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HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Combat Pretzel posted:

The current way is to click "Show More Options" in the new context menu, which will open the old one.

What a sodding waste of time

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Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

Combat Pretzel posted:

The current way is to click "Show More Options" in the new context menu, which will open the old one.

Haha then why even bother? I figured they got rid of it because of that issue where Windows Explorer uses 70% of the cpu because of errant context menus from programs like Megaupload or something. So it's the worst of all worlds?

Am I the only one that loves being able to see everything at once? Hell in the xp days the absolute first thing I always did on a fresh install was change that stupid default way Control Panel used to show up bunching stuff together.

I agree with the other goon that wanted every program viewable at once when clicking the start menu. OpenShell supremacy.

I mean we're not running 640x480 any more. What's with this BS of not utilizing completely empty screen real estate space? I hate it. :corsair:

Squatch Ambassador
Nov 12, 2008

What? Never seen a shaved Squatch before?

Combat Pretzel posted:

The current way is to click "Show More Options" in the new context menu, which will open the old one.

One time when I was working with a bunch of zip files in a row it started showing the 7-zip options in the new context instead of the overflow. I'm not sure if it was a feature, a bug, or if I was hallucinating because nothing like that has happened since.

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?
Night Light seems to have gotten stuck to "on" on just one of my monitors. Toggling the button off and back on doesn't seem to help. What could be causing it to a) be stuck and b) stuck only on one screen?

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Not to be that guy, but it's months away from official release, it's going to be very unpolished at this rate. Different story if it's a release product, but sure finding bugs is part of the enjoyment.

Unless you're drunk WattsvilleBlues in 2005 or 2006 installing Windows Vista Beta 2 over XP and waking up to find all my university work consigned to history.

The UI changes aren't even that big, which makes it weird that things are broken all over, and the best estimate is that they only have 3 months left. They could fix it all in time but it's not a great sign.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


hooah posted:

Night Light seems to have gotten stuck to "on" on just one of my monitors. Toggling the button off and back on doesn't seem to help. What could be causing it to a) be stuck and b) stuck only on one screen?

Does the monitor itself have any kind of filtering options that might have been toggled on? My monitor's a cheap Benq one that has some BI+ button that auto adjusts colour / brightness based on ambient light in the room

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Take a screenshot of the image on that monitor and view it on your non-fudged monitor. The filter in W10 will also tone the screenshot, if it's stuck on. (If something else is going on, that might tone it, too, but you'd rule out the monitor hardware.)

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?
I did some more Googling and ended up deleting a couple of registry folders, then rebooting. Everything's back to normal now.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008
When you reply to an email in Gmail it shows you an empty text box. If you want to see the whole quoted email text which will be sent beneath your reply you need to click three or four buttons each time. Is there any way to make the default reply action show you the entire contents of the email?

I've checked the settings and there's nothing obvious -although I'm a gmail noob so may have just missed it.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
REPENT, THE END IS NEIGH
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57836326.amp

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box



All this, plus Stadia/XCloud/etc makes me miss those heady days of OnLive. One of the best companies I ever worked with at E3.

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Lol yeah I was expecting Win 11 would come with some sort of subscription service.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
I've noticed my laptop sometimes doesn't hibernate over night, leaving some of the battery drained when I open it the next day. I know I can set it so it always hibernates when I close the lid, but the way it usually works (or used to), is that it would hibernate after sleeping some set amount of hours. I'm not sure why that doesn't always happen.

mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



Uhm, remember how the thread's mantra in regards to antivirus software always was "Just stick with Windows Defender, it works and does not interfere as much with your system as other third party tools?"

Welp (if true):

quote:

Windows Defender July Update - Will delete legitimate file from famous copyright case (DeCSS)

I have an archived copy of both the Source Code and Complied .exe forDeCSS, which some of you may be old enough to remember as the first succesfuly decryption tool for DVD players back when Windows 2000 reigned supreme.

Well surprise, surprise, the July 2021 update to Windows Defender will attempt to delete any copies in multiple instances;

.txt file of source code - deleted

.zip file with compiled .exe inside - deleted

raw .exe file - deleted

Setting a Windows Defender exception to the folder does not prevent the quarantine from occurring. I re-ran this test three times trying exceptions and even the entire NAS drive as on the excluded list.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/oof29b/windows_defender_july_update_will_delete/

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

mcbexx posted:

Uhm, remember how the thread's mantra in regards to antivirus software always was "Just stick with Windows Defender, it works and does not interfere as much with your system as other third party tools?"

Welp (if true):

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/oof29b/windows_defender_july_update_will_delete/

A later conversation in the thread suggests it's a false positive generated by machine learning. The deletions no doubt happened, but whether it's intentional is still up in the air, and there doesn't seem to be anyone else stepping forward and confirming it's happening to them too.

mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



isndl posted:

A later conversation in the thread suggests it's a false positive generated by machine learning. The deletions no doubt happened, but whether it's intentional is still up in the air, and there doesn't seem to be anyone else stepping forward and confirming it's happening to them too.

