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The only thing that makes my job (or at least, my former job) worth doing was seeing how happy the finished product made people as they walked around and experienced everything. Tears of joy, cries of terror, wonder and amazement for millions of people.
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Super Waffle posted:The only thing that makes my job (or at least, my former job) worth doing was seeing how happy the finished product made people as they walked around and experienced everything. Tears of joy, cries of terror, wonder and amazement for millions of people. You're the goatse guy?
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Jul 15, 2021 14:14
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Super Waffle posted:So Agile only works for software development, got it. agile was originally applied to manufacturing (it was invented by one of the japanese auto companies, toyota i think) i worked as an analyst for many years in a company with an agile software dev group and, while yeah the ever-changing requirements of projects can be frustrating, it was far better than the previous waterfall alternative
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Jul 15, 2021 14:14
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Super Waffle posted:The only thing that makes my job (or at least, my former job) worth doing was seeing how happy the finished product made people as they walked around and experienced everything. Tears of joy, cries of terror, wonder and amazement for millions of people. Thank you President Trump
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Jul 15, 2021 14:14
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kumba posted:agile was originally applied to manufacturing (it was invented by one of the japanese auto companies, toyota i think) Kanban specifically was from Toyota, and it's the only "agile" approach I've implemented. It was really needed at the time and helped a lot, but then I dropped it like a hot potato when that particular project was done.
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Jul 15, 2021 14:17
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I used to be a theme park engineer, guess I'm still bitter and depressed that I didn't get hired back when the project started up 
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Jul 15, 2021 14:18
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SubnormalityStairs posted:Kanban specifically was from Toyota, and it's the only "agile" approach I've implemented. It was really needed at the time and helped a lot, but then I dropped it like a hot potato when that particular project was done. Kanban predates Agile by several decades, and you can tell, because it's actually useful and used where it should be, as opposed to Agile which is currently trendy and being used in places that it shouldn't. I don't disagree that an Agile process might work in some places, but it is currently being used completely inappropriately because it is fashionable. I am on an "Agile" project at the moment, and it is stultifyingly slow and cripplingly bureacratic, because the project we are working on is not just a pure IT problem, and is being managed by salespeople who don't really understand what Agile is supposed to look like.
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Jul 15, 2021 14:24
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My job is essentially to function as a human script function to move numbers manually between three terrible database systems that don't talk to each other. I'm constantly aware of the fact that in a sane universe my job would not and should not exist, and it definitely doesn't make me feel great about doing it. At least we moved to Office 365 during COVID so I don't have to spend half my day waiting for someone else to finish editing one of the dozens of Excel files we used that were stored on a network drive so that I can edit it. We still use Excel files for everything in ways that contravene the laws of both gods and men but at least they're in the cloud now and can be edited simultaneously by multiple people.
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Jul 15, 2021 14:28
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Imagined posted:My job is essentially to function as a human script function to move numbers manually between three terrible database systems that don't talk to each other. I'm constantly aware of the fact that in a sane universe my job would not and should not exist, and it definitely doesn't make me feel great about doing it. At least we moved to Office 365 during COVID so I don't have to spend half my day waiting for someone else to finish editing one of the dozens of Excel files we used that were stored on a network drive so that I can edit it. We still use Excel files for everything in ways that contravene the laws of both gods and men but at least they're in the cloud now and can be edited simultaneously by multiple people. Boy do I have a book recommendation for you https://www.amazon.com/Bullshit-Jobs-Theory-David-Graeber/dp/150114331X
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Jul 15, 2021 14:31
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Imagined posted:My job is essentially to function as a human script function to move numbers manually between three terrible database systems that don't talk to each other. I'm constantly aware of the fact that in a sane universe my job would not and should not exist, and it definitely doesn't make me feel great about doing it. At least we moved to Office 365 during COVID so I don't have to spend half my day waiting for someone else to finish editing one of the dozens of Excel files we used that were stored on a network drive so that I can edit it. We still use Excel files for everything in ways that contravene the laws of both gods and men but at least they're in the cloud now and can be edited simultaneously by multiple people. Hi, you and I are in the same boat. Welcome to hell with me. Except like, 80% of our stuff is not cloud enabled and the setup for the other 20% is hosed and sync failures are constant. I've offered to fix issues with our system that in a sane world would likely result in at least one job getting cut (possibly mine) because it's manual work that never needed to be manual, but my manager is so terrified of anything I do independently under another department head's direct instruction & responsibility "coming back on him" that changing the processes at all is not allowed even if I can demonstrate that I've fixed the issue and tested it in our test environment enough to find any holes in it. Nothing can change. Period. So I'm a human import script and it is seriously weighing on me by now.
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Jul 15, 2021 15:15
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satanic splash-back posted:First required day back in the office. Can't wait to sit in nearly 6 hours of meetings that were once audio only and now require me to pretend I care in person. What, if anything, would happen if you didn't show?
