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UP THE BUM NO BABY: Sep 1, 2011; by Hand Knit

Love to turn my imperialism inward and become fascistic

# ? Jul 13, 2021 20:29

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 06:45

Thwomp: Apr 10, 2003; BA-DUHHH; Grimey Drawer

Sergg posted:

Generalplan Ost, Nazi Germany's long-term plan for colonizing Eastern Europe, lists the percentage of each ethnic group to be exterminated and subsequently all surviving Slavic peoples were to be turned into illiterate chattel slaves circa the Antebellum South. Simple road signs and pictographs would be used to communicate to the slaves where bars, taverns, stores, etc. were. The land would be settled by agrarian German farmers using slave labor of the locals.

But there�s a difference in a social and economic structure based on slavery/racial caste system and a political system that finds a use for undesirable populations in slave labor.

I know, it�s a fine distribution. But fascism is a political philosophy and everything flows from that philosophy.

The early United States (mostly the South but also defacto in the North) had sectors of the economy based upon the labor of enslaved peoples. And the political system of the early US didn�t mandate slavery (though it was allowed via the 3/5ths compromise and the slave trade clause). The US outgrew it eventually (though it took a civil war to settle it).

# ? Jul 13, 2021 20:30

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

FrozenVent posted:

While it doesn�t meet the exact dictionary of fascism, a system where the economy relies on part of the population being enslaved on the basis of their race certainly shares some characteristics.

Just because the Greeks did it doesn�t mean it�s good.

Just because it's bad doesn't mean it's fascism.

If fascism is going to mean anything other than "vaguely authoritarian leanings which I don't like," we need to be precise in our language. When conservatives call Democrats "the real fascists" it would be better to have a counterargument beyond NO U.

Fascism isn't a synonym for authoritarianism - and not all authoritarianism is the same. Stalin, Mao, Castro, Amin, Gaddafi - all authoritarians and none were fascist, or identical to each other. Hitler was a facist. Mussolini was a fascist. Franco was a fascist. Trump is a fascist.

BUG JUG posted:

yeah you're definitely wrong. fascism is an ideology born out of modernity and pluralist culture -- mainly as a reaction against it. the founders were (generally) -- despite their many, MANY issues -- Enlightenment idealists who believed that a democratic, open system was better than t he quasi-feudal one they were living under at the time. fascism would be completely foreign to them, and once it was explained to them they'd find it abhorrent.

This is a key part. Fascism basically couldn't exist in the 18th century.
Read Robert Paxton, the most definitive scholar studying the precise nature and history of fascist movements. This is his summary of what makes for fascism, though you really should read his writing for context and explanation:

quote:

- a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of traditional solutions
- the primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right
- the belief that one�s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action without legal or moral limits against its enemies
- dread of the group�s decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences
- the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possibly or exclusionary violence if necessary
- the need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group�s historic destiny
- the superiority of the leader�s instincts over abstract and universal reason
- the beauty of violence and efficacy of the will when they are devoted to the group�s success
- the right of the chosen people to dominate others without restraint from any kind of law, right being decided by the sole criterion of the group�s prowess in Darwinian struggle

The Founders were absolutely not fascist.
Trumpism is the most successful genuine American fascism movement in the country's history and it still has a good chance of winning.

Stultus Maximus fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jul 13, 2021

# ? Jul 13, 2021 20:40

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

I don�t think slavery is �vaguely� authoritarian.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 20:41

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

boop the snoot posted:

I don�t think slavery is �vaguely� authoritarian.

Freedom for me, not for thee.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:08

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

Stultus Maximus posted:

If fascism is going to mean anything other than "vaguely authoritarian leanings which I don't like," we need to be precise in our language. When conservatives call Democrats "the real fascists" it would be better to have a counterargument beyond NO U.

Herein lies the rub; Who is going to listen to our counterargument? What is the arguments use?

What is the value of not letting fascism be the word for "authoritarian unequal government who purposefully oppress select outgroups to the point of enslavement and elimination"? You already know it's going to be used that way whether you like it or not because there's a popular need for a word like it.

