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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Fellatio del Toro posted:if you're not bothered by the 3 door thing and don't care about having a nicer interior it rocks I kinda like the 3-door concept. Would probably like a coupe more but this is a nice compromise. Fart Car '97 posted:They're supposed to be great cars, it's just that the layout loving sucks and it's a 2+2 disguised as a hatch. Interior layout? Too cramped?
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Jul 14, 2021 03:45
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take note of the visibility too
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Jul 14, 2021 04:39
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as far as things to be wary of: - the 2019/2020 comes in a base model and performance package option that were 27k and 29k respectively. performance package gives +25hp, an electronic differential, bigger wheels, better brakes, summer performance tires, and a valved exhaust. a no brainer for the price in my opinion so make sure you know what you're getting if you buy used - the 2021+ drops the base model, gets nicer seats, and adds safety features (lane keep, blind spot warnings, etc) but bumps the price to 32k for the manual. a bit of a bummer if you don't care about the safety features because 29k was a pretty great price. the seats light up though - not aware of any major mechanical issues - on a few occasions when temps drop below zero I've had issues with the driver side door being unable to open from the outside. have to get in on the other side and open the door from there. apparently fairly common, not sure if it's fixed on the newer model - rear windshield visibility is pretty poo poo - does not come with a spare - wheel/brake size can limit your options for winter tires or buying a spare - rear seats aren't exactly roomy. may be uncomfortable for taller people - some people find the suspension to be too rough even in normal mode
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Jul 14, 2021 04:43
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Thank you, that's some great insight. When talking about "below zero", is that F or C ?
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Jul 14, 2021 05:18
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fahrenheit it's happened maybe 5 or 6 times in the two years I've had it. only in the morning after it's been sitting outside on cold nights. issue goes away by the time I get to the office
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Jul 14, 2021 05:30
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Volguus posted:I kinda like the 3-door concept. Would probably like a coupe more but this is a nice compromise. The interior layout is too cramped to realistically have 4 adults in there for anything longer than short jaunts, and the hatch suffers from C30 syndrome where it's weird narrow entrance severely limits it's practicality. FWIW renting a veloster is what planted the seed of getting a car again for me, as I really enjoyed the one I rented for a weekend out of town. As soon as I started to compare the practicality of it vs other hatches, it was just really hard to justify as someone who also needed the utility of the hatch Fart Car '97 fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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Jul 14, 2021 12:47
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Ok Comboomer posted:the best hot hatch is the type r because a hot hatch is supposed to be a daily driver and also it shouldn’t cost you poo poo past the initial It's like you didn't even read my essay about how poo poo the civic interior is. lol at the idea of spending type R money on a daily and having to live with that. they are cool though.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:31
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prom candy posted:It's like you didn't even read my essay about how poo poo the civic interior is. lol at the idea of spending type R money on a daily and having to live with that. pretend I wrote that in 2022 
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Jul 14, 2021 19:47
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i have bad news about the FoRS interior then considering it is the height of FoMoCo interior design circa 2010.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:47
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What does one call the brotherhood of Focus RS owners? FoRSkin?
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Jul 14, 2021 20:00
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The Hot Hatch Discussion Thread: Brotherhood of FoRSkin.
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Jul 14, 2021 20:08
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I wonder why we don't just get the normal Hyundai hatchback with the Veloster drivetrain in the US? It doesn't seem like anyone buys the Veloster N, but you see GTIs all over the place. Seems like a market they could get in to. The I-30 looks nice.
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Jul 14, 2021 20:15
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New Golf R starting at 44.5k: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37001607/2022-volkswagen-golf-r-price/ New GTI starting at 30.5k: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37001250/2022-volkswagen-golf-gti-price/
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Jul 14, 2021 21:53
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Interesting timing on that, we're in the media week leading up to the rescheduled Chicago Auto Show and when I get there I will have...questions
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Jul 14, 2021 22:11
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Residency Evil posted:The Hot Hatch Discussion Thread: Brotherhood of FoRSkin. 
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Jul 14, 2021 22:18
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Nomyth posted:Interesting timing on that, we're in the media week leading up to the rescheduled Chicago Auto Show and when I get there I will have...questions like what
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Jul 14, 2021 22:49
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"can I have one"
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Jul 14, 2021 23:23
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if you give them between 30 and 38 thousand dollars depending on trim level i bet they will let you have one eventually
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Jul 14, 2021 23:34
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Given dealer markup and delivery fees and other annoying seller's market things I'm wagering more like $45k
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Residency Evil posted:New Golf R starting at 44.5k: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37001607/2022-volkswagen-golf-r-price/ thanks, I hate it super pumped for the 7.5s to drop in price tho
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Jul 15, 2021 01:25
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Residency Evil posted:New Golf R starting at 44.5k: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37001607/2022-volkswagen-golf-r-price/ Hrmmmm think I’d spend another $4k and get a 382hp m240i xdrive instead.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:49
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Wonderllama posted:Hrmmmm think I’d spend another $4k and get a 382hp m240i xdrive instead. isn't that dead as of 22?
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Wonderllama posted:Hrmmmm think I’d spend another $4k and get a 382hp m240i xdrive instead. why would you ruin one of the last proper RWD cars that you can buy with xdrive?
