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If you want something that's more like a home game, there are plenty of AP podcasts which are just home games recorded and lightly edited. Apparently a lot of people don't like the ones with table talk and rules confusion but they're my favourite.
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potatocubed posted:If you want something that's more like a home game, there are plenty of AP podcasts which are just home games recorded and lightly edited. Apparently a lot of people don't like the ones with table talk and rules confusion but they're my favourite. 100% agreed, just give me the actual audio from the table. “Polished production” too often comes off as disingenuous, and it does new players a disservice: discussing the rules and talking out of character about the situation and the characters is core to the hobby. Also, those games tend to be played for laughs less, which I find absolutely intolerable. If you were good enough at comedy to be worth listening to, you wouldn’t be doing a tabletop RPG show, stop trying to make funny happen.
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Jul 10, 2021 19:37
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I've heard Critical Role called the commercial porn of tabletop gaming before and it seems pretty apt.
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Jul 10, 2021 20:45
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Colonel Cool posted:I've heard Critical Role called the commercial porn of tabletop gaming before and it seems pretty apt. My god, that is dead on.
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Jul 10, 2021 21:26
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I’m going to say that’s pretty prejudicial. The legitimate meaning would not be lost if you’d called it, I don’t know, the difference between watching football and watching a football movie, but calling it pornography makes it come off as (unjustly) disreputable and demeaning to the people involved which I don’t really think is the case. Also you can watch it in public without getting arrested.
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As apt as the metaphor is, the better comparison would be Pro Wrestling to like, regional MMA.
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Jul 10, 2021 21:45
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Zurui posted:As apt as the metaphor is, the better comparison would be Pro Wrestling to like, regional MMA. Colonel Cool posted:I've heard Critical Role called the commercial porn of tabletop gaming before and it seems pretty apt. Man, some of you have weird loving ideas about CR. They're still actually playing D&D, they're just trained theater nerds.
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Jul 10, 2021 21:54
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Megazver posted:Man, some of you have weird loving ideas about CR. They're still actually playing D&D, they're just trained theater nerds. i think the implication is that it spoils you for regular D&D because you expect, uh heaving comedy and gigantic, personalities.
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Jul 10, 2021 22:03
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LatwPIAT posted:Also you can watch it in public without getting arrested. Varies by state.
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Jul 10, 2021 22:07
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Megazver posted:They're still actually playing D&D It's pretty substantially scripted in advance
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Jul 10, 2021 22:09
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sebmojo posted:i think the implication is that it spoils you for regular D&D because you expect, uh heaving comedy and gigantic, personalities. People allegedly getting spoiled by CR is a separate issue. They call it 'the Mercer Effect', you can a thousand threads about it online. It's mostly bullshit, IMO. I've played with literally hundreds of randos online and never had it come up.
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Jul 10, 2021 22:12
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Megazver posted:Man, some of you have weird loving ideas about CR. They're still actually playing D&D, they're just trained theater nerds.
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fool of sound posted:It's pretty substantially scripted in advance Well, they claim it's not. Do you have any evidence on the contrary? I'm not a super-huge CR fan myself and I've only watched a couple dozen episodes, but nothing I've watched required following a script by the players. The DM is just a trained improviser whose full-time job is prepping for this game. Megazver fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 10, 2021 |
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Jul 10, 2021 22:13
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I'm not a fan, but I understand that they've been pretty open that it's rehearsed.
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moths posted:I'm not a fan, but I understand that they've been pretty open that it's rehearsed. Well, I googled it I guess: https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1120033252322840576 https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1223001910912811008 https://www.reddit.com/r/criticalrole/comments/la176v/no_spoilers_is_the_show_scripted/ Do you have any sources where they claim otherwise? The only one I've seen is, well, the RPGPundit. Like, it's a lot easier to just play the drat game as opposed to performing a three hour script every week.
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When we debate whether the show is "scripted" are we asking if the story beats are planned ahead of time, or if they actually memorize lines?
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Jul 10, 2021 22:44
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mellonbread posted:When we debate whether the show is "scripted" are we asking if the story beats are planned ahead of time, or if they actually memorize lines? I dunno. I'm guessing people think they discuss, like, "oh I'll do this, then you'll do this, then this will happen", because memorizing actual lines would be insane. But I'm sure the DM has a whole bunch of potential scenes prepared for every session. That's kind of what prep is. Like, is a game where someone is running a published Call of Cthulhu adventure 'scripted'? Because I suspect that's way more on rails than any CR episode.
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I do a fair bit of live music for improv, and good improvisers routinely come up with elaborate scenes that are indistinguishable from a scripted play. I can imagine a bit of " there could be a cool scene in a tavern basement, with the thing, and the guy??" "Yeah that will be fun," but its nuts how good improv can be.
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What's the Runequest "Winter Phase" like? Is it just dealing with experience checks, or is there something similar to Pendragons estate management homework?