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Jul 15, 2021 15:18
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Hate to keep the thread on about PM methodologies but I think it's just important to note that the vast majority of companies trying to use them are doing so with 1) an incomplete understanding of how they work and 2) going against their guidelines the second they ask people to go against the way things have always been done, so the whole exercise is just meaningless. At my last job the CEO got really obsessed with SCRUM for like, three weeks and would even be tossing around a rugby ball on zoom calls to get everyone in the mood. Then we had to lay off 40% of the company, any mention of scrum was dropped entirely, and for the rest of my time there the rugby ball could be seen just abandoned in the corner of his basement. I could never not fixate on it.
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Jul 15, 2021 15:26
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Imagined posted:My job is essentially to function as a human script function to move numbers manually between three terrible database systems that don't talk to each other. I'm constantly aware of the fact that in a sane universe my job would not and should not exist, and it definitely doesn't make me feel great about doing it. At least we moved to Office 365 during COVID so I don't have to spend half my day waiting for someone else to finish editing one of the dozens of Excel files we used that were stored on a network drive so that I can edit it. We still use Excel files for everything in ways that contravene the laws of both gods and men but at least they're in the cloud now and can be edited simultaneously by multiple people. This sounds like something you could automate and then spend your "work" time playing Valorant or whatever
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Jul 15, 2021 15:30
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SubnormalityStairs posted:This sounds like something you could automate and then spend your "work" time playing Valorant or whatever Depends on the system. Mine is hamstrung by a process that requires a specific manual input to deal with errors that occur at random, potentially several dozen times, and that automation tools don't recognize the conditions for (I've tried). Sometimes it could be very straightforward to do. And of course sometimes it's like our second database where it's just completely incapable of mass entry and the UI is set up in a way where AHK or anything else won't do the job either. (I've tried to get that error fixed. The cause has been found. The solution has been found. The revised code to make the solution work is already known. I don't have admin access to the system and cannot make any serverside changes, and "getting around the 'unfixable' errors" is part of this branch's sole IT guy's "only I can do this" job security. gently caress I hate this guy.)
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Imagined posted:My job is essentially to function as a human script function to move numbers manually between three terrible database systems that don't talk to each other. I'm constantly aware of the fact that in a sane universe my job would not and should not exist, and it definitely doesn't make me feel great about doing it. At least we moved to Office 365 during COVID so I don't have to spend half my day waiting for someone else to finish editing one of the dozens of Excel files we used that were stored on a network drive so that I can edit it. We still use Excel files for everything in ways that contravene the laws of both gods and men but at least they're in the cloud now and can be edited simultaneously by multiple people. My company pays people $130K year, plus a defined pension plan (so add another ~12%), benefits (full coverage for everything), and 5 weeks vacation to start to do this job. Each department is run like a fiefdom, and gently caress you i'm not changing what software I use.
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Jul 15, 2021 15:38
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Super Waffle posted:Boy do I have a book recommendation for you You can also read his essay for free at STRIKE! https://www.strike.coop/bullshit-jobs/
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Jul 15, 2021 15:53
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Super Waffle posted:
Goddamn I feel this. When I was job-hunting it was a million 'solutions architect' and other bullshit psuedo-jobs, like 2 listings for an actual architect.
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Jul 15, 2021 16:02
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Ziv Zulander posted:For every bullshit problem you solve at work I have to deal with one elderly person who is sobbing their eyes out because they’ve lived beyond their usefulness at least they're aware of it, i've been in three meetings in the past two hours and none of them have accomplished literally anything other than fluffing some middle-management egos
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Jul 15, 2021 16:16
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SkyeAuroline posted:
Can you steal his login info somehow?
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Jul 15, 2021 18:44
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Scientastic posted:You can also read his essay for free at STRIKE! They’ve got an advertisement that redirects to a fake captcha site that tries to open a webcal:// link. IDK what happens if you open this with Adblock, probably works fine.
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Jul 15, 2021 19:19
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Machai posted:Can you steal his login info somehow? Security is one of the few things he's relatively good at. That and the several hundred miles (at least) in between. Also I don't plan to get fired over this dumb process anyway.
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Jul 15, 2021 19:23
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Tell the CFO how much money the guy is keeping the company from saving. It'll work.
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Jul 15, 2021 19:27
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Scientastic posted:You can also read his essay for free at STRIKE! Or you can read the entire book for free at Anarchist Library https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-bullshit-jobs Graeber was an anarchist and was fine with his stuff being published in full online.
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Jul 15, 2021 19:29
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:Tell the CFO how much money the guy is keeping the company from saving. Cost analysis was the first thing anyone tried to get pressure on fixing poo poo. Nothing ever came of it.
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kumba posted:agile was originally applied to manufacturing (it was invented by one of the japanese auto companies, toyota i think) I can't tell if Lean Six Sigma had become an also ran and everyone who was gonna do it has done it, or if GBS is such a concentration of computer toucher and computer toucher adjacent but there's awfully little complaints about Lean Six Sigma in here. I have warned before that if your company is changing management systems like a coat and cant commit, the problem is the company, not the systems. If you can pick one, any one, even if it doesn't have a trendy name, and stick to it you're usually a world class company just from the repeatability of everything you do.
