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Madkal posted:Ah I see it now. In that case I look forward to complete misery porn and mass genocides this book will be about. He believes in write what you know!
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Madkal posted:Ah I see it now. In that case I look forward to complete misery porn and mass genocides this book will be about. 
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Me in a few months: "You're telling me he did what with G'nort?" Actually... now that I look closer... Hm.
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Not to defend a guy who almost certainly tortured people, but isn't there an interview where he had a basic outline for Heroes in Crisis and DC flat out told him "Make Wally West the murderer."
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Yep. It was posted earlier but here it is againTom King posted:As I've said many times before, I don't pick the characters for my story; I give my plot to the editors and then the editors pick the characters for me. So I told them in the beginning, "this is what it's going to be — it's going to be about one hero who's made a mistake and it's going to be about the two heroes that get framed for that mistake." And they said, "okay, it's Booster, Harley, and Wally, those are the three characters."
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Jul 10, 2021 12:35
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MonsterEnvy posted:That's still not great. It's terrible, but it means Tom King doesn't have a specific agenda against Wally.
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Jul 10, 2021 15:30
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Skwirl posted:It's terrible, but it means Tom King doesn't have a specific agenda against Wally. I don't think anyone thought he did. Well minus that he picked Wally to be the murderer out of the characters he was given.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don't think anyone thought he did. Well minus that he picked Wally to be the murderer out of the characters he was given. I don't think DC would have let him make Harley the murderer given everything else they've been doing with her the past however long (plus that'd be a dumb story, former Joker henchwoman/paramour turns out to be a multiple murderer of superheroes?) and it's not like it'd be better if it was Booster.
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Skwirl posted:I don't think DC would have let him make Harley the murderer given everything else they've been doing with her the past however long (plus that'd be a dumb story, former Joker henchwoman/paramour turns out to be a multiple murderer of superheroes?) and it's not like it'd be better if it was Booster. Agreed.
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maybe tom king should write actual stories specific to certain characters and not just write generic plots and have editorial hand him characters to make them about????
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Skwirl posted:It's terrible, but it means Tom King doesn't have a specific agenda against Wally. No but DC/Didio clearly do/did.
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Didio suggested Mister Miracle. King was leaning more towards doing an Atomic Knights story.
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Alaois posted:maybe tom king should write actual stories specific to certain characters and not just write generic plots and have editorial hand him characters to make them about???? It's pretty common for comics writers to be told what characters they can and cannot use for various pitches. Despite what Bendis claims I refuse to believe Alias wasn't originally supposed to be a Jessica Carpenter series. King may have had different heroes in mind when he made the pitch and then DC said "We love the concept, but make it these three instead." Emma Frost only has the diamond transformation thing because Grant Morrison was told they couldn't use Colossus and they wanted a heavy. Given her impact on the last 20 years of X titles I can't imagine what they would have looked like if he'd been allowed to resurrect Colossus.
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If Cyclops had hosed Colossus in 2001 we'd all be a lot better off today.
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New thread title
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Bozhe moi.
