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Orange Devil posted:Did he have this political viewpoint already before he had his own business and presumably staff he had to ensure he was in compliance with or did this opinion spontaneously form the second he started perceiving it as costing him money? I didn't know him prior, and the closest to a straight answer I can get on that is "my worldview matured over the years".
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It's the Greg Abbott story. Some negligent property owner's tree falls over in a rainstorm and crushes Abbott's back, he sues for a huge settlement that makes him a millionaire, and now that he's the rich guy with rich guy friends with something to lose he lobbies for tort reform laws that make so someone in his circumstances today would get hosed. Became state AG then governor and had wheelchair ramps installed in his offices at public expense yet fights in court to avoid providing public accommodations to other disabled people because it would cost the state money. Anyway if you want to piss off your friend tell him he should pay his old boss back his OSHA settlement with interest because it was wrong of him to use an immoral law to shake down his former employer for wisely disregarding employee health and safety to save a little money for the business
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't really understand, especially the part where just having the right doesn't mean you have to. There's always been the "pick me!" types, partly because people aren't a monolith and partly there will always be people who care more about attention and personal benefits over solidarity. It's how you get people like Diamond and Silk, Candace Owens, etc. Brawnfire posted:You know, somehow all that city building and culture construction feels pretty distant when the drive belt is pulling the flesh off my hand bones VitalSigns posted:It's the Greg Abbott story. Some negligent property owner's tree falls over in a rainstorm and crushes Abbott's back, he sues for a huge settlement that makes him a millionaire, and now that he's the rich guy with rich guy friends with something to lose he lobbies for tort reform laws that make so someone in his circumstances today would get hosed. Or Mitch McConnell, polio baby against healthcare. Or Craig T. Nelson, who never got any help when he was on food stamps (so why should anyone else get food stamps) Or every rich person and corporation against government handouts (to anyone not a rich person or giant corporation) gently caress You; Got Mine: the philosophy!
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Jul 13, 2021 15:56
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It works for me because I'm done caring!
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DarkHorse posted:There's always been the "pick me!" types, partly because people aren't a monolith and partly there will always be people who care more about attention and personal benefits over solidarity. It's how you get people like Diamond and Silk, Candace Owens, etc. are food stamps not help?
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Jul 13, 2021 16:31
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:are food stamps not help? Chuds are always able to find it in their hearts to make exceptions/find the necessary cognitive dissonance for themselves or people they like. It's only abusing the system when other people do it.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:are food stamps not help? That's why Nelson got roundly mocked for saying it, yes.
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My mom believes food assistance should be a block of cheese like when she got it Anything more, like, modern and intelligent like giving people money is bad though
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Brawnfire posted:My mom believes food assistance should be a block of cheese like when she got it Remember being on government assistance is a bad thing and people need to be shamed as much as possible so they stop getting government assistance and get a job at McDonald's
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Medullah posted:Remember being on government assistance is a bad thing and people need to be shamed as much as possible so they stop getting government assistance and get a job at McDonald's where will the 15yo work then?? 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:where will the 15yo work then?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J1Yz_RNzJ4&t=29s
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Medullah posted:Remember being on government assistance is a bad thing and people need to be shamed as much as possible so they stop getting government assistance and get a job at McDonald's You know a system works good when someone gets a job and is still on food assistance because the job pays nothing, so they still pay negative taxes but they are making profits for a private corporation
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DarkHorse posted:There's always been the "pick me!" types, partly because people aren't a monolith and partly there will always be people who care more about attention and personal benefits over solidarity. It's how you get people like Diamond and Silk, Candace Owens, etc. Rush Limbaugh doesn't tell his listeners "hey you shouldn't even be allowed to vote, let millionaires handle that for you" either because that would give the game away. No matter how rich or how bought they are, people like Ben Carson and Candace Owens know they still aren't really in the club and if voting rights and desegregation were repealed their wealth wouldn't protect them from a Jim Crow government. Just from a practical standpoint, if black people couldn't vote and whites were proud of being racist again, why would elites need to keep funding Diamond and Silk? Their two roles are convincing black people to vote against themselves and reassuring white racists that they aren't being racist, no need for that if Jim Crow is back. I think anti-suffragette stuff is different because due to family connections some wealthy women really will have shared economic interests with wealthy men that override their interest in their own personal civil rights. Women can't really be redlined or herded into ghettos, their sons aren't going to be discriminated against because their mother was a women etc. If a woman is the wife or daughter of a wealthy industrialist she's not threatened by reactionary politics the way poor women or all black people are (she can still get an abortion even if they're illegal, she doesn't need a job, if she's bored and wants one anyway she can get on a charity board or have an exception made for her and get a sinecure from a relative etc), but poor women voting are a direct threat to her economic interests. Not all rich women, there's plenty of rich women who still want careers in their own right, just saying that because of the unique dynamics it's 'rational' for some women to be anti-suffragette (if she's an rear end in a top hat), whereas it's pretty much never going to be rational for a black person to support legalized discrimination since there's no chance of them gaining more than they lose.