(Also we all know this linguistic shift happened entirely because there were less letters in "fascism" than "authoritarianistic {[x]-subtype political system}", and that's ok.)

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 13, 2021

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:11

US Berder Patrol: Jul 11, 2006; oorah

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Herein lies the rub; Who is going to listen to our counterargument? What is the arguments use?

Sartre posted:

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:21

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

BUG JUG posted:

The founders were (generally) -- despite their many, MANY issues -- Enlightenment idealists who believed that a democratic, open system was better than t he quasi-feudal one they were living under at the time.

Well I guess since they said that while owning slaves�

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:24

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

It�s important to understand the difference between different kinds of bad ideologies because they behave and react in different ways. That being said for the sake of rhetoric sometimes it�s easy to simplify.

Trump isn�t really a fascist, he�s more like Franco in just being a right wing autocrat that�s friendly with them, but it�s close enough for the sake of rhetoric. A lot of his supporters, much like Franco are fascists. But he won�t behave like a Hitler.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:27

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

�Fascism (/ˈf�ʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.�

I know we are far removed from it but that sounds exactly like the world slaves were living in.

I think people are looking at it from the slave owners perspective instead of the slave.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:28

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

Saying something isn�t fascist doesn�t mean it wasn�t equally bad or worse.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:32

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

Actual I think Von Hindenburg is a better analogy for Trump than Franco. I just don�t have a guess yet how the Hitler will be

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:36

Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

I dipped into the Hell of Presidents podcast and got my mind blown by the idea that to the founders, 'liberty' = 'property'

Went a long way to clearing up the contradictions that have always bugged me

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:57

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Best Friends posted:

I dipped into the Hell of Presidents podcast and got my mind blown by the idea that to the founders, 'liberty' = 'property'

Went a long way to clearing up the contradictions that have always bugged me

John Locke says "hi."

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:58

The Eyes Have It: Feb 10, 2008; Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

If defining Fascism is really this important to anyone, go to the library (or just buy a copy online or something) and pick up Fascism: A Very Short Introduction by Kevin Passmore. The book up front -- among other things -- lays out how genuinely difficult and troublesome it is to actually pin down a useful definition of fascism (or capital-F Fascism).

It's genuinely interesting, not long, not expensive, and it is laid out in a way that makes it easy to zero in on the elements that are useful or interesting to the reader, and equally easy to skim or skip the more academic elements that might not be.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 21:59

Lemniscate Blue: Apr 21, 2006; Here we go again.

The Eyes Have It posted:

If defining Fascism is really this important to anyone, go to the library (or just buy a copy online or something) and pick up Fascism: A Very Short Introduction by Kevin Passmore. The book up front -- among other things -- lays out how genuinely difficult and troublesome it is to actually pin down a useful definition of fascism (or capital-F Fascism).

It's genuinely interesting, not long, not expensive, and it is laid out in a way that makes it easy to zero in on the elements that are useful or interesting to the reader, and equally easy to skim or skip the more academic elements that might not be.

Umberto Eco's essay "Ur-Fascism" also goes into this difficulty, and offers a set of signifiers of fascist movements in history that can be useful as sort of like a clinical diagnostic scale: "if you said yes to more than nine of these symptoms..."

# ? Jul 13, 2021 22:15

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

Lemniscate Blue posted:

Umberto Eco's essay "Ur-Fascism" also goes into this difficulty, and offers a set of signifiers of fascist movements in history that can be useful as sort of like a clinical diagnostic scale: "if you said yes to more than nine of these symptoms..."

