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Obviously the US has done dumber poo poo, but this doesn't strike me as a US operation. I'd bet someone in his cabinet betrayed him, or an organized crime group got tired of him. Won't be shocked if we find out it was a us backed internal coup later of course, with the above Vietnam examples as model.
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Yeah, 'I don't think this was a US government operation, but I'm open to the possibility' seems like a healthy, reasonable mindset here.
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no hay camino posted:It sounds like he got what was coming to him, although whether Haiti is any better off without him is a different question. Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, 'I don't think this was a US government operation, but I'm open to the possibility' seems like a healthy, reasonable mindset here. yeah it's not like there's exactly a shortage of people who wanted to kill the guy
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https://twitter.com/HaitiInfoProj/status/1413269255873712129 This video of a bunch of white guys who look like mercs (fashionable jeans + desert camo boots ha!). But, are they even the guys? It doesn't match with other descriptions, where only two other assassins were captured alive. The fact that they're being taken alive is good, nonetheless, they're not being treated as loose ends, but instead can be interrogated. If anything it makes me rank Joseph lower on the list of suspects. Whoever orchestrated this didn't have a good plan of taking power, and whoever fired the shots didn't have a good plan of getting away.
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Josef bugman posted:Would the fall of the Diệm regime in Vietnam count as precedent there? Arming multiple groups that were occasionally fighting eachother during the SCW?
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I mean you're assuming whoever ordered the hit had a plan to take power. Moïse had a hell of a lot of enemies and I'm pretty sure some of them had reasons to kill him that didn't involve seizing control of the government. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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So apparently the government of Colombia has confirmed that six of the suspects involved in the assassination of the Haitian president are ex-members of the Colombian army. https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-america-latina-57759824 quote:El gobierno de Colombia confirmó que al menos seis personas de un grupo de extranjeros capturados o muertos en Haití como supuestos autores del magnicidio son miembros retirados de sus fuerzas armadas. The assassins are reported to have spoken English or Spanish, and noticeably not French or creole. As stated in the AP article Phobophilia linked before: quote:[Interim Prime Minister Claude] Joseph said the heavily armed gunmen spoke Spanish or English, but gave no further details. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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Phobophilia posted:https://twitter.com/HaitiInfoProj/status/1413269255873712129 Yeah I was going to say, weren't at least a couple of them confirmed to be Haitian Americans?
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I'd guess also very likely that most of the guys on the hit squad had no idea they were killing the president of Haiti, perhaps even all of the guys that were there in person, or they would have had a better escape plan. If they had killed some corrupt drug boss/politician crossover then I'm sure their lacksadaisical escape plan would have worked. I mean just showing the photo of the target wouldn't mean very much to most people, and what are they going to do, tineye a printed photo of their target that they might not even get to keep in their position? Although I am kind of surprised that Haiti has a sufficiently-functioning intelligence service to get what look plausibly like the culprits so fast. Maybe they did something really stupid like keep their cell phones on, or not take the cell phones away from the police officers they temporarily kidnapped.
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It's actually really common for people to meticulously plan a murder and then either not plan the aftermath or have a plan that's laughably inadequate. It's what gets a lot of murderers caught.
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Jacobin has an interview with a Haitian journalist who suggests that the assassination was planned by rich Haitian businessmen to get the US to step in and prevent a revolution led by a former cop turned Punisher turned lumpenproletarian revolutionary leader. https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1413586693395992576?s=21
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quote:Biden administration officials, while sympathetic to the humanitarian misery unfolding some 700 miles south of Florida, and mindful of a potential mass exodus of Haitian refugees like one that occurred in the 1990s, nevertheless show no immediate enthusiasm for sending even a limited American force into the midst of politically-based civil strife and disorder. from The New York Times
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https://twitter.com/miamiherald/status/1413949740635631616?s=21 Oh dear. quote:Seventeen Colombians and two Haitian Americans from South Florida are in custody in Haiti. A person who interviewed the detained Colombians in Haiti told the Miami Herald that the men claimed to have been recruited to do work in Haiti by an under-the-radar firm in Doral called CTU Security. It is run by a Venezuelan émigré, Antonio Enmanuel Intriago Valera.
