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Vasukhani posted:boaters for trump about to try bay of pigs one more time What are they waiting on the US gov for, these are the same people that were in the capitol on Jan 6th. E: Biden only got into office by his boy Hugo Chavez helping him out beyond the grave or some poo poo according to these people right America Inc. fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 12, 2021 |
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no hay camino posted:What are they waiting on the US gov for, these are the same people that were in the capitol on Jan 6th. Unlike the Capitol police, the Cuban coast guard will most certainly stop and arrest these people. They want to be told they can't go so they can blame Biden.
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Yeah, I think Biden should steer clear of Haiti. This could get very awkward for the US if Cuba doesn't last in the newscycle. https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/statu...agenumber%3D206
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Los filibusteros are back baby
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When I think of Mexico nowadays, I remember the words of one Ed Calderon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEjKdck2QRA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSNZ7EhdpOo Do you think Mexico is headed towards a decentralized cartel hybrid state?
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Judakel posted:Yeah, I think Biden should steer clear of Haiti. This could get very awkward for the US if Cuba doesn't last in the newscycle. https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/statu...agenumber%3D206 A breeding ground for international terrorists
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Am I reading the news correctly today? Did the DEA just assassinate the president of Haiti?
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Farking Bastage posted:Am I reading the news correctly today? Did the DEA just assassinate the president of Haiti? You are, in fact, reading the news incorrectly
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Interesting post on reddit by a (*self declared) cuban leftist, actually living there:quote:“What’s going in Cuba” - a brief rundown by a Cuban Anarchist. TL/DR: situation is bad and protests are legitimate, but its dangerous and dumb that there are people calling for american intervention
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Leaving Afghanistan only to try and hype up Bay of Pigs II, just makes the United States look pathetic and right after an extremely suspicious Haitian assassination perpetrated by some Americans.  Just straight grift. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Nonsense posted:Leaving Afghanistan only to try and hype up Bay of Pigs II, just makes the United States look pathetic and right after an extremely suspicious Haitian assassination perpetrated by some Americans. Grift implies that someone is making money off of it rather than just the CIA making twitter accounts and posting cringe.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Interesting post on reddit by a (*self declared) cuban leftist, actually living there: From what little I've read this take sounds about correct. It especially dovetails with a stupidly long twitter thread that should have been like three posts and a link to a medium article rather than (1/329).  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1414626287239450627.html Among other things, it argues that one of the problems was Cuba winding down their dual currency system at exactly the wrong time and loving their foreign currency reserves / ability to import things, which is a particularly big problem when some of your top imports are staple foods. why we should give this guy the time of day: well it's a long and apparently well-considered 'article' with citations and the guy seems to be an author for a couple publications, some of them fairly established anyway, cops bad, release of prisoners good, we'll see how the rest goes Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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the guy's an anarchist out to discredit what he terms the "leninist" government of cuba. a lot of what he says is real, but some of it is very bizarre, like the "the embargo's been around for a long time so it's a constant variable" point - he's got his own axe to grind, the same as right-wingers.
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V. Illych L. posted:he's got his own axe to grind, the same as right-wingers. And left-wingers.
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well he's a left-winger himself so i thought that went without saying
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https://twitter.com/Billy_Kobin/status/1415005990982926336 conducting terror attacks in the US to own castro
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You're also taking him at his word that he's an anarchist in Cuba when left-wing anti-communism is the bread and butter of disinfo campaigns. That last paragraph is classic.
