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It took a whole while for the DS9 writers to get their heads around the idea that plots could just keep focusing on the space station and local Bajoran politics instead of doing the planet a day Star Trek formula. B5 had an idea of what it wanted to do from the start, but it did do a lot of treading water trying to establish things (and about half of the points it left to be picked up in the future ended up not being used). Worf at least got the chance to beat up a lot of other Klingons on TNG. It's a little better than some of the other informed things about characters like Troy and Ryker's relationship.
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Has anyone ever done a "Star Trek" DnD campaign?
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TheAceOfLungs posted:Has anyone ever done a "Star Trek" DnD campaign? How do you mean? Star Trek but Set in DND? Pretty sure that exists.
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Not specifically Star Trek and D&D, but I liked that one Knights of the Dinner Table comic where the crew (who normally plays D&D) says that they're tired of D&D, and want to change things up by playing a Sci-Fi game instead, and they end up filling their same archetypes just with the names changed out.
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I've actually played a couple of Trek games back in the day. Mostly using the ancient FASA Star Trek rules that weren't great, actually. There's also a weird thing that happens when you introduce ranks into an RPG group that's used to everyone having an equal say in where to go next. It takes some getting used to, and some groups never handle it well at all. Unless you're very careful about which player you let outrank the others, you can run into some pretty serious quarterbacking issues. Honestly, Star Wars makes for a better RPG setting...unless you go off script with Trek and make it about a bunch of renegades in the Triangle or something...but then I haven't found a SW game yet that didn't end up with Jedi supremacy being much worse than caster supremacy in D&D, since Jedi can be built to be the best combatants in the game AND the only casters. The only exceptions being Star Wars games where Jedi are banned (Rebellion era or Edge of the Empire scoundrel type games) or going full on All Jedi All the Time. But if you want a "D&D archetypes in a Sci-Fi universe" then Star Wars is probably the way to go. Hell if you go with some of the old d20 versions...I personally think Revised edition was the best one WotC put out...you're pretty much using D&D 3.5 with Star Wars layered on top!
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TheAceOfLungs posted:Has anyone ever done a "Star Trek" DnD campaign? Does Expedition to the Barrier Peaks count?
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TheAceOfLungs posted:Has anyone ever done a "Star Trek" DnD campaign?
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Lasers and Feelings is genuinely a really good game. I was introduced to it through the Adventure Zone live show, and I fell in love immediately. How can you dislike a game where critical hits are called Laser Feelings?
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jng2058 posted:I've actually played a couple of Trek games back in the day. Mostly using the ancient FASA Star Trek rules that weren't great, actually. There's also a weird thing that happens when you introduce ranks into an RPG group that's used to everyone having an equal say in where to go next. It takes some getting used to, and some groups never handle it well at all. Unless you're very careful about which player you let outrank the others, you can run into some pretty serious quarterbacking issues. I mean it's rare that anyone in a Star Trek episode ever pulls rank. Kirk is in charge, sure, but that's easy to handwave. Just be casual about it.
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XkyRauh posted:Not specifically Star Trek and D&D, but I liked that one Knights of the Dinner Table comic where the crew (who normally plays D&D) says that they're tired of D&D, and want to change things up by playing a Sci-Fi game instead, and they end up filling their same archetypes just with the names changed out. They get bored and go to the holodeck and play d and d
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Mystic Mongol posted:It'd be neat if her build was both incredibly powerful and totally useless against the comic's main antagonist. Wouldn't be the first time.
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You know, that doesn't make alot of sense. Why is a Lich really strong? It's just a skeleton. With the phylactery and the regenning body, a Lich should be a Glass Cannon thing.
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Johnny Aztec posted:You know, that doesn't make alot of sense. Why is a Lich really strong? It's just a skeleton. I mean, it's a magically animated skeleton motivated by powerful enchantments. I imagine if you're a pre-lich planning your ascension ritual and the sales rep is like, "so, do you want the 100 horsepower skeletal grip or the 450 horsepower?", you as a power-mad arcanist are going to go for the latter.
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Android Blues posted:I mean, it's a magically animated skeleton motivated by powerful enchantments. I imagine if you're a pre-lich planning your ascension ritual and the sales rep is like, "so, do you want the 100 horsepower skeletal grip or the 450 horsepower?", you as a power-mad arcanist are going to go for the latter. Makes sense, it's a wizard completely rebuilding his own body from the ground up. Big ole' tuneup.
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Android Blues posted:I mean, it's a magically animated skeleton motivated by powerful enchantments. I imagine if you're a pre-lich planning your ascension ritual and the sales rep is like, "so, do you want the 100 horsepower skeletal grip or the 450 horsepower?", you as a power-mad arcanist are going to go for the latter. 
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Liches have the same strength (and dexterity) as when they were alive. They just gain +2 to all mental stats and no longer have a constitution score. Xykon being strong enough to crush V's windpipe with his bare phalanges is only related to him being a lich in that it's why his phalanges are bare.
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I imagine its justified in a "now you can go past your limits" sort of thing. No more pain means nothing "hold him back" because there's nothing to get damaged by overexertion anymore.