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Skwirl posted:It's pretty common for comics writers to be told what characters they can and cannot use for various pitches. Despite what Bendis claims I refuse to believe Alias wasn't originally supposed to be a Jessica Carpenter series. King may have had different heroes in mind when he made the pitch and then DC said "We love the concept, but make it these three instead." Emma Frost only has the diamond transformation thing because Grant Morrison was told they couldn't use Colossus and they wanted a heavy. Given her impact on the last 20 years of X titles I can't imagine what they would have looked like if he'd been allowed to resurrect Colossus. 1) Bendis is all over the place in interviews, but even if he had ideas for a Jessica Drew series, by the time he was actually writing Alias it had progressed away from that into a Jessica Jones series. Watchmen was supposed to be a Charlton heroes series before Moore/Wein/etc. mutually agreed it should be its own thing. Pitches get reworked all of the time, GI Joe was supposed to be a Nick Fury/SHIELD revamp, Speedball was going to be a New Universe character, Dazzler was going to be the fifth member of X-Factor, not Jean Grey. Plans changed. This doesn't make Madeline Pryor a demon-influenced clone of Dazzler, or Destro secretly a Fenris Twin. 2) Team books are even stickier, Morrison did in fact request Colossus (and Moira MacTaggart, and Storm, and Rogue) in their "Mutant Manifesto" pitch for New X-Men, and was told that the first two were dead and the second two were going to be in Claremont's book. Their pitch only gave detailed descriptions of the first seven issues, and other than having Moira play Exposition Dump in conversations with Xavier (a role more or less given to Beast) and that he wanted to kill off Rogue to a) bring in a new "Rogue" more in line with the Anna Paquin movie character and b) build to a drunken Wolverine/Gambit heart-to-heart that eventually turned into a Wolverine/Cyclops one none of the characters were given anything explicit to do in the rest of the pitch. Strictly speaking Emma Frost "replaced" Colossus in the same way Beast replaced Moira (and most of the "special class" shifted from being U-Men to actual mutants) but people always bring this up like Morrison just Ctrl-R'd all of their scripts and replaced "Colossus" with "Emma" and "Moira" with "Beast" or something. They were told they couldn't use Colossus months before their first issue came out, and before Frank Quitely did any concept art. 3) All of this seems different than how Tom King describes his pitches, which is less "I wanted to do an Avengers book with Thor, Hawkeye, Vision, and Mantis, but they told me I couldn't use Hawkeye or Vision so I reworked it to include Jocasta and Quasar instead" and more "I wanted to write a story about two heroes having an affair and killing each other and a third hero covering up the double murder and they told me I could have Wonder Man and Mockingbird kill each other and Stingray end up in jail, so I wrote that". Somebody fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Skwirl posted:Not to defend a guy who almost certainly tortured people, but isn't there an interview where he had a basic outline for Heroes in Crisis and DC flat out told him "Make Wally West the murderer." Here's a more direct interview on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOm2Z5NYBoQ At about 1:07:00 the question about HiC comes up and he goes into it. He still defends it as a premise but says the original sin of the story is it really shouldn't have used Wally because of what he represented and how many people love the character. And goes on to say "If I could go back in time I would slap the person who told me to use Wally in the face" So I'm guessing if they used some other random Titan who has the power to accidentally kill a bunch of C-listers, Roy, and Ivy (I dunno, maybe instead of being one of the casualties Kid Devil blows up, or maybe Solstice if you want to do the lightning thing still) he thinks it'd have been fine. HiC has some other problems going on with it outside of just loving Wally so hard they had to spend 3 years cleaning him up, though. He also talks about why DC always kills and maims Titans. Which is what everyone has always assumed but, hey, confirmation is nice. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Before dini, Paul kupperberg wrote a character named Jeff but is clearly Paul into zatanna's stories who was trying to fucker her. I love comic books.
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Mr Hootington posted:Before dini, Paul kupperberg wrote a character named Jeff but is clearly Paul into zatanna's stories who was trying to fucker her. I love comic books. Same with Wolfman and Donna Troy's weird beardy husband.
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Mr Hootington posted:Before dini, Paul kupperberg wrote a character named Jeff but is clearly Paul into zatanna's stories who was trying to fucker her. I love comic books.
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Edge & Christian posted:What makes you think Jeffrey Sloane is Paul Dini, besides the overlap of two people who are "trying to fucker her"? The only Paul Kupperberg Zatanna stories I can find are from 1982, a decade after other writers established Sloane/Zatanna were dating, and when Paul Dini was 24, not working in comics, and presumably didn't look like a late-40s Marc Maron. You are right. Jeff is a len wein self insert, paul takes over those duties, and dini just marries zatanna irl
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The real trick is that Wein was writing Zatanna as Gerry Conway, but Gerry Conway wrote Zatanna as Wolfman and Jeffrey Sloane as Bendis
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Edge & Christian posted:The real trick is that Wein was writing Zatanna as Gerry Conway, but Gerry Conway wrote Zatanna as Wolfman and Jeffrey Sloane as Bendis That's right. Comic books from the 70s to 80s was primarily about fans wanting to have sex with the characters. 90s was my dick is small,, but my muscles are huge.. 00s was about killing your idols. 10s was about truth and reconciliation but doing nothing. 20s seems to be about wanting forgiveness for committing war crimes. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Jul 13, 2021 14:40
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Ok but what about Kong and Kitty Pride in ultimate Spider-Man  Edit: I'm being facetious, btw.