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Hey! So I've actually never played a role-playing game but I've been plenty interested in them for ages now. I've done some of the video game equivalents, Baldur's Gate and similar games, but I think it'd be nice to play with people, either by post, or even fancier means (I guess Discord?) Your best bet would be to join a roleplaying game Discord and see if anyone has some space in one of their games to introduce you to the concepts. People in those Discords will also usually be happy to answer questions about how X, Y and Z work. This is one that I'm in that's pretty friendly and has people running games: https://discord.gg/e4tsAJ8X 100YrsofAttitude posted:Being a huge Tolkien geek, fantasy/high fantasy would be a fine place to start with, so D&D's fine. If you're a big Tolkien fan, you want to look out for The One Ring, which is a game explicitly designed to enforce Middle-Earth-appropriate actions through its mechanics, with rules for pipe-smoking and riddle-making. It's okay to start with D&D if you want, because it remains very popular and thus it's easier to find a game to join, but keep in mind that there are a lot of games out there that play radically differently and have much better-designed mechanics. D&D is really the "Michael Bay films" of roleplaying games.
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Vadun posted:What's the Runequest "Winter Phase" like? Is it just dealing with experience checks, or is there something similar to Pendragons estate management homework? I haven't played Pendragon, but in the current edition of RuneQuest, you're supposed to mark experience checks between every season, roughly, or sooner or later if a lengthy adventure was noteworthy enough in its own. At the end of an in-game year, there are a bunch of different progression checks as well as household/management checks, though, including rolling for your characters' income for the year, family events, omens for the new year and so on. If you have the book for Roleplaying in Glorantha, the relevant chapter starts on page 415. Freakie fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jul 10, 2021 |
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Jul 10, 2021 23:35
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sebmojo posted:I can imagine a bit of " there could be a cool scene in a tavern basement, with the thing, and the guy??" "Yeah that will be fun," but its nuts how good improv can be. I mean, that's just regular roleplay technique, IMO. And yeah, they do that all the time. For example, start of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BUBe1aYpbY
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mellonbread posted:When we debate whether the show is "scripted" are we asking if the story beats are planned ahead of time, or if they actually memorize lines? Or maybe they just get a tip like "you're gonna want to make a joke about vecna" Edit: I think watching normal people play would be as interesting as hearing about someone else's dream. PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Lemon-Lime posted:If you're a big Tolkien fan, you want to look out for The One Ring, which is a game explicitly designed to enforce Middle-Earth-appropriate actions through its mechanics, with rules for pipe-smoking and riddle-making. It's getting a 2nd edition soon, so there might be enough of a surge in attention to find interested groups in a few months compared to now.
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I liken Critical Role to a high-end cooking show. You shouldn't judge how easy it will be for you to do something by how easy it is for the stars of the show to do it, nor should you just expect to be able to make it in your kitchen.
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Jul 11, 2021 05:28
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Glazius posted:I liken Critical Role to a high-end cooking show. You shouldn't judge how easy it will be for you to do something by how easy it is for the stars of the show to do it, nor should you just expect to be able to make it in your kitchen. Also, when a high-end cooking show is done, you don't get to smell or taste the food they made, much like you as an outside audience to people roleplaying don't know how it feels to roleplay like that.
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Freakie posted:I haven't played Pendragon, but in the current edition of RuneQuest, you're supposed to mark experience checks between every season, roughly, or sooner or later if a lengthy adventure was noteworthy enough in its own. At the end of an in-game year, there are a bunch of different progression checks as well as household/management checks, though, including rolling for your characters' income for the year, family events, omens for the new year and so on. If you have the book for Roleplaying in Glorantha, the relevant chapter starts on page 415. drat, I'll have to tiptoe around that with my friends then or change up the rhythm. Maybe have them do it at the start of the next session to play up how it should build into their stories. All but one of them stopped doing Winter phase entirely after a point in my Pendragon campaign, even going so far as to skip the experience checks, it blows my mind. Maybe I'll just try to find a different group to run it for.
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I thought the porn metaphor wasn't about the scriptedness so much as it was about the editedness. Some porn is just a continuous shot of the whole event with usually poor audio and video quality, while commercial porn is rigorously edited and has high quality audio and video. Which makes a better metaphor than pro wrestling vs MMA. Neither of those have much editing and cutting - you generally see the whole fight in both. So my question as someone who has not seen CR, is how much do they edit? I know the McElroys edited a lot for their podcast when I listened. They cut out people looking poo poo up, asking about mechanics, misspeaking, dropping dice on the floor, etc.
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Jimbozig posted:So my question as someone who has not seen CR, is how much do they edit? I know the McElroys edited a lot for their podcast when I listened. They cut out people looking poo poo up, asking about mechanics, misspeaking, dropping dice on the floor, etc. It's a live Twitch stream.