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he probably has better physical stats than v because hes a epic level character with a bunch of powerful magic items
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It's a fairly well known fact that a rigorous routine of constantly giving Wizards atomic wedgies builds tremendous core strength in Sorcerers.
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jsoh posted:he probably has better physical stats than v because hes a epic level character with a bunch of powerful magic items This, he was doing smashing scenery onto V because he's thrown on a +6 item at least at some point. He may have had a better than average strength score in life - even a 20(14+6) is incredibly strong by real world standards. Being grappled by Roy could even suggest he'd go higher because if something stops him from just bamfing out of there he'd rpobably want ot be sure. Plus smashing thing with brute force is cool and Xykon is probably into that. A Lich in an AMZ also loses his damage reduction, paralyzing touch, and fear aura. Because the magicless isn't scary anymore to those with 5HD or less. So yeah, I'd put money on most of the order besides V being able to solo Xykon in an AMZ if he doesn't have contingencies(he probably does). Elan is a maybe if you consider the dashing swordsman stuff extraordinary or supernatural, or if being punned is mind affecting so Xykon would be immune to to the damage. Anti-Magic Fight Club is the new alignment debate.
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I recall Elan's puns not working on some characters, but I don't know if they're mind-affecting or if they just have to be able to hear/understand you to be hurt by them.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I recall Elan's puns not working on some characters, but I don't know if they're mind-affecting or if they just have to be able to hear/understand you to be hurt by them. genuinely would be hilarious is if the perfect counter to elan is someone with a lower int stat wheres thog, is thog still alive i liked him
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NameHurtBrain posted:This, he was doing smashing scenery onto V because he's thrown on a +6 item at least at some point. He may have had a better than average strength score in life - even a 20(14+6) is incredibly strong by real world standards. A 20 would be a Demi-God. X wasn't just smashing scenery, but a large section of wall/boulder. So Way more than any human could lift by a fair amount. Forget crushing a windpipe with bare hands, X could , literally, rip a person in half without the slightest bit of effort.
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Thog is probably alive since we haven't seen the body
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sebmojo posted:Thog is probably alive since we haven't seen the body *most
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Haven't seen anything with the IFCC and Sabina in a good while. Sabina has her own agenda, I bet, with retrieving Nales soul before it 's turned into one of the blob things.
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Yeah, the IFCC is almost definitely going to have something to do with the finale, since they seem to have a vested interest in seeing the gates destroyed. Sabine, though, I could feasibly see that her (on-screen) part in the story is basically done. Aside from Nale, all that she has left to do is get bloody revenge on Tarquin, and it’s been made abundantly clear from his arc’s finale that Tarquin is almost definitely not going to be having any more influence on the comic.
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Sabine is part of the IFCC though.
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Yeah. And I suspect thog will probably spring out of nowhere, but who knows, roy has exhausted his nemesis status by beating him with architecture
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Without Nale in charge I don't see LG or its any former member having any reason to get involved again. If Thog lives he's probably adopted rescue puppies 
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Nenonen posted:Without Nale in charge I don't see LG or its any former member having any reason to get involved again. If Thog lives he's probably adopted rescue puppies Sabine seemed...not too happy with the current situation. I could see her getting the band back together for some sweet vengeance.
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AnoHito posted:Sabine seemed...not too happy with the current situation. I could see her getting the band back together for some sweet vengeance. Her personal grudge is against Tarquin who I think is out of the story. Her involvement with the OotS, Xykon and Snarl are all as employee of the three directors.
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I think it's pretty likely that we see Sabine again, but I'd be very surprised to see anyone else from the Linear Guild.
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Any further relevance Sabine has to the story will likely be based in her work for the IFCC as part of their plans for the gate...but last time we heard about what she was up to, the IFCC three remarked that she was quite good at mixing her demon business with her private affairs. We don't know exactly what they've sent her to do, but if she can somehow make "hurting Tarquin or Laurin" part of the task she's been given, she'll certainly take the opportunity.
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For another example of Xykon's physical strength. He beat a more powerful Wizard then himself to death with a trophy.
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With the way Rich is I am putting Thog at an approximately 0% chance for coming back. It is kinda funny that a lich isn't magic enough to stop working entirely in an AMZ. sfwarlock posted:"You call it the 'Trouser Titan'?!" To hit, sure, but damage? Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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I felt for sure that we had confirmation Thog was alive, but his last mention was a bit inconclusive: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0822.html I reckon that he probably is still alive from the way Tarquin is talking here though. I'm positive we'll see Thog again, though it might be as part of an epilogue / ending montage.
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If Thog shows up, it'd be a total ridiculous nonsequiter, but that's also one of Thog's big bits, so I'd give it like 6 out of 10 odds. Hilgya already has other importance, so she'll probably show up again. Sabine had some kind of foreshadowing. The rest of the linear guild...well a decent chunk are dead and can't show back up without schenanigans, but the rest...that half-elf and dwarf druid, they're not really important enough to register. Maybe the half-elf could be relevant if the plot revisits Roy's sister? Maybe Belkar could wind up friends with a kobold to show how far he's come.
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