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Telsa Cola posted:Pandas will also absolutely murder and eat the gently caress out of small animals, they just don't do it super often. Lotsa animals will do that given the chance
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feedmegin posted:Also, y'know, France. France or not, Britain is thought to have had a shot at destroying the Continental Army. Whether said shot actually really existed is subject to intense debate, but France wasn't the deciding factor in that one.
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Gaius Marius posted:Lotsa animals will do that given the chance I saw a cow eat a baby bird once
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These forums taught me that nearly all herbivores can be opportunistic predators.
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Telsa Cola posted:Pandas will also absolutely murder and eat the gently caress out of small animals, they just don't do it super often. I honestly wonder if pandas would do better in zoos if they were fed more meat.
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Tunicate posted:I honestly wonder if pandas would do better in zoos if they were fed more meat. Imo the whole panda sex thing is super dumb because its actually fairly to incredibly difficult to get a poo poo ton of species to breed in captivity and somehow everyone fixated on Pandas (Well its because they are big strongly colored bears)
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Tunicate posted:I honestly wonder if pandas would do better in zoos if they were fed more meat. Well, the fertility problem was due to them not being allowed/disincentiveized to fight and be aggressive, so maybe let them hunt and kill small animals would work a bit too.
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Telsa Cola posted:Imo the whole panda sex thing is super dumb because its actually fairly to incredibly difficult to get a poo poo ton of species to breed in captivity and somehow everyone fixated on Pandas (Well its because they are big strongly colored bears) it's because they're a propaganda arm of a world power
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Gaius Marius posted:I know your joking but bringing in Invasive species to combat another invasive species has historically been an absolutely awful idea
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Scarodactyl posted:Not always. Occasionally it works, like spreading milky spore to kill japanese beetle larvae. Though those are cases where they actually remember to check that the new species they're introducing is actually the predator of the one they want to get rid of Telsa Cola posted:Imo the whole panda sex thing is super dumb because its actually fairly to incredibly difficult to get a poo poo ton of species to breed in captivity and somehow everyone fixated on Pandas (Well its because they are big strongly colored bears) Reminds me that apparently lions breed so well in captivity that zoos give them contraceptives.
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Zopotantor posted:The printing press, which was invented a few decades before Luther put up his theses, and which allowed them to be spread widely before they could be suppressed. And more widely speaking, the invention of the printing press means there's more printed material (in general), which means more people learn to read (because now they have something they can afford to read), which means you have a much larger group of people engaged in this sort of conversation over a wider area - you can see this cropping up later in e.g. the English Civil War where both sides are writing zillions of pamphlets attacking the other. If you have to be rich to own a book, only rich people will bother to learn. Overall literacy stats are pretty low in the Early Modern - but bear in mind most people still live in rural areas. They don't read, or need to read, and generally it takes til like the early 20th century before literacy is common - but in the cities, most people above, like, beggar status (apprentices etc) either can read or have a buddy who can. And the cities are where politics happens, to a first approximation noone cares about peasants.
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The United States of Northern and Southern Neokaliforniya, 2187: economy on the rise as hunting licenses for the culling of pandas and koalas bring in massive tourism
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Zudgemud posted:Well, the fertility problem was due to them not being allowed/disincentiveized to fight and be aggressive, so maybe let them hunt and kill small animals would work a bit too. Another choice is to just have a little Amok Time setup for them
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cheetah7071 posted:it's because they're a propaganda arm of a world power Yeah the WWF
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Thanks to whoever recommended the Pompeii book, i've been reading it and it's great we need to bring back the big swingin' dick mosaic
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Telsa Cola posted:Imo the whole panda sex thing is super dumb because its actually fairly to incredibly difficult to get a poo poo ton of species to breed in captivity and somehow everyone fixated on Pandas (Well its because they are big strongly colored bears) you'd be amazed at how many zoos have teams dedicated to giving various animals handies, complete with reward conditioning so they, uh, willingly avail themselves of the designated enclosure glory hole.
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the pandas thing is the combination of tough to get to breed, only having 1-2 cubs that are ridiculously vulnerable compared to many other species, and refusing to eat anything other than the least nutrient dense food possible
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WoodrowSkillson posted:refusing to eat anything other than the least nutrient dense food possible Which is why we need to feed pandas delicious steaks, and give them a taste for flesh. 