The (alleged) fact that files get quarantined/deleted despite their directories being whitelisted/excluded from search is quite worrisome even if the detection itself is an ML fuckup though, isn't it?

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

mcbexx posted:

The (alleged) fact that files get quarantined/deleted despite their directories being whitelisted/excluded from search is quite worrisome even if the detection itself is an ML fuckup though, isn't it?

Yeah sure, but that's been a long-standing issue with Defender to my knowledge.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


isndl posted:

Yeah sure, but that's been a long-standing issue with Defender antivirus to my knowledge.

Fix'd.

Anti-virus, even though Defender really has been the best of the bunch, has really bad habits. Remember when McAfee flagged svchost.exe? Yeah. That was a lot of fun.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



isndl posted:

Yeah sure, but that's been a long-standing issue with Defender to my knowledge.
Yeah I've seen that too.

Also the point never was that defender was good. It's that the alternatives aren't worth considering at all.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
There are a few categories of non-virus software that heuristic scanning frequently has problems with. Hack & piracy tools is one. Demoscene stuff is another:

Look at the date, I just took that screenshot. I only have like 50 demos, but it's so normal for one of them to get a false-positive that all I had to do was remove the ignore for that folder and try it. Generally 50/50 coinflip whether one of them gets picked up.



But let's look at this as a different lesson to learn: having a NAS as a permanently mounted drive with full write permissions across the whole shebang is a bad idea. If you do that it means software or human error can erase your data. Now you need offline backups of all the poo poo on the NAS, because raid isn't a backup.

That guy popped off with the most inflammatory post he could write and spammed reddit because he's pissed that his old keygens that are impossible to find got deleted. Defender's quarantine failed, which sucks, but his setup was such that everything on his NAS had zero resilience. If he actually got hit by malware, his whole NAS would be crypto'd. And he doesn't have backups.

So the lesson is not "turn off defender because MS is deleting piracy tools". The lesson is "don't have fragile setups where one mistake causes lost data, because mistakes happen".

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Party Boat posted:

Does the monitor itself have any kind of filtering options that might have been toggled on? My monitor's a cheap Benq one that has some BI+ button that auto adjusts colour / brightness based on ambient light in the room

The older I get, the more like a Luddite I feel when it comes to stuff like this.

Stop 'helping' and just leave me alone :argh:

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
I took an online proctored test today with Pearson VUE. They force you to download and run what I believe to be a browser extension.

I was thinking I could create another Windows 10 user (local only no windows account) for this purpose to help protect my main account and files. When I created another user, standard user (not admin), I found that the user had access to all my files/folders and had all the same desktop icons and folders as my main account.

I don't have a grasp on Windows users and permissions so I'm missing something simple here. How do I create a generic user that only has access to their personal apps/folders? I guess I should have spun up a VM but I was short on time.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



Hughmoris posted:

I took an online proctored test today with Pearson VUE. They force you to download and run what I believe to be a browser extension.

I was thinking I could create another Windows 10 user (local only no windows account) for this purpose to help protect my main account and files. When I created another user, standard user (not admin), I found that the user had access to all my files/folders and had all the same desktop icons and folders as my main account.

I don't have a grasp on Windows users and permissions so I'm missing something simple here. How do I create a generic user that only has access to their personal apps/folders? I guess I should have spun up a VM but I was short on time.

If it's for a one-off and you don't need any of the data to persist for a later session, you could run it in Windows Sandbox.

You'll need to be on Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise or Education for it, though. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/windows-sandbox/windows-sandbox-overview

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Also: all remote proctoring software is loving awful.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
That sort of poo poo software has VM checks apparently.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Combat Pretzel posted:

That sort of poo poo software has VM checks apparently.

Yeah, people were getting dinged on it because Hyper-V was enabled for WSL or general use.

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010

Klyith posted:

There are a few categories of non-virus software that heuristic scanning frequently has problems with. Hack & piracy tools is one. Demoscene stuff is another:

Look at the date, I just took that screenshot. I only have like 50 demos, but it's so normal for one of them to get a false-positive that all I had to do was remove the ignore for that folder and try it. Generally 50/50 coinflip whether one of them gets picked up.



But let's look at this as a different lesson to learn: having a NAS as a permanently mounted drive with full write permissions across the whole shebang is a bad idea. If you do that it means software or human error can erase your data. Now you need offline backups of all the poo poo on the NAS, because raid isn't a backup.

That guy popped off with the most inflammatory post he could write and spammed reddit because he's pissed that his old keygens that are impossible to find got deleted. Defender's quarantine failed, which sucks, but his setup was such that everything on his NAS had zero resilience. If he actually got hit by malware, his whole NAS would be crypto'd. And he doesn't have backups.

So the lesson is not "turn off defender because MS is deleting piracy tools". The lesson is "don't have fragile setups where one mistake causes lost data, because mistakes happen".

They're both pretty good lessons. Exclusions and quarantine not working is a big deal.