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I'd like forgiveness for my war crimes
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Roth posted:I'd like forgiveness for my war crimes Sure. We're still taking you to The Hague for your crimes against fashion however.
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How Wonderful! posted:If Cyclops had hosed Colossus in 2001 we'd all be a lot better off today.
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Roth posted:I'd like forgiveness for my war crimes As IK of BSS I here absolve you of all war crimes in the light of god and all his mutants. Go in peace dear sister and make war no more.
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How Wonderful! posted:As IK of BSS I here absolve you of all war crimes in the light of god and all his mutants. Go in peace dear sister and make war no more. 
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Flash Annual was the finale for the first Flash run. It's pretty dang good. Hopefully the last chapter in the Heroes in Crisis nonsense.
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Anyone else reading Justice League last ride? For a Zdarsky book it's really bad.
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I've been meaning to check out that guy's Howard the Duck run. We need more Howard the duck runs. In my quest crying out for help, I'm going to share my Superman early 2000s reading order. Like an intervention, y'know. I'm interested in that Joe Kelly run, a Deadpool guy and whatnot, plus Ed McGuiness the other Deadpool guy is also on Loeb's Superman books around that time. And just looked like a fun time for the book, but with lots and lots of stuff I may want to skip. Plus the books crossover a lot and it's really complicated in hindsight. And I myself want to skip some of it at least, events like the Emperor Joker thing that looked boring etc. So it's probably the most complex abridged reading order ever, and I'm posting it here as a testament to dozens of hours of time spent, lots of previews and blogs looked at etc, and just pure comic induced madness. I forget the details, I did this like a year ago, haven't read it yet. That's the comic way. [Action Comics 760-762, Superman Y2K, Superman 154, Adventures of 576, Man of Steel 98, Action Comics 763-766, Superman 158, Adventures of 580, Man of Steel 102, Action Comics 767, Superman 159, Action Comics 768, (skip Emperor Joker), Action Comics 772-773, Superman 164-165, Action Comics 774-775, (skip Return to Krypton), (skip Action 777-778), Action Comics 779, Our Worlds At War (skippa a bit), Superman 174, Adventures of 596, Action Comics 783, (skip Last Laugh), Action Comics 785, Superman 177, Action Comics 786, Superman 178, Superman 181, Action Comics 787-790, 792, Superman 184, Adventures of 606, Man of Steel 128, Action Comics 793, Superman 186, Adventures of 608, Man of Steel 130, Action Comics 795, Superman 187, Adventures of 609, Man of Steel 131, Action Comics 796-797, Superman 189, Adventures of 611, Man of Steel 133, Action Comics 798-810, Superman/Batman 1-6, Action Comics 812, Adventures of 625, Superman 202, Action Comics 813, Adventures of 626, Superman 203 (Godfall)] Similarly, I think I spent more time reading blogs, listening to podcasts, and seeing which X-Men comics I'd want to skip than I have reading X-Men comics. I'm still in the 80s on X-Men. I do have OCD, so that's a factor. Actually I'm around the 80s on Superman too, was gonna read that Alan Moore stuff and a couple fun looking Curt Swan issues like v1 298 and 299. But I'm a bit out of that research phase now, can be fun though. Aiming to read more this year. Is there a comic confessions topic? Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Heavy Metal posted:Is there a comic confessions topic? No, but it sounds like a fun topic lots of people could chime in on so, good idea!
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Didios DC road map/reboot timeline "leaked" and holy poo poo does it sound terrible. https://bleedingcool.com/comics/first-time-full-dc-comics-timeline-dan-didio/
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Rhyno posted:Didios DC road map/reboot timeline "leaked" and holy poo poo does it sound terrible. I'd read it as an Elseworlds. Maybe even an Elseworlds imprint, but replacing the continuity with this is insane.
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The early 80s captain marvel stories in World's finest are entertaining. Green arrow is hit or miss.
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That seems like an insane amount of work for very little reward. Also, how have DC's YA novels been received so far, anyone know? From what I've seen of the advertising, I'm baffled as who the target audience of 'I am not Starfire' is actually meant to be. Is it a corporate 'how do you do young people' thing, or an honest attempt at new non-canon storytelling? OldMemes fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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