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In fairness to pandas, the number of wildlife documentaries I've seen where some predator walks 1,000,000 km in a day to gently caress up a vague chance at catching and eating a tiny herbavore or two, I'd also be sitting down and chowing on the glorified grass that is RIGHT THERE and that isn't RUNNING AWAY.
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Elissimpark posted:In fairness to pandas, the number of wildlife documentaries I've seen where some predator walks 1,000,000 km in a day to gently caress up a vague chance at catching and eating a tiny herbavore or two, I'd also be sitting down and chowing on the glorified grass that is RIGHT THERE and that isn't RUNNING AWAY. but like, also eat roots, or berries, or ANYTHING else
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WoodrowSkillson posted:but like, also eat roots, or berries, or ANYTHING else Aren't their digestive systems so absurdly short they literally can't eat any other plants because their gut microbiology is hyperspecialized to process only bamboo?
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Yes, they are a species trying to cash their own evolutionary ticket
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We should just genetically engineer pandas to be much hornier and eat literally anything. Either that or let them go extinct. They're trying really hard to
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It's hard to blame people for wanting to preserve any species given what we're doing to the environment, but yeah, pandas were likely not long for this world whether or not humans were around.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's hard to blame people for wanting to preserve any species given what we're doing to the environment, but yeah, pandas were likely not long for this world whether or not humans were around.
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Fuschia tude posted:Aren't their digestive systems so absurdly short they literally can't eat any other plants because their gut microbiology is hyperspecialized to process only bamboo? yeah the microbiome version of "stop making that face or it's gonna get stuck that way"
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feedmegin posted:And more widely speaking, the invention of the printing press means there's more printed material (in general), which means more people learn to read (because now they have something they can afford to read), which means you have a much larger group of people engaged in this sort of conversation over a wider area - you can see this cropping up later in e.g. the English Civil War where both sides are writing zillions of pamphlets attacking the other. If you have to be rich to own a book, only rich people will bother to learn. romans didn't have the printing press, but literacy rates were still high, even among poorer people who couldn't afford to buy books themselves
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Literacy isn’t just the written word and also the romans were prolific writers with paint, inscriptions, scrolls, and their wax tablets
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I still can't believe how bad almost every ancient education system was.
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Lawman 0 posted:I still can't believe how bad almost every ancient education system was. I mean, one dude figures out how to effectively teach someone things, BAM Persia = Conquered
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Fuschia tude posted:Aren't their digestive systems so absurdly short they literally can't eat any other plants because their gut microbiology is hyperspecialized to process only bamboo? I'm pretty sure they were originally carnivores, hence the short digestive tract. Also, bamboo is easier to spot than tiny berries or hidden roots.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I mean, one dude figures out how to effectively teach someone things, BAM Persia = Conquered Geometry can be really relevant to logistics. Even to basic things like crossing rivers, estimating distances or heights etc.
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euphronius posted:Vocational education seemed to have been really good Apprenticeship has always been a great education model as long as you don't mind some pretty exploitative power dynamics.
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Elissimpark posted:I'm pretty sure they were originally carnivores, hence the short digestive tract. Well, sure, they are phylogenetically bears. But "originally" in this case means "more than 7 million years ago", before even the divergence between gorillas and hominins. Pandas were omnivorous at least 7 mya, and herbivorous for roughly the last third of that span. So they are extremely well-adapted to this diet, having been forest-dwellers that eat nothing but bamboo for literally millions of years now. If the diet alone was such a death sentence, you'd think it would have happened at some point over the last 2+ million years they have been eating exclusively bamboo.
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Lawman 0 posted:I still can't believe how bad almost every ancient education system was. Honestly, I've always been more surprised by how good ancient education systems seem to have been; I guess it depends on your point of comparison. I think it's generally agreed that literacy rates were higher than in the Middle Ages in many areas, and at the elite level there was poetry and philosophy being produced that's still well-regarded to varying degrees. For that matter, even education in the Middle Ages was pretty good compared to the popular view of the Middle Ages today.
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Everything I've read about Roman education sounds largely the same as what I observed working as a teacher in South Korea and China. Classrooms instead of tutors and fewer beatings, otherwise not a lot different. (Not to disagree with the bad judgement--I'm not a fan of the education systems over there either)
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Tias posted:France or not, Britain is thought to have had a shot at destroying the Continental Army. Whether said shot actually really existed is subject to intense debate, but France wasn't the deciding factor in that one. France and Spain won in the American revolution and the Napoleonic Wars are the only reason the British never launched a reconquest which everyone expected at the time.
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