Even with backups, it's a bad idea to use software that deletes your files.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




AlexDeGruven posted:

Yeah, people were getting dinged on it because Hyper-V was enabled for WSL or general use.

Eugh.

Well, gently caress 'em, they'll have to give that up with windows 11, right? Isn't 11 going HVCI all the time?

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


MikeJF posted:

Eugh.

Well, gently caress 'em, they'll have to give that up with windows 11, right? Isn't 11 going HVCI all the time?

lol, unlikely. More likely they'll just take people's money and fail them for not running a supported OS.

The only proctoring software I've found to be tolerable is the RedHat exam environment. It's a bootable USB that will run on just about anything and is completely self contained. It still sucks, because it all does. But it sucks the least.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




AlexDeGruven posted:

lol, unlikely. More likely they'll just take people's money and fail them for not running a supported OS.

I look forward to Microsoft and Universities getting into a war.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


MikeJF posted:

I look forward to Microsoft and Universities getting into a war.

Sometimes I'm the guy who just wants to watch the world burn.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Proctoring software does generally suck. Really I think if you are that worried about cheating just make people take the test while on Zoom or something.

The plagiarism check stuff is weirder and I don't hate it the same way as proctoring software. It's odd that a completely original paper will show a certain percentage of plagiarism just because of word choice. And the ones that check against self-plagiarism bring up interesting questions. But catching people copy/pasting from Wikipedia is worth it.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

My wife gets flagged by her company constantly for plagiarism and the things it flags as plagiarism are often blended quotes, citations (she’s a lawyer), and just common phrases like “preponderance of the evidence” or “The appeals court affirmed the lower court’s decision”. It is absolutely incredibly annoying because she’s supposed to tamp down on plagiarism flags but it’s loving hard to wiggle around common phrases like “The Supreme Court rules in a 5-4 decision, with Scalia and Thomas writing a separate dissent that…”

I absolutely 100% do not trust “AI” plagiarism checkers. Maybe it’s different for education, but how many billions of book reports on To Kill a Mockingbird are there? I can only imagine some student getting dinged because their analysis of Atticus Finch shooting a dog is 90% similar to someone else’s. He’a good at shooting, the dog was rabid, Scout didn’t know Atticus was dope as gently caress. And you just know people aren’t going to check the plagiarism checker, they’ll trust the power of the cloud or whatever.

jokes fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jul 26, 2021

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



If I recall from my time in grad school the plagiarism check showing like 40% or thereabouts was pretty normal. Which is, of course, very stupid. Yes, a lot of the phrasing in my papers was similar, because I'm the one writing them. :rolleyes:

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

CaptainSarcastic posted:

If I recall from my time in grad school the plagiarism check showing like 40% or thereabouts was pretty normal. Which is, of course, very stupid. Yes, a lot of the phrasing in my papers was similar, because I'm the one writing them. :rolleyes:
I always enjoyed the rule about self-plagiarization. Like, I can plagiarize myself? I... how? :dafuq:

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

jokes posted:

My wife gets flagged by her company constantly for plagiarism and the things it flags as plagiarism are often blended quotes, citations (she’s a lawyer), and just common phrases like “preponderance of the evidence” or “The appeals court affirmed the lower court’s decision”. It is absolutely incredibly annoying because she’s supposed to tamp down on plagiarism flags but it’s loving hard to wiggle around common phrases like “The Supreme Court rules in a 5-4 decision, with Scalia and Thomas writing a separate dissent that…”

I absolutely 100% do not trust “AI” plagiarism checkers. Maybe it’s different for education, but how many billions of book reports on To Kill a Mockingbird are there? I can only imagine some student getting dinged because their analysis of Atticus Finch shooting a dog is 90% similar to someone else’s. He’a good at shooting, the dog was rabid, Scout didn’t know Atticus was dope as gently caress. And you just know people aren’t going to check the plagiarism checker, they’ll trust the power of the cloud or whatever.

You’re not supposed to remove common phrases or otherwise try to get to 0%. That’s why it flags things and produced a roll up report, not a binary yes/no.

Not that I’d be surprised if there are professors/management that treat it that way.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


CaptainSarcastic posted:

If I recall from my time in grad school the plagiarism check showing like 40% or thereabouts was pretty normal. Which is, of course, very stupid. Yes, a lot of the phrasing in my papers was similar, because I'm the one writing them. :rolleyes:

I actually had to drop this class, but in a Python class we were supposed to cite sources and have our code run through the plagiarism checker.

I'm not putting citations in a loving python script.

CFox
Nov 9, 2005
A plagiarism checker for code is the most batshit thing I've heard in a long time.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


CFox posted:

A plagiarism checker for code is the most batshit thing I've heard in a long time.

Especially since reusing code and adapting publicly available examples is 99.9% of coding work, especially in the interpreted space.

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HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Proctoring software does generally suck. Really I think if you are that worried about cheating just make people take the test while on Zoom or something.

They do. Someone watches your webcam (in theory) the whole time.

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