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Lid posted:For similar reasons, political instability in North Caucasus regions like the Chechen Republic have probably also played a role. As noted trainer Mike Winkeljohn explained recently, he wasn’t sure what to make of it the first time he cornered Chechen fighter [Adlan] Amagov for a UFC bout. In the locker room before the fight, Amagov was so relaxed he looked nearly catatonic, Winkeljohn told MMAjunkie. That sounds like adaptation to violence. The fighter I'm thinking of wasn't directly traumatized but much of her extended family from her parent's generation and up was murdered by the Khmer Rouge. So it's possible that some of the adaptation was transferred to her from her parents. I'd also note that sports have rules, rituals, a clear idea of when the violence will start and stop and if you get to injured or simply lose, the fight ends. If you adapted to a chaotic and violent environment then combat sports are generally an improvement. It's a step downwards in intensity. The process of adapting to violence and its aftereffects loving suck and it is 100% not something to be envied. But if someone's 10/10 in terms of trauma and terror and you're at a 3/10 in the same situation because you've seen and/or done dirt that your opponent hasn't, you have an advantage that they lack. That said, I generally don't like watching the kind of sports filled with people like this. If sumo were more brutal than it is I wouldn't watch it. But it scratches a nice itch for a combat sports in a new way that I like. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Lid posted:Nope, look at the traps of literally everyone in Hakuho's heya. fair enough  and yeah considering the training regimens aren't famous for weightlifting you have to imagine those gains come from something. Japanese pro wrestling is also fairly rife with a little bit of steroids, just as a treat, so I suppose it's not a stretch to imagine sumo going down the same path.
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harperdc posted:fair enough A fair lot of them do lift.
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Jul 11, 2021 15:56
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Terunofuji does a shitload of heavy weight lifting, including 600kg leg presses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaTjkX_vHbY
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Terunofuji does a shitload of heavy weight lifting, including 600kg leg presses Hell yeah
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harperdc posted:fair enough Chiyonofuji pioneered weightlifting in sumo, I believe.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Terunofuji does a shitload of heavy weight lifting, including 600kg leg presses Um  I think you’ll find they’re nothing more than really fat men in diapers 
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Long-Time Lurker posted:Chiyonofuji pioneered weightlifting in sumo, I believe. IIRC, he had a lot of early career shoulder issues, apparently throwing 300lb guys repeatedly causes some stress. The fix was to hit the weights since he wasn’t a large man. Terunofuji came out and said his knees cant take daily training anymore, but he hasn’t missed a day of lifting since his comeback.
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Long-Time Lurker posted:Chiyonofuji pioneered weightlifting in sumo, I believe. Yea even if you are on the juice you gotta put in the work. Man he was loving jacked beyond belief though
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Hakuho is the GOAT, no question, but Chiyonofuji will always be the raddest yokozuka.Ice Phisherman posted:You also have the fighter whose mind isn't occupied. Who has no anxiety. Who doesn't vomit. Who doesn't think about running away. I've heard of one of my favorite amateur fighters that can even take a nap before a fight. I feel like Takayasu has a bit of this. Immediately before and after a bout he looks half asleep, but if you pause during the initial charge he looks completely insane. It was one of the first things I liked about him. Kachi-koshi are coming in! Okay so far it's just Teru and Hak, but we're moving into the second week, so there are gonna be more soon. Day 8 standings: Makuuchi code:code:Down in juryo newcomers TwoWordName and KungFu Grip are battling it out. This one appears to be largely a battle of Mitakeumi vs. Ishiura, which should favor TwoWordName with Mitakeumi, especially since KungFu Grip traded away Myogiryu for Tamawashi for Day 8. That was a good trade, but we'll see if it's enough to keep them in contention.
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Some lovely bouts today, Hoshoryu once again bringing his stylish skillset along. He's quickly becoming one of my favorite rikishi to watch. Every basho he improves noticeably.
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Just Kyokutenho, Asashoryu and Kotooshu having chanko nabe. Tobizaru slapping Snorlax was clearly not the smartest decision of his life. anakha fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Jul 12, 2021 |
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Next time I say "I'm sticking with the guys I got" remind me how badly it's turning out for me right now.Martytoof posted:YES I mean, I'm still technically correct inasmuch as nightmares are a TYPE of dream :|
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Honestly, this time around I'm so excited by Terunofuji's yokozuna run and the Hakuho comeback run that I find myself hard-pressed to care much about my team's lackluster performance. When I wake up in the morning I don't check to see how my guys did, I check to see if the Kaiju and the GOAT are still undefeated.
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I feel like I could've chosen my picks a little better/been a bit more aggressive with my cuts, but goddammit, I like Tobizaru and Wakatakakage, so I wanted and still want to stick with them, even as they spiral into make-koshi range.
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god drat it, wakatakakage
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Speaking of swole sumo, university star and current undefeated rikishi Ishizaki has been hitting the gym.
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bessantj posted:Speaking of swole sumo, university star and current undefeated rikishi Ishizaki has been hitting the gym. How often does a rikishi down in Sandanme/Makushita go double zensho-yusho, cause he's well on his way, drat.