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Jul 15, 2021 02:41
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Ok Comboomer posted:why would you ruin one of the last proper RWD cars that you can buy with xdrive? lol i've just realized they're talking about the new 2 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:lol i've just realized they're talking about the new 2 oh wow, it won’t come with a manual and is only initially available with XDrive, what a surprise, eat my rear end in a top hat BMW
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Jul 15, 2021 03:25
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they're assuming y'all are hard enough for the formula that you'll just pony up for the totally-leaked-spyshot-and-not-just-an-official-photo-in-camo-wrap 2022 M2 of course i'll just sit here in the casual can't-drive-stick corner astounded at how the '22 M240i is more powerful than the previous gen M2 Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jul 15, 2021 08:09
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Nomyth posted:they're assuming y'all are hard enough for the formula that you'll just pony up for the totally-leaked-spyshot-and-not-just-an-official-photo-in-camo-wrap 2022 M2 of course I mean, wasn’t the old one already not that far from the old M2? Like it kinda behooves the new M240i, especially if they’re gonna eliminate all of the “detrimental to performance” things like a manual and RWD that made the Mxxxi versions desirable to people beyond “it’s got an M Badge and it’s cheaper than the M2”. Yes, I’m aware that precious few of those people actually bought those cars, and even fewer would’ve bought them new. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jul 15, 2021 08:30
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Don’t know how I feel about all digital dash. I kinda like my manual controls.
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Jul 15, 2021 13:13
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Rusty posted:I wonder why we don't just get the normal Hyundai hatchback with the Veloster drivetrain in the US? It doesn't seem like anyone buys the Veloster N, but you see GTIs all over the place. Seems like a market they could get in to. The I-30 looks nice. I totally forgot the i30N is available outside NA and now I'm sad.
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Jul 15, 2021 14:33
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latinotwink1997 posted:Don’t know how I feel about all digital dash. I kinda like my manual controls. there are manual controls, they're just all under the vents or way down by the shifter you definitely have to take your eyes off the road to use them. fun fact, all the other new bmws are like this, all the way up to your wine mom's X5 
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Nomyth posted:there are manual controls, they're just all under the vents or way down by the shifter Oops, was talking about the GTI. Checked more photos and saw it’s not entirely digital at least. I’m just getting old it seems and don’t like change, haha.
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Bulk Vanderhuge posted:I totally forgot the i30N is available outside NA and now I'm sad. they just announced the Elantra N for the US, but it was focused on the sedan and not the hatch. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37010957/2022-hyundai-elantra-n-specs-revealed/
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Jul 17, 2021 20:45
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ok I’m back, and I met a blue 2015 FiST and fell utterly in love with it. It’s got the basic seats, etc. but the price is good. Every FiST I’ve seen with the recaros is either rough for <$15k or decent for $17+. Right now I’m thinking it’s not worth it, and I should just run with this clean car and its basic bitch interior for the next ~3 years and not get wistful about buckets with seat heaters. At minimum they’re not worth the $3k+ I’d have to pay to get them Change my mind if I’m making a mistake.
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Jul 17, 2021 21:51
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Im not gonna tell you no. I loving love mine. Buy the party car
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Jul 17, 2021 21:58
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:Im not gonna tell you no. I loving love mine. I mean about the seats.....also looking into it, it’s like a grand+ if I wanna upgrade SYNC 2 to SYNC 3 using a kit. But Idk that it’s worth paying over a grand more for a newer model year car either.
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Jul 17, 2021 22:36
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Have you sat in one with the fancy seats? When I bought one thread convinced me to wait for em and I think it was worth it. But also wasn’t the current weird market.
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Jul 17, 2021 23:37
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powderific posted:Have you sat in one with the fancy seats? When I bought one thread convinced me to wait for em and I think it was worth it. But also wasn’t the current weird market. I haven’t, no. Going to try to tomorrow, although that car has had 4 owners instead of 1 and CarFox tells me it had a minor front accident in 2016. But Ford certified it afterward so 🤷🏻♂️ Vroom will sell me a 2016 with ~55k, orange recaros, and being 2016 means it comes with sync3 and a backup cam. But for $17,500. I could spend that much but 1) IDK that I wanna spend $19k after tax and fees on a 5 year old FiST 2) IDK that I wanna deal with Vroom’s “got lower than an F from the BBB”/“gonna make you wait 2-3 weeks for your car” bullshit
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Jul 17, 2021 23:57
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I'm pretty sure FiSTs didn't get backup cameras until 2018 Not necessarily a drawback, though. I sprang for an '18 to get a backup camera and it sucks rear end. Pretty much any aftermarket one you could get would be preferable
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Jul 18, 2021 00:10
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Late Fees posted:I'm pretty sure FiSTs didn't get backup cameras until 2018 Yeah I have a 2016 and no backup cam. You can add CarPlay to the ‘16 though which is nice. It makes the car feel newer longer. I love the recaros (the only good part of the interior besides the aforementioned CarPlay potential) but I also bought at a time when cars were normal prices. They’re also somewhat snug so might not work for everyone.
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grahm posted:Yeah I have a 2016 and no backup cam. You can add CarPlay to the ‘16 though which is nice. It makes the car feel newer longer. Yeah that’s the thing, like this car’s nice and clean for $14.5 k, which is overpriced but it’s way less overpriced in my mind than paying $3-5K more for the combination of “newer car with a newer head unit” + Recaros. But if I’m gonna daily this thing for the next 2-3 years maybe I should consider it?
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