will of course be there to teach her about that as well. It's something that just becomes more and more gross the more you think about it. Even if you're aware of a few movies/tv shows like this, the video becomes fascinating in a gross way when you see just how often some writer has come up with a new contrivance to deliver a sexy, innocent, naive woman to the dude in a story, and how recent a few of the examples are. Oh, and there's of course the section of the video where the author just skips anime entirely since there are apparently so many examples of this trope there that just listing them would fill the rest of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thpEyEwi80

is Commander Data an example of Born Sexy Yesterday

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

is Commander Data an example of Born Sexy Yesterday

Not really, he isn't childlike and has an understanding of how sexuality works it's just very text book and clinical.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

is Commander Data an example of Born Sexy Yesterday

Captain Picard wouldn’t gently caress Data unless he was certain there was no power imbalance between them.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Captain Picard wouldn’t gently caress Data unless he was certain there was no power imbalance between them.
Let's just say that Data was lucky not to serve under Kirk.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




episode 2 was the "lol everyone's drunk" one, right? Tasha Yar sleeps with Data and at the end of the episode says to him "it never happened"

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Aces High posted:

episode 2 was the "lol everyone's drunk" one, right? Tasha Yar sleeps with Data and at the end of the episode says to him "it never happened"

yeah except there's off and on comments about it in other episodes so everyone knows data fucks

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Captain Picard wouldn’t gently caress Data unless he was certain there was no power imbalance between them.

I have bad news about respecting heirarchy in Star Trek

They don’t

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Data is also an android who, if he decides to, punch a hole to the ship's hull and take a direct hit from a phaser without giving a gently caress, also take control of the ship at any point if he chooses to do so.

He also knows everything about humans and being a human, but simply wants to experience the full spectrum and learn emotions by nature. This is also why he was the more successful one because unlike Lore, he wasn't given the emotion chip so that he would not become a supervillain the moment he understands his superiority against everything biological.

And yes, Data fucks. He knows several moves. Maybe not as many as Riker or Kirk but still.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Everyone knows the Beardless Riker episodes never actually happened

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Der Kyhe posted:


And yes, Data fucks. He knows several moves. Maybe not as many as Riker or Kirk but still.
Okay but thing is being willing to take direction is much more important to doing a good sex hump and I think Data wouldn't really object

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

There was also that episode where a woman on the ship was so frustrated by a series of selfish and careless lovers that she thought that a passionless robot who just did whatever she asked for was a huge step up.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

sassassin posted:

Saracen deserved better.

Look at this motherfucker trying to relitigate The Crusades.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.

Gort posted:

Everyone knows the Beardless Riker episodes never actually happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsSRVo8LZF8

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

That Italian Guy posted:

Self quoting from a few posts above :v:

If anything Born Sexy Yesterday and Actually a 1000 Year Old Demon are basically opposites of each other. One is a character with an adult body and the mind of a child, the other is a character with the body of a child and the mind of a 1000 Year etc. The latter doesn't really have the same power imbalance thing, or if it does it's in the opposite direction. Both still super creepy, though.

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Oct 30, 2009

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It’s established that Data has already been through starfleet academy and has already existed like 25 years when TNG happens and he’s still asking things like “what’s a joke” and “why do people get sad” are we supposed to believe that at no point during any of that time he didn’t either have these concepts explained or studied about them or learned anything

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

There was also that episode where a woman on the ship was so frustrated by a series of selfish and careless lovers that she thought that a passionless robot who just did whatever she asked for was a huge step up.

She came from a planet where they had roving rape gangs. Her experience with men was a little more than careless lovers.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

The Moon Monster posted:

If anything Born Sexy Yesterday and Actually a 1000 Year Old Demon are basically opposites of each other. One is a character with an adult body and the mind of a child, the other is a character with the body of a child and the mind of a 1000 Year etc. The latter doesn't really have the same power imbalance thing, or if it does it's in the opposite direction. Both still super creepy, though.

Like other people have mentioned, Born Sexy Yesterday is a power fantasy.

The 1000 year old Dragon is just a lovely excuse to draw Loli porn, because "See!? She's technically not a child, so it's legal!"
All excuses to draw Loli porn are lovely. Don't draw Loli porn.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

the_steve posted:

Like other people have mentioned, Born Sexy Yesterday is a power fantasy.

The 1000 year old Dragon is just a lovely excuse to draw Loli porn, because "See!? She's technically not a child, so it's legal!"
All excuses to draw Loli porn are lovely. Don't draw Loli porn.

They are both very hosed up but one is considered mainstream in Hollywood.

I can't imagine why the place infamous for the casting couch has this attitude though.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Also Dan Ackroyd is the funnier example of it.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

oldpainless posted:

It’s established that Data has already been through starfleet academy and has already existed like 25 years when TNG happens and he’s still asking things like “what’s a joke” and “why do people get sad” are we supposed to believe that at no point during any of that time he didn’t either have these concepts explained or studied about them or learned anything

Apparently he was sitting in a room pushing papers and doing other bureaucratic busywork, without any other human interactions.

Spek
Jun 15, 2012

Bagel!
I just assume he finds it funny to constantly ask the same questions of people. But then I've only seen like 2 episodes of TNG all the way through and they were terrible so idk.

Zaroff
Nov 10, 2009

Nothing in the world can stop me now!

BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

She came from a planet where they had roving rape gangs. Her experience with men was a little more than careless lovers.

No - they’re talking about the woman Data dated in ‘In Theory’.