# ? Jul 13, 2021 22:36

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Some follow-ups! 1) This is about a day too late in the space conversation:

https://twitter.com/PoorlyAgedStuff/status/1414945726338060291

2) I don't really know what Democrats can do when Republicans are doing poo poo like this in red states and now popularizing anti-vaxx at the top of their governments. I don't know how you penetrate that level of stupid.

https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1414765736447430657

https://twitter.com/BrettKelman/status/1415023788777934850

As this is the dude that's currently Tennessee's governor:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1415035317413949441

quote:

�I believe in choice,� Stitt said, �And we�ve got six children and we don�t vaccinate, we don�t do vaccinations on all of our children. So we definitely pick and choose which ones we�re gonna do. It�s gotta be up to the parents, we can never mandate that. I think there�s legislation right now that are trying to mandate that to go to public schools, it�s absolutely wrong. My wife was home schooled, I went to public schools, our kids go to Christian school, and that�s back to a parent�s choice.�

# ? Jul 13, 2021 22:37

Lemniscate Blue: Apr 21, 2006; Here we go again.

shame on an IGA posted:

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Ha, I'd forgotten we had that smilie or I'd have mentioned it. Yeah, it did get over-referenced in D&D (I think?) for a while.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 22:42

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

My brother and his wife's family that he lives with are all solidly antivax even though they all got the rona bad in november and her died died. They love the "it's a personal choice" line and I made it clear in no uncertain terms over the course of a tense weeklong visit that I will remind them of that and then laugh at them if it works out poorly.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 22:56

bird food bathtub: Aug 9, 2003; College Slice

Public health is not a personal choice, spreading a loving plague doesn't stop at red state/blue state boundaries and it will kill people who had nothing to do with your god drat "choice".

# ? Jul 13, 2021 23:33

Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

The overuse of the word fascism to define "thing I don't like" nowadays makes me think maybe prescriptivists were right all along

# ? Jul 13, 2021 23:59

UP THE BUM NO BABY: Sep 1, 2011; by Hand Knit

Eej posted:

The overuse of the word fascism to define "thing I don't like" nowadays makes me think maybe prescriptivists were right all along

Awfully fascistic of you

# ? Jul 14, 2021 00:21

US Berder Patrol: Jul 11, 2006; oorah

unfortunately, many of the people I don't like these days are actual literal fascists

# ? Jul 14, 2021 00:23

lightpole: Jun 4, 2004; I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

The Eyes Have It posted:

If defining Fascism is really this important to anyone, go to the library (or just buy a copy online or something) and pick up Fascism: A Very Short Introduction by Kevin Passmore. The book up front -- among other things -- lays out how genuinely difficult and troublesome it is to actually pin down a useful definition of fascism (or capital-F Fascism).

It's genuinely interesting, not long, not expensive, and it is laid out in a way that makes it easy to zero in on the elements that are useful or interesting to the reader, and equally easy to skim or skip the more academic elements that might not be.

Its based on philosophical tenets and isn't necessarily objective, particularly since political systems are based on a spectrum. Creating the illusion that these systems can be classified with black and white definitions is just a tool to vilify or white wash as necessary.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 01:13

Lake of Methane: Oct 29, 2011

The Russian agency that developed Novichok and probably poisoned Navalny apparently got some equipment from a New Hampshire-based company with the same name as a Russian company that got on a US sanctions list this March.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-hampshire-firm-intertech-corporation-shipped-wmd-tech-to-russian-spies-feds-say

quote:

Feds: New Hampshire Firm Shipped WMD Tech to Russian Spies

The FBI and federal prosecutors are investigating a New Hampshire company for allegedly supplying lab equipment to Russia�s weapons of mass destruction programs, according to court documents obtained by The Daily Beast.

Warrants unsealed in federal court allege that officials at Intertech Corporation, a firm founded by Matthew Grodowski in 1990, �intentionally falsified shipping documents, avoided and circumvented export compliance regulations, and obfuscated end-users� as they sent scientific instruments to recipients in Russia. Moscow�s domestic intelligence and security agency, the Federal Security Service (FSB), was reportedly among the recipients of Intertech�s shipments, according to a search warrant application.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 01:20

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

Sounds like a bunch of disruptophobes at the FBI

# ? Jul 14, 2021 01:34

PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

Trump isn't paid up on his fascism membership dues and never read any of their zines anyway

# ? Jul 14, 2021 04:04

Abongination: Aug 18, 2010; Life, it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.; Pillbug

Seems like a bunch of poo poo going down in South Africa.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-14/south-africa-riots-stampede/100291104

# ? Jul 14, 2021 04:09

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

I just saw 72 dead, it's big

# ? Jul 14, 2021 04:22

Wasabi the J: Jan 23, 2008; MOM WAS RIGHT

facialimpediment posted:

As this is the dude that's currently Tennessee's governor:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1415035317413949441

Yeah just write, "I believe in choice..."