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i'm here for the Bay of Chuds
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:And left-wingers. And liberals.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Interesting post on reddit by a (*self declared) cuban leftist, actually living there: This source has no legitimacy whatsoever. The media literacy and rules threads have some handy tips on how to evaluate sources. quote:Good discussion requires good information, something that is increasingly hard to come by in the age of 140 character non sequiturs and blogging grifters presenting as experts. Make an effort to vet your sources before you post them, and when you do make sure that you make clear the following: who is the source, what do they have to say, and why should they be considered valid. Anyone can make something up, and the US has dirty hands when it comes to things of this nature, not to mention the millions recently approved for spreading democracy in Cuba. That is not good information you are providing. quote:why we should give this guy the time of day: well it's a long and apparently well-considered 'article' with citations and the guy seems to be an author for a couple publications, some of them fairly establish People joke about post length being the most important thing but writing a long article with citations, which teenagers routinely do, indicates nothing reliable about the validity of that source as someone supposedly on the ground in Cuba. edit: I misread your post and I wasn’t talking about the medium author; I thought there were more Reddit posts. mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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v illych l makes a reasonable point as to the bias of the guy i referenced; writing some stuff for some vaguely credible and/or lefty publications doesn't mean his anarchist-who-dislikes-leninists stance is irrelevant wouldn't mind more sources in this here thread on the cuba protests though, especially since i don't speak spanish so my google fu on cuba suuuuucks
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A Smart Person posted:Basically the president who took over after Raul started off getting the internet working better in Cuba, seemed like a continuation of the way things had been: scarce and embargoed, but kinda moving toward a more hybrid capitalist/communist system. This president then got pissed that Cubans, who had gotten used to a more lax government, used that internet to critique the state. So he got more crackdown than Cuba has been used to for some time. From a friend who studies Cuba.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:From a friend who studies Cuba. loving disgusting framing. It's the victim's fault they're being strangled. Also it should be noted that the embargo doesn't just prevent trade with the USA, it has hobbled (especially since Trump) the ability of Cuba to sell to any company integrated within the global financial system (which is pretty much everyone).
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GreyjoyBastard posted:wouldn't mind more sources in this here thread on the cuba protests though, especially since i don't speak spanish so my google fu on cuba suuuuucks I'm being lazy but I think a good piece of context to know with these protests is the San Isidro Movement.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:From a friend who studies Cuba. Your friend is an idiot. This is just reheated liberal Tiananmen Square analysis. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Your friend is an idiot. This is just reheated liberal Tiananmen Square analysis. Please do educate us on the proper view of what happened at Tianenmen square 
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Please do educate us on the proper view of what happened at Tianenmen square not what your friend who studies china told you that's for sure (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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mawarannahr posted:This source has no legitimacy whatsoever. The media literacy and rules threads have some handy tips on how to evaluate sources. You are right, my bad I posted because it seemed reasonable and interesting enough, but yeah, it can be fake, and I dont really know
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Does the very smart person have an explanation for why the anti- protests lasted a single day, and didnt breach 1000 supporters (some say less than 500). Before you say "authoritarian commies stopped them" note that Colombia, which in fact does have bootstrap psychos in power who happily crack down on dissent & have murdered protestors, not only sustained its protests but snowballed into being a million+ strong. Personally, I think the protest was legit and not a psyop, but I bet it was a more general "we need more food and support, certain hospitals are being overwhelmed" rather than "counter-revolution NOW" and seeing the US (significant culprits in the current situation) hijack the narrative has demoralized them. Also being dwarfed by the pro-rallies.