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SkyeAuroline posted:Cost analysis was the first thing anyone tried to get pressure on fixing poo poo. Nothing ever came of it. Lmao, he must be someone's friend.
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So, we are not required to get vaccinated before going back to work. But now, if you host anyone from outside the country in your own home they want to know: 1) where they came from 2) how long they are staying for 3) where they are going after It's going over just as well as you could imagine.
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It's finally starting to set in with HR higher ups at my new company that things just can never be like they were 2 years ago for a lot of people. I was in a meeting where an ops higher up manager was talking about how he is finding out that more and more of the people on his team sold their cars.  I keep trying to tell them that if we're the company in our industry who offers the most flexibility among our competitors then we will be the magnets for all the good people that leave our competitors. Eventually it will sink in. Elephant Ambush fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Or you can read the entire book for free at Anarchist Library Graeber dying suddently of acute pancreatitis was probably the emotional low point of 2020 for me.
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Kenning posted:Graeber dying suddently of acute pancreatitis was probably the emotional low point of 2020 for me. Graeber and Michael Brooks both dying in the same year was some bullshit.
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Super Waffle posted:It was quite frustrating looking for an Engineering job and every other job posting looking for an Engineer actually meant Software or Computer Engineer. You can always split the difference and be a CAD engineer. That way you can deal with frustrating computer bullshit AND frustrating engineering bullshit!
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Bad: Covid cases rising and people getting sick Good: Still not having to go back to the office due to covid I just couldn’t stay awake today and had to sleep in until 11:00AM and then again from 1:00 to 4:00. I had my phone on and took a few calls (“No. Refresh your page. You see it now? Okay no problem, bye”) and answered a few emails but mostly slept. Thank god we don’t have to visit customers right now, just the occasional phone call. One of the worst parts of my job was having to drive out and talk to them, I pray to god we just stay 100% remote on that as a cost saving measure. AHH F/UGH fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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I share a stock cage with the inventory control specialist. More and more of his time lately is consumed by loud video meetings with various procurement personalities/c-level fucks, in which the agenda is increasingly severe variations of, "we can't reorder x part, they're out/vendor will be later than quoted/vendor isn't taking new orders/vendor has ghosted us/vendor has gone out of business and no other maker of x serves this region." I think I would have melted down about a month ago in his place, but he just keeps chugging along and does his best not to take it out on anyone else. He's a trooper for sure. On Monday the floor boss disclosed to the plant at large that we have enough differential motors to keep building all our most popular and profitable machines through August 1. The manufacturer of these motors is now quoting a 30+ week lead time for a custom engineered motor that only this manufacturer has the tools/specs to build. We're going to go under before year's end (this last is my guess, not something he said). Oh, and our owning company got bought out by "Platinum Equity" earlier this week, so there goes any hope of dying a quiet and dignified death. Manufacturing is hosed and only getting worse.
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Me again. posted:I share a stock cage with the inventory control specialist. More and more of his time lately is consumed by loud video meetings with various procurement personalities/c-level fucks, in which the agenda is increasingly severe variations of, "we can't reorder x part, they're out/vendor will be later than quoted/vendor isn't taking new orders/vendor has ghosted us/vendor has gone out of business and no other maker of x serves this region." That sucks dude, sorry to hear 
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AHH F/UGH posted:Bad: people getting sucks What kind of puritan bollocks is this? Get me some sucks asap.
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It's ok, I'm sure the equity company will do what it can to protect the business.
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Super Waffle posted:The only thing that makes my job (or at least, my former job) worth doing was seeing how happy the finished product made people as they walked around and experienced everything. Tears of joy, cries of terror, wonder and amazement for millions of people. This is what keeps me coming back to my job, is that it’s actual work. Sure, it’s got a lot of bullshit, and I’m often left feeling like I’m doing the job of two people. But at the end of the day, I’ve made sure I’ve drugged all those old folks so they can keep on living for a few more days. It may not be the most rewarding job. It may not be the most glamorous. But I keep on my feet, make $17.50 an hour, hear lots of stories from people who have lived past their prime, and proudly have no idea what the gently caress agile or a scrum master is.
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Ziv Zulander posted:This is what keeps me coming back to my job, is that it’s actual work. quote:proudly have no idea what the gently caress agile or a scrum master is. It's all well and good except for the part where you project this attitude that you feel superior to other people who don't do what you consider "actual work". Who the hell are you to decide whether other people do "actual work"? For one thing, most "actual work" couldn't exist today without the technology and finance enabled and supported by the computer touchers and administrators you think are less essential than you. It's one thing for me to come on here and say MY job is bullshit and shouldn't exist, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to someone else say it without telling them to go take a long walk off a short pier. Imagined fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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What kind of waste of a human being feels superior because they make money for their boss in a "superior" way? lmao.
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Personally I’d just rather not work period. But I know I’ll probably never be able to retire. gently caress me I guess.
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