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I keep waiting to be told that this was carried out by Trump or Trump adjacent people who think he is still president
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hmmm.... seems to me like all these semi-independent contra mercenary organizations that the american government has for years cultivated on its soil for loving around in latin america, are starting to gently caress around on their own for fun and profit. i wonder if this is going to have more repercussions down the line... i mean i dont
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Doubt it. The CIA director visited Colombia and Venezuelan intelligence had heard rumblings about an assassination earlier this month and thought it was going to target Maduro. https://orinocotribune.com/cia-director-arrives-in-colombia-to-lead-sensitive-security-mission-venezuela-on-alert/
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Jul 11, 2021 12:56
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The Guardian is quoting opposition and other reports that suggest it may have been Moïse's own guards who killed him instead of the Colombians. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/10/doubts-raised-about-who-was-behind-the-assassination-of-haitis-president
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u brexit ukip it posted:The Guardian is quoting opposition and other reports that suggest it may have been Moïse's own guards who killed him instead of the Colombians. One group of armed men heading into the president's office, running into another group walking out, guns smoking, silently nodding to each other as they pass
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I'm 100% on the "USA is probably behind shady poo poo in LA" train - my only reservation is that Moise was their guy in Haiti, and there doesn't seem to be a clear successor or benefit for the US to killing him. Maybe it'll become clearer later, when the dust settles.
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JosefStalinator posted:I'm 100% on the "USA is probably behind shady poo poo in LA" train - my only reservation is that Moise was their guy in Haiti, and there doesn't seem to be a clear successor or benefit for the US to killing him. Maybe it'll become clearer later, when the dust settles. he could've fallen out of favor very recently for reasons that haven't been made public/leaked yet
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Doctor Teeth posted:he could've fallen out of favor very recently for reasons that haven't been made public/leaked yet Biden's very public desire not to get involved runs against this theory.
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What about the US troops that arrived to re-instate the occupation? Also seems to go against Biden's "very public desire not to get involved"?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:What about the US troops that arrived to re-instate the occupation? Also seems to go against Biden's "very public desire not to get involved"? Which troops would these be? The only thing the US has committed to at this point is sending a couple dozen suits to "investigate" what the gently caress is actually going on. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jul 12, 2021 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers noted that the US condemning the assassination meant it was probably good, don't take them seriously.Fuschia tude posted:One group of armed men heading into the president's office, running into another group walking out, guns smoking, silently nodding to each other as they pass Smokin' Aces 2: Haitian Boogaloo Morrow fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jul 12, 2021 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:What about the US troops that arrived to re-instate the occupation? Also seems to go against Biden's "very public desire not to get involved"? Haiti (or more precisely, the government led by the Moise-appointed interim prime minister) has requested US troops, but afaict Biden has so far told them "lol nah".
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Haiti (or more precisely, the government led by the Moise-appointed interim prime minister) has requested US troops, but afaict Biden has so far told them "lol nah". Well that just proves that the CIA is involved, doesn't it? Plausible double secret deniability and all that. Seriously, if/when the US government decides to send in troops without the explicit consent and request of the appropriate Haitian authorities I'll be as angry as anyone else ITT. But not before then, OK?
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Morrow posted:WhiskeyWhiskers noted that the US condemning the assassination meant it was probably good, don't take them seriously. Someone being facetious on the internet? People can do that? Vincent Van Goatse posted:Which troops would these be? The only thing the US has committed to at this point is sending a couple dozen suits to "investigate" what the gently caress is actually going on. https://twitter.com/AcrossMediums/status/1413668771005300737
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the new Resident Evil miniseries is about the US invading a Middle Eastern country to get a foothold for an invasion into China lol checks out after the last animated one which was about an arms dealer unleashing bioweapons in America as revenge for the US drone striking his wedding
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And she's already left Haiti according to another equally-credible Twitter rando: https://twitter.com/P_F_Lherisson_/status/1414259051651899394
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I mean the next tweet in that thread then goes onto explain both reports are likely correct. Sorry that I was out of date. https://twitter.com/P_F_Lherisson_/status/1414259055279943686
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Trying to fit an entire company of marines into an LCS would be like me fitting a whole-rear end baseball team into my Taurus, so I'd take that report with a grain of salt.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Trying to fit an entire company of marines into an LCS would be like me fitting a whole-rear end baseball team into my Taurus, so I'd take that report with a grain of salt. Like trump, you have to take the report seriously, not littoraly. E:, forgot which forum this was but I stand by the dumb pun. shimmy shimmy fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jul 12, 2021 |
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shimmy shimmy posted:Like trump, you have to take the report seriously, not littoraly. Try harder with your shallow puns, don't coast.
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shimmy shimmy posted:Like trump, you have to take the report seriously, not littoraly. You stole that pun from the China thread.
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Silver2195 posted:You stole that pun from the China thread. Nah, this and the cspam version of this thread are the only two politics-y threads I read these days since they're low throughput enough to stay on top of, and I like hearing about it.
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boaters for trump about to try bay of pigs one more time https://twitter.com/therealsmorlote/status/1414624308014551042
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Vasukhani posted:boaters for trump about to try bay of pigs one more time lol that should work really well
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:No. Don't. Stop. Come back. kamala said don't
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bet those mercs are upset about shooting their shot to kill the haitian pres instead of taking part in this
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