# ? Jul 14, 2021 04:26

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Eej posted:

The overuse of the word fascism to define "thing I don't like" nowadays makes me think maybe prescriptivists were right all along

I bolded the part that everyone likes, but the whole thing is worth reading.

Orwell, 1944 posted:

OF ALL the unanswered questions of our time, perhaps the most important is: �What is Fascism?�
One of the social survey organizations in America recently asked this question of a hundred different people, and got answers ranging from �pure democracy� to �pure diabolism�. In this country if you ask the average thinking person to define Fascism, he usually answers by pointing to the German and Italian r�gimes. But this is very unsatisfactory, because even the major Fascist states differ from one another a good deal in structure and ideology.

It is not easy, for instance, to fit Germany and Japan into the same framework, and it is even harder with some of the small states which are describable as Fascist. It is usually assumed, for instance, that Fascism is inherently warlike, that it thrives in an atmosphere of war hysteria and can only solve its economic problems by means of war preparation or foreign conquests. But clearly this is not true of, say, Portugal or the various South American dictatorships. Or again, antisemitism is supposed to be one of the distinguishing marks of Fascism; but some Fascist movements are not antisemitic. Learned controversies, reverberating for years on end in American magazines, have not even been able to determine whether or not Fascism is a form of capitalism. But still, when we apply the term �Fascism� to Germany or Japan or Mussolini�s Italy, we know broadly what we mean. It is in internal politics that this word has lost the last vestige of meaning. For if you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people�certainly no political party or organized body of any kind�which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years. Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term �Fascist�. I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words �Fascist in sympathy�, or �of Fascist tendency�, or just plain �Fascist�, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:

Conservatives: All Conservatives, appeasers or anti-appeasers, are held to be subjectively pro-Fascist. British rule in India and the Colonies is held to be indistinguishable from Nazism. Organizations of what one might call a patriotic and traditional type are labelled crypto-Fascist or �Fascist-minded�. Examples are the Boy Scouts, the Metropolitan Police, M.I.5, the British Legion. Key phrase: �The public schools are breeding-grounds of Fascism�.

Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930�35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.

Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet r�gimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a �Fascist country�. Again from a different angle this is echoed by Anarchists and Trotskyists.

Trotskyists: Communists charge the Trotskyists proper, i.e. Trotsky�s own organization, with being a crypto-Fascist organization in Nazi pay. This was widely believed on the Left during the Popular Front period. In their ultra-Right phases the Communists tend to apply the same accusation to all factions to the Left of themselves, e.g. Common Wealth or the I.L.P.

Catholics: Outside its own ranks, the Catholic Church is almost universally regarded as pro-Fascist, both objectively and subjectively;

War resisters: Pacifists and others who are anti-war are frequently accused not only of making things easier for the Axis, but of becoming tinged with pro-Fascist feeling.

Supporters of the war: War resisters usually base their case on the claim that British imperialism is worse than Nazism, and tend to apply the term �Fascist� to anyone who wishes for a military victory. The supporters of the People�s Convention came near to claiming that willingness to resist a Nazi invasion was a sign of Fascist sympathies. The Home Guard was denounced as a Fascist organization as soon as it appeared. In addition, the whole of the Left tends to equate militarism with Fascism. Politically conscious private soldiers nearly always refer to their officers as �Fascist-minded� or �natural Fascists�. Battle-schools, spit and polish, saluting of officers are all considered conducive to Fascism. Before the war, joining the Territorials was regarded as a sign of Fascist tendencies. Conscription and a professional army are both denounced as Fascist phenomena.