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It's also garbage, and they ousted an AIDS victim right when he caught AIDS because he was harmful to their brand right when they were going to make it big, and the dude legally can't talk about. There's also no LGBTQ, no minorities, just straight cis-het yts on the main cast. The characters are always the same conservative power fantasy. Nothing interesting happens, the worlds are dull, and he's just straight garbage. Watch Dimension 20 to see improv DND done right. If I'm watching or playing DND, why would I choose to watch Lord of the Rings for the 1,000,000th time. e: Also the gay npc in the beginning of season 1 was hilariously offensive. Megazver posted:Man, some of you have weird loving ideas about CR. They're still actually playing D&D, they're just trained theater nerds. Well they're playing 5th edition, so they're playing DND with their highly specific set of homerules because 5e exists to never be mechanically interesting or coherent. Boba Pearl fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Jul 11, 2021 09:55
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Lord of the Rings is pretty good
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Boba Pearl posted:It's also garbage, and they ousted an AIDS victim right when he caught AIDS because he was harmful to their brand right when they were going to make it big, and the dude legally can't talk about. There's also no LGBTQ, no minorities, just straight cis-het yts on the main cast. The characters are always the same conservative power fantasy. Nothing interesting happens, the worlds are dull, and he's just straight garbage. Orion sucked and it was good he left. Saying the cast are all het is definitely wrong
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:Orion sucked and it was good he left. Ashley Johnson , Travis Willingham, Laura Bailey, Liam O'Brien, Marisha Ray, and Sam Riegel are all straight? Who am I forgetting? e: Unless one of them came out in the last few years? e2: Yeah that dude with aids probably sucked so bad at playing DND he deserved to be cut for being sick. Boba Pearl fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Boba Pearl posted:It's also garbage, and they ousted an AIDS victim right when he caught AIDS because he was harmful to their brand right when they were going to make it big, and the dude legally can't talk about. Nah, he's a colossal rear end in a top hat. He was cut, because he's a colossal rear end in a top hat. quote:There's also no LGBTQ, no minorities, just straight cis-het yts on the main cast. The characters are always the same conservative power fantasy. Nothing interesting happens, the worlds are dull, and he's just straight garbage. Man, you must be fun to be around.
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Was he a colossal before or after his friends abandoned him and financially knee capped him while he was dealing with one of the most harrowing things a human can go through? and we're all just poo poo posting, what did I say that made you get personal?
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Andrast posted:Lord of the Rings is pretty good Boba's right in that it is incredibly generic and lacking any and all diversity. It created the clichés and all that. I still love it mind you. So, I've been looking at some stuff. Cyberpunk and tech futures seem ok. I like the idea of sailing, primarily on the ocean, then sky, then space in that order. I flipped through some D&D 5e stuff last night and only saw information for Fighter, Rogues, Wizards, and Clerics. Is there no monks or rangers? I love the idea of fists and having cool animal buddies. A setting where I can do one, the other, or both would be perfect. This all may have been a bit premature, since I'll be leaving soon until the 10th, but I'm glad I took the plunge, because I wouldn't have done so otherwise.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Boba's right in that it is incredibly generic and lacking any and all diversity. It created the clichés and all that. I still love it mind you. 5e is all open srd, so you can find a lot of really good stuff online You can find a website with all that stuff here: https://open5e.com/classes It has monks and rangers and stuff I didn't mean to talk poo poo I wasn't following the conversation, you'll have a lot of fun with 5e as your first game. I have my qualms with it, but even the worst tabletop game is insanely fun if you have a good group, and I've never played with a bad group pulling goons from SA e: I'm trying to find an interview with Matt Mercer why there's no PoC, or non-cis and it started with him explaining that it was just a home game that he played with his friends (which is yikes but w/e,) and when people asked him why doesn't he start a 2nd game then with a more diverse cast he said that running 2 DND games a week would literally kill him. You know, that things many of us are doing for fun? e2: And it's him saying how much work running a single game of DND is that makes me think it's incredibly scripted. While the channel has a net worth of 2 million dollars, and estimates to bring in about 750k a year on the low end. Boba Pearl fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Boba Pearl posted:e: I'm trying to find an interview with Matt Mercer why there's no PoC, or non-cis and it started with him explaining that it was just a home game that he played with his friends (which is yikes but w/e,) and when people asked him why doesn't he start a 2nd game then with a more diverse cast he said that running 2 DND games a week would literally kill him. idk, seems reasonable
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Boba's right in that it is incredibly generic and lacking any and all diversity. It created the clichés and all that. I still love it mind you. Wizards of the Coast sucks, you should play one of the million other fantasy games instead of D&D.
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Boba Pearl posted:Was he a colossal before or after his friends abandoned him and financially knee capped him while he was dealing with one of the most harrowing things a human can go through? Thanks to the wonders of video recording technology, there are literally recordings of him being a colossal rear end in a top hat. The last episodes he was in are uncomfortable to watch.
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