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Neurolimal posted:Does the very smart person have an explanation for why the anti- protests lasted a single day, and didnt breach 1000 supporters (some say less than 500). You're probably right but how do you know it was "dwarfed" by the pro-rallies, when it's not even clear how many anti-government protestors there were? I did not see any large-scale photos (e.g. aerial or from tall apartment buildings) that show the scale, like you would see in Venezuela before Maduro sealed his reign, where every shot of the anti-government protestors was taken from a drone and showed wall-to-wall people for miles, and all the pro-government shots would be like photos taken from right inside a "crowd" so you could not see more than a couple dozen people, kind of like the Trump admin's photos of his inauguration vs. unbiased photos of Trump's inauguration. The best I see are ones like  from Al Jazeera that show at least a few hundred people but no scale beyond that. Not sure why no one is taking photos from like, balconies. I also did not find any large-scale photos of pro-government demonstrations. The equivalent video from the above photo doesn't show that much more scale, except that they are in the middle of the crowd when they took that photo (above) and not at the edge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvO4NaiVsS0&t=111s
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the situation in cuba atm is pretty bad - i haven't seen any substance to claims that people are literally starving, but it's definitely getting harder and harder to get consumer items. protests are to be expected, and it's not unreasonable to report on them as they're so unusual. they are, however, extremely overcovered to a degree which frankly seems deliberate, and from what i've seen the government has handled this like governments normally handle unexpected/illegal protests, i.e. with relatively moderate force - i feel pretty certain that we would've heard of it had there been a real crackdown. e. re: the picture thing i don't think drones are much of a Thing in cuba. it's easy to forget just how tight the embargo is for some goods, and i have a hard time seeing the cash-strapped government making drone imports a priority
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V. Illych L. posted:the situation in cuba atm is pretty bad - i haven't seen any substance to claims that people are literally starving, but it's definitely getting harder and harder to get consumer items. protests are to be expected, and it's not unreasonable to report on them as they're so unusual. they are, however, extremely overcovered to a degree which frankly seems deliberate, and from what i've seen the government has handled this like governments normally handle unexpected/illegal protests, i.e. with relatively moderate force - i feel pretty certain that we would've heard of it had there been a real crackdown. Consider too the massive coverage one protestor dying got compared to the two dozen who were killed by American police during the Floyd protests.
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the floyd protests were also covered intensely and were much, much bigger tbf a more pertinent contrast would be the stuff that's been going down in colombia recently
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V. Illych L. posted:the situation in cuba atm is pretty bad - i haven't seen any substance to claims that people are literally starving, but it's definitely getting harder and harder to get consumer items. protests are to be expected, and it's not unreasonable to report on them as they're so unusual. they are, however, extremely overcovered to a degree which frankly seems deliberate, and from what i've seen the government has handled this like governments normally handle unexpected/illegal protests, i.e. with relatively moderate force - i feel pretty certain that we would've heard of it had there been a real crackdown. Yeah, but there are real journalists there too like Al Jazeera using professional video equipment. Maybe even professional journalists can't get a drone license there. There are also a couple four-story apartment buildings just in front of the Havana Capitol and a lot of two-floor buildings, so even taken from that elevation with a panorama would give a more complete sense of scale. I would say it's suspicious that there are no real wide angle/higher elevation shots, but I also don't see anything from the pro-government side that is taken with a wide angle from above either. But yeah I also suspect it's no more than a few thousand people protesting in Havana, max, and maybe less. If they were truly huge protests I'm sure someone would have figured out how to get on top of a building to take a photograph.
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Saladman posted:Yeah, but there are real journalists there too like Al Jazeera using professional video equipment. Maybe even professional journalists can't get a drone license there. yes, i agree with this - the lack of such shots seems to reflect a relatively low degree of mobilisation in general. if nothing else, the government should've been able to scrounge up a vanity photograph if they could get ~10000 people for a counterdemo. it's been going pretty quickly, so maybe the sides will get more organised in the coming days
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One of the effects of the blockade has been to make it very difficult for Cuba to buy medical equipment, which is hampering their covid response. If you actually want to help Cubans, here's a link to donate for them to buy syringes: https://ghpartners.org/syringes4cuba/
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Saladman posted:You're probably right but how do you know it was "dwarfed" by the pro-rallies, when it's not even clear how many anti-government protestors there were? I did not see any large-scale photos (e.g. aerial or from tall apartment buildings) that show the scale, like you would see in Venezuela before Maduro sealed his reign, where every shot of the anti-government protestors was taken from a drone and showed wall-to-wall people for miles, and all the pro-government shots would be like photos taken from right inside a "crowd" so you could not see more than a couple dozen people, kind of like the Trump admin's photos of his inauguration vs. unbiased photos of Trump's inauguration. Well, there is Western media repeatedly using a photo of a shot pro government rally as if it were of an anti government rally, along with using photos of rallies in the US, to say nothing of people on social media trying to pass off photos of protests in other countries as if they are in Cuba. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1415024072543592454?s=20 It seems to be more than an honest mistake, in some cases: https://twitter.com/moonsailor2020/status/1415087145283358721?s=20
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