Who might have slept around the ship - it’s been a long time since I saw that one.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

the_steve posted:

Like other people have mentioned, Born Sexy Yesterday is a power fantasy.

The 1000 year old Dragon is just a lovely excuse to draw Loli porn, because "See!? She's technically not a child, so it's legal!"
All excuses to draw Loli porn are lovely. Don't draw Loli porn.

Didn't really need this explained but thanks all the same!

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Inspector Gesicht posted:

One day I will write the worst book ever written. It's about a writer struggling with writer's block, who is also a college professor who is contemplating adultery with a female student half his age. There's also a parallel story about post-war Vienna for some reason.

We should team up after I finish writing the scripts I'm working on, one is about an angel observing an old man wistful for his lost youth and his grandson desperate to grow up. They share a birthday so when they both make their wish at the same time nothing happens because wishes aren't real and neither are angels .

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Zaroff posted:

No - they’re talking about the woman Data dated in ‘In Theory’.

Who might have slept around the ship - it’s been a long time since I saw that one.

Oh yeah. He was very sensitive, attentive and intuitive. Still can't use contractions though. That always stuck in my craw.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013
Data believes he can't use contractions, so he doesn't. Just like how he denies his own emotions despite clearly experiencing them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Henchman of Santa posted:

On Friday Night Lights like half the residents of Dillon are pedophiles, probably because the local teenagers are all played by hot 26-year-olds. The worst plot related to this is when Tim dates the 30-year-old single mom next door, who is at least aware that she's committing a crime and tries to keep it secret. Then she leaves him for his adult brother. Nothing weird about that!

There is also a short arc about the young handsome English teacher taking Julie on as his favorite student. He never actually makes a move but Tami basically calls him a pedo in front of the whole school. Of course her daughter already dated a guy of ambiguous age who had a rock band an apartment, and would later sleep with her married TA in college. Most Julie arcs are pretty bad.

Pretty sure this is just small towns portrayed accurately.

All those country music songs about pretty girls are talking about teenagers.

Bony-Eared Assfish
Oct 4, 2018

That Italian Guy posted:

Let's just say that Data was lucky not to serve under Kirk.

It's funny because Picard is the captain who likes sleeping with junior crewmembers, not Kirk.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

oldpainless posted:

It’s established that Data has already been through starfleet academy and has already existed like 25 years when TNG happens and he’s still asking things like “what’s a joke” and “why do people get sad” are we supposed to believe that at no point during any of that time he didn’t either have these concepts explained or studied about them or learned anything

I mean, we are still asking ourselves questions like "why do people get sad", so it makes sense that he would never stop asking that, especially in a setting as multicultural as the one in ST. He wants multiple data points. (I know it's just because of serialisation, but I guess a good chunk of psychology is about answering the question "why we get sad" so it's a good question for an android to keep asking).

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

That Italian Guy posted:

He wants multiple data points.

HEYYYYYOOOOO!!!

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Data's time at Star Fleet Academy was spent switched off in a cupboard. Then on exam day someone popped in an SD card containing 'star_fleet_rules.txt'.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
The episode in season 2 where a Starfleet scientist wants to study Data and claim that he's legally Starfleet property rather than a sentient being was really weird. Ok, there's maybe an argument to be had regarding Data's status, but shouldn't that have been had before he spent several years as a Starfleet officer? And then the episode where Data builds a daughter and she malfunctions and dies when the same scientist tries to claim her seems like it would have been covered by the same legal precedent, ie "We argued this in court already and you lost, dickhead." I think they should have discovered Data in the pilot episode, had him serving in the same sort of trainee crew member role Wesley Crusher was in most of the time, THEN have the episode debating Data's status.

Rascar Capac
Aug 31, 2016

Surprisingly nice, for an evil Inca mummy.
Friend, do you think that a person living their life as normal for years and then having questions raised about their legal status is unrealistic?

Whatev
Jan 19, 2007

unfading

oldpainless posted:

The thing to remember about Fifth Element was that even if all the pedophilic under(age)tones were removed it would still be a lovely movie
The Fifth Element is a certified sci-fi classic which is why it caught me off guard when I finally watched it. Being generous, it's extremely campy and silly and has some fun ideas and costumes. Being less generous, it has an atrocious script and sucks poo poo

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
World needs more campiness and silliness.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Fish of hemp posted:

World needs more campiness and silliness.

I agree entirely.

I will also add to this the point that, to my way of thinking, "Grimdark"(tm) is sillier and camper that actual "camp".

Insomuch as it is overly performative and pantomime and dramatic. And those that take it seriously are hilarious and great to make fun of.

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

Sweevo posted:

Data's time at Star Fleet Academy was spent switched off in a cupboard. Then on exam day someone popped in an SD card containing 'star_fleet_rules.txt'.

I’m enough of a nerd to wonder if somebody has done Data taking the Kobayashi Mary test, though I suspect he’d either be a boring “can’t save them, staying outside the Neutral Zone” type or he’d do some sort of super fast calculating android thing that crashed the sim computers.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

MadDogMike posted:

I’m enough of a nerd to wonder if somebody has done Data taking the Kobayashi Mary test, though I suspect he’d either be a boring “can’t save them, staying outside the Neutral Zone” type or he’d do some sort of super fast calculating android thing that crashed the sim computers.

It's canon in The Next Generation that they reenact it every time on a set with staff playing the parts of the crew, as seen in that episode where Wesley makes friends with the blue guy who needs to breathe from a tiny smoke machine.

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