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Archenteron posted:How often does a rikishi down in Sandanme/Makushita go double zensho-yusho, cause he's well on his way, drat. Sandanme 7-0 followed by Makushita 7-0, basically the only recent one was Yutakayama (at the time fighting under his real name). Makushita 7-0 followed by Makushita 7-0, Abi just now and Tochinoshin when he was coming back from his big injury, and then before that...Matsutani? Oh, Shohozan. Here's a list of all occurrences of back to back 7-0 scores across all ranks, only 105 results and the first 4 don't even really count because they're weird records from the 1700s and 1800s with draws and stuff in them. What you really are looking for is this list of all triple back to back 7-0 scores, this has happened 13 times. If you expand that list to 4 tournaments, you get no results, if Hokuseiho wins 2 more matches he will be the first to accomplish the feat. Brut fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jul 12, 2021 |
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If you do jonidan/sandanme We have Hokuseiho of course and before that Ura and in 2017 thread favourite Enho.
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I just finished watching Day 7. Tobizaru's plan against Hakuho was perfect. The problem was that "keep your distance and use Hadouken" does not work as well against Hakuhou as it does on Edmond Honda.
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Neodoomium posted:god drat it, wakatakakage If you ever see me pick him again just avoid the poo poo out of him, every time I pick him he shits the bed entirely
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just what is shodais deal exactly? He's so frustrating.
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Southpaugh posted:just what is shodais deal exactly? He's so frustrating. From what I've seen he currently has the natural gifts and the talent to beat literally anyone on any day. However unlike Asanoyama, I don't think he's too in his own head, I just think as part of the Faustian bargain he engaged with he's required to look like absolute poo poo 40% of the time.
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Shodai is the only active rikishi Ive seen that could go on an insane run taking two tournaments in a row, getting the rope, and then going 1-14 while completely healthy and be forced to retire in disgrace.
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Brut posted:What you really are looking for is this list of all triple back to back 7-0 scores, this has happened 13 times. If you expand that list to 4 tournaments, you get no results, if Hokuseiho wins 2 more matches he will be the first to accomplish the feat. I love niche sports feats like that. Kototenzan on that list was John Tenta - also known as Earthquake in the WWF.
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captainblastum posted:I love niche sports feats like that. Kototenzan on that list was John Tenta - also known as Earthquake in the WWF. During a joint WWF/SWS show, former Yokozuna Kōji Kitao got booked to lose to Earthquake but threw a shitfit and no sold all his offense because he thought he shouldn't lose to a former rikishi below his rank, even in a fake fight.
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captainblastum posted:Pretty bold for a dude that never won a makuuchi tournament! Oh, Futahaguro! Which makes this funnier: Wikipedia posted:After being shouted at by Tenta and with the crowd chanting Tenta's name, Kitao kicked the referee and was disqualified. Afterwards he picked up a microphone and in a shoot promo announced that wrestling was fake and Tenta could never really beat him, as other Japanese wrestlers attempted to restrain him. Kitao was fired from SWS as a result, while promotion officials were concerned that Kitao might further expose the business to national newspapers. *Japanese pro wrestling looks at the NSK like 'wtf?' *NSK shrugs and rolls eyes
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It's very impressive to be the indisputable all time worst grand champion in a sport with fairly reliable tournament records going back to the late 18th century.
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This is my first time hearing about this guy and wow, he sucks. He sucks in both the sumo wrestling way (embarrassing yokozuna promotion and subsequent performance) and the being a decent person way (having an explosive argument with his stable master and hitting the stable master's wife on the way out).
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Fluffdaddy posted:not to mention working himself into a shoot and almost exposing the business Clearly the worst of his crimes.
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Dimebags Brain posted:Clearly the worst of his crimes.
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Apraxin posted:The worst thing is that in promoting Futahaguro before he won a yusho, the Old Men Who Decide Things took a chance on a promising young talent full of potential but not fully proven by the terms of the archaic handbook, and thanks to how that worked out they've spent the next three decades going 'well, won't make that mistake ever again'. And then pressured Kisenosato.
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Apraxin posted:The worst thing is that in promoting Futahaguro before he won a yusho, the Old Men Who Decide Things took a chance on a promising young talent full of potential but not fully proven by the terms of the archaic handbook, and thanks to how that worked out they've spent the next three decades going 'well, won't make that mistake ever again'. tbf while they can def be assholes who have way overcompensated in the other direction i really don't think a guy *should* be able to make yokuzuna without ever winning a single yusho
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Futahaguro is hilarious because of how much he obviously sucks on a personal level. I feel like the only comparable true "bad boy" type that made any impact in makuuchi was probably Asashoryu, and he wasn't even close to Futahaguro. It's incredible how many of the top dudes in sumo seem like at least reasonable guys (the meanest seem like Goeido or whatever), and there are plenty of Kaiseis and Chiyomarus and Aminishikis and Kakuryus around who everyone just adores. Some excellent bouts today. Loved Tobizaru slapping Ichinojo and then getting blasted out of the dohyo, that ruled. Hoshoryu looking stylish as usual. We're starting to get make-koshi in. Day 9 standings: code:code:
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I only ever got to see 4 Kisenosato complete basho but I love the guy. I'll always be sad for the lost potential of if he hadn't gotten hurt or had been able to heal properly.
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