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Conservatism, at least in my family, always comes down to "the wrong people [browner than me] will get help". Being well-off isn't good enough for them. They have to see people suffer.
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The Islamic Shock posted:Conservatism, at least in my family, always comes down to "the wrong people [browner than me] will get help". Yep. Queue up that quote about how a conservative will gladly live in a box under a bridge roasting pigeons on a rusty piece of rebar as long as they're promised that the black guy next door doesn't even get the rebar.
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If he's not gonna work he shouldn't get hot pigeon!
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Devorum posted:I didn't know him prior, and the closest to a straight answer I can get on that is "my worldview matured over the years". So, "After I got MY money and benefited from regulation" then Checks out. Just gonna grab this ladder here and pull it up.... cut the tines on this safety net here... Aaannnnnddd...we're good. Edgar Allen Ho posted:are food stamps not help? Well, they help you buy a lot of steak and lobster. Or so I've been told. VitalSigns posted:
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lmao i just remembered rush is dead (didn't cross my mind the first time I read the reference to him)
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Asbestos is the best fire safety material we have. Miners were just whiners. I should be able to smoke indoors all I want. Don't like it, work elsewhere. Least tragic lung death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TxzJ8EGDPQ
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The Islamic Shock posted:Conservatism, at least in my family, always comes down to "the wrong people [browner than me] will get help". I do think a class lens is vital here too. They still dont want poor whites getting it either.
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CuddleCryptid posted:You know a system works good when someone gets a job and is still on food assistance because the job pays nothing, so they still pay negative taxes but they are making profits for a private corporation Also rocks when you do get a job and wind up making less money because you lose your benefits
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Almost like the vaccine cards are provided for free!
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Joke's on them. America actually is a ground war. Have they not seen how armed we are and the rate at which we're killing each other?
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tek79 posted:Joke's on them. America actually is a ground war. Have they not seen how armed we are and the rate at which we're killing each other? Obviously that's just gangbangers, lone wolves, false flags, Antifa, and MS-13, all of which are isolated incidents until I need them to be mass anarchy in order to support my next incompatible position.
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We basically HAVE voter ID cards already. They're called voter registration cards and you have to prove who you are, where you live and sign the fucker at the Supervisor of Elections office. I've never once been asked to provide mine and stopped pulling it out a long time ago since the poll workers didn't need/want it.
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tek79 posted:Joke's on them. America actually is a ground war. Have they not seen how armed we are and the rate at which we're killing each other? Not to mention places like Hungary in 1848 were armed to the teeth enough to do an (actual) well-organized militia and didn't save them from getting utterly stomped as soon as the army of Russia glanced at the Habsburgs and decided "eh, better than these revolutionaries." And the Tsar did not have an air force. New national holiday: we all go to the beach and praise Poseidon that the Atlantic and Pacific have saved us from ground war not started by traitorous slavers Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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A few months ago, the novelization of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was making the rounds on Twitter. The ending had Brad Pitt's character think that, if the US were invaded, despite having a ton of guns, most Americans would call the cops for help. Then, after realizing help wasn't coming, fall in line like the bitch made people we are. This made me think of that.
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so whose gonna be the invading force in the tyool 2021? also never mind that 2020 stay at home
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Lysandus posted:Found this poo poo making the rounds on some family's facebooks. Uhg I thought I was in the meme thread. Was about to yikes
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gotta pretend these people wouldn't have voted for the camps adorable little girls like this were forced into after pearl harbor. edit: someone edit me together a "she owes us an apology for the alamo" meme.
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Maybe if white people stopped attaching themselves to a nation-state granting reparations to an historically wronged segment of its populace, they wouldn't feel so affronted by it Redressing a wrong done by America isn't an apology by white folks for anything by any metric
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This absurd notion always frustrates me. The US wasn't invaded in recent history the same reason Canada hasn't: its loving huge and most of it is open space. The logistics and time it would take to occupy the US would frankly be impossible for most nations to attempt. Its the same reason Russia hasnt been successfully occupied in a land war. The only reason people TRIED with Russia is there wasnt an ocean blocking the way.
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PhazonLink posted:so whose gonna be the invading force in the tyool 2021? I don't know but it's not going to be a conventional force I don't think. All the guns in the world aren't going to stop cyber attacks that cripple banks and knock out huge swaths of infrastructure.
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RagnarokAngel posted:This absurd notion always frustrates me. The US wasn't invaded in recent history the same reason Canada hasn't: its loving huge and most of it is open space. The logistics and time it would take to occupy the US would frankly be impossible for most nations to attempt. It's also because we have 2 massive oceans on either side of us. Getting an invading force here would be a nightmare.
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