Nationalists: Nationalism is universally regarded as inherently Fascist, but this is held only to apply to such national movements as the speaker happens to disapprove of. Arab nationalism, Polish nationalism, Finnish nationalism, the Indian Congress Party, the Muslim League, Zionism, and the I.R.A. are all described as Fascist but not by the same people.

It will be seen that, as used, the word �Fascism� is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley�s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the r�gimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if �Fascist� means �in sympathy with Hitler�, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word �Fascist� in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By �Fascism� they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept �bully� as a synonym for �Fascist�. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one�not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 06:23

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1415065461562167296?s=20

I'll take the pornography definition for fascism since it's a huge semantics can of worms.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 11:20

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Right now, we've been lucky that the hypercontagious Delta variant has outcompeted all of the other variants, including some that had higher-than-expected vaccine evasion. The Israel study on Delta's evasion properties pretty much seems like an outlier at this point possibly due to numerator/denominator stuff (a lot are vaccinated!):

https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1413744552066834436?s=19

So if you're travelling or living in the southern states where covid is a hoax and vaccination rates are poo poo, probably wouldn't be a bad idea to wear a mask. It'll definitely be a terrible fall, but we'll see if it's a bad summer too when the heat sends everyone inside.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Jul 14, 2021

# ? Jul 14, 2021 13:05

Thwomp: Apr 10, 2003; BA-DUHHH; Grimey Drawer

gently caress.

I�ve got in-laws in GA and, aside from my two brothers-in-law, the rest are all unvaccinated. Most are just like apathetic to the vaccination but my father-in-law is very �come what may� (not in a negative way. He�s approaching 70, had a tough life, and found spirituality about 15 years ago).

It�s infuriating, especially for my wife. She just wants to see her family and wants them to be safe but most of them are being ridiculous.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 13:23

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

I still wear a mask in my heavily vaccinated area. I�ve started letting myself go without it outdoors sometimes but indoors it�s still mandatory for me.

and you have a better chance of seeing Donald Trump do a sit-up than you do seeing me go to a red state right now.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 13:25

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

Thwomp posted:

gently caress.

I�ve got in-laws in GA and, aside from my two brothers-in-law, the rest are all unvaccinated. Most are just like apathetic to the vaccination but my father-in-law is very �come what may� (not in a negative way. He�s approaching 70, had a tough life, and found spirituality about 15 years ago).

It�s infuriating, especially for my wife. She just wants to see her family and wants them to be safe but most of them are being ridiculous.

The good news is, the delta variant doesn't really seem to have mRNA vaccine resistance. Essentially 100% of cases and deaths right now are people who refuse to get the shot.

It sucks having family that won't get the shot, though. My step-mom, despite watching my father nearly die, is a skeptic and is unvaccinated.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 13:35

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Mr. Nice! posted:

The good news is, the delta variant doesn't really seem to have mRNA vaccine resistance.

The Lambda variant, though... =/

# ? Jul 14, 2021 13:54

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The Lambda variant, though... =/

Isn't spreading because of how prevalent the delta spread is.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 14:08

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 06:45

ASAPI: Apr 20, 2007; I invented the line.

facialimpediment posted:

Right now, we've been lucky that the hypercontagious Delta variant has outcompeted all of the other variants, including some that had higher-than-expected vaccine evasion. The Israel study on Delta's evasion properties pretty much seems like an outlier at this point possibly due to numerator/denominator stuff (a lot are vaccinated!):

https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1413744552066834436?s=19

So if you're travelling or living in the southern states where covid is a hoax and vaccination rates are poo poo, probably wouldn't be a bad idea to wear a mask. It'll definitely be a terrible fall, but we'll see if it's a bad summer too when the heat sends everyone inside.

I'm seeing this play out locally. One county has hit their vaccination goal, the county bordering to the north has not. The northern county elevated their 'rona tracker risk level within 2 weeks of detecting the delta variant.

It's going to be really interesting come election time when a significant portion of one party is either dead or in some COVID death ward because they refused to take a vaccine.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 14:25

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