|
Stultus Maximus posted:CJCS discussed a plan with the other top brass to resign en masse if Trump attempted to use the military to remain in office. Wouldn't it have been better to refuse his orders and speak to the press to explain what he's trying to do and why the military is opposing it? Wouldn't mass resignations create lots of empty seats that could be filled with yes-men? It's not like trump would care about the optics
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 04:09 |
|
|
ASAPI posted:Remember our hopes and dreams concerning the piss tape? Well... Russia has something: uh huh, "leaked" this is the FSB taking an extremely well deserved victory lap for the most succesfull op in history
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:01
|
|
|
Best Friends posted:Crypto put a lot of co2 into the atmosphere and facilitates scams and crimes, but our society has deemed those acceptable costs for the benefit of making some of the worst people out there rich. https://twitter.com/thugcrowd/status/1415664315219292164?s=20
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:02
|
|
|
Hyrax Attack! posted:Wouldn't it have been better to refuse his orders and speak to the press to explain what he's trying to do and why the military is opposing it? Wouldn't mass resignations create lots of empty seats that could be filled with yes-men? It's not like trump would care about the optics Perhaps, but I think that having the entire Joint Chiefs quit would also result in everyone down the chain from Trump's yes-men telling said yes-men to kiss their asses they're not following illegal orders. The bigger point, I think, is that the JCS thought they needed a plan in case Trump attempted a military coup.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:06
|
|
|
Stultus Maximus posted:Perhaps, but I think that having the entire Joint Chiefs quit would also result in everyone down the chain from Trump's yes-men telling said yes-men to kiss their asses they're not following illegal orders. Alternatively if enough of the military is so far gone it might not matter what the JCS says or does so it'd be dudes fleeing for their life.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:11
|
|
|
I doubt many of the commanders would go along with it. A majority of officers have hated Trump since the moment he took office. I think the more likely outcome would be small numbers of troops showing up to stuff like the 1/6 insurrection rather than entire units defecting. In my opinion the modern US military is too diverse for something like that to happen.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:27
|
|
|
Mustang posted:I doubt many of the commanders would go along with it. A majority of officers have hated Trump since the moment he took office. I think the more likely outcome would be small numbers of troops showing up to stuff like the 1/6 insurrection rather than entire units defecting. In my opinion the modern US military is too diverse for something like that to happen. I've also observed that every marine unit has the one dude who explains whats going on to the rest of the unit, and that no, no matter how much you love Trump showing up to an insurrection is a bad idea. Usually from an entirely "breaking the rules is really bad, remember?" Stance that makes me laugh as a civilian
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:35
|
|
|
ASAPI posted:Remember our hopes and dreams concerning the piss tape? Well... Russia has something: I looked for five seconds and had a sad thought: does even this bit of news matter at all anymore?
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 19:39
|
|
|
Piss tape is real and gently caress you if you tell me otherwise Lol they finally said the quiet part loud after 30 years.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 20:07
|
|
|
Woodchip posted:ring ring As seen in putsch It works with juche Cellular Modular Libritariologer
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 20:27
|
|
|
Well Germany doesn't need no wobble I guess
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 20:59
|
|
|
Eej posted:Well Germany doesn't need no wobble I guess Roll roll roll ya dough up and down the street
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 21:05
|
|
|
Hey look, the Freedom Fone is a big ol' grift with massive security issues! https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1415767595102314496?s=19
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 21:34
|
|
|
facialimpediment posted:Hey look, the Freedom Fone is a big ol' grift with massive security issues! The article just appears to be saying that all MediaTek devices are insecure which is completely ridiculous.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 21:39
|
|
|
hobbesmaster posted:All FTFY.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 21:41
|
|
|
Mustang posted:I doubt many of the commanders would go along with it. A majority of officers have hated Trump since the moment he took office. I think the more likely outcome would be small numbers of troops showing up to stuff like the 1/6 insurrection rather than entire units defecting. In my opinion the modern US military is too diverse for something like that to happen. in a lot of modern military coups you would have officers giving orders to enlisted telling them it was a training exercise, like in the turkish one recently. why should we expect the lower ranks to be fully cognizant of orders and their implications?
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 21:52
|
|
Suicide Watch posted:in a lot of modern military coups you would have officers giving orders to enlisted telling them it was a training exercise, like in the turkish one recently. why should we expect the lower ranks to be fully cognizant of orders and their implications? Social media
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 21:56
|
|
|
boop the snoot posted:Social media What about social media makes you think people are responsible and smart consumers?
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:25
|
|
|
Suicide Watch posted:in a lot of modern military coups you would have officers giving orders to enlisted telling them it was a training exercise, like in the turkish one recently. why should we expect the lower ranks to be fully cognizant of orders and their implications? I'm saying they would never receive the order in the first place because the commanders would correctly view it as illegal, on top of already not caring all that much for Trump in the first place. I have a hard time seeing enough Trump sympathizers up and down the huge bureaucracy of the military in enough key positions to actually get any kind of effective coup executed. Millennial and zoomer officers in particular are not at all fans of Trump and his politics, despite generally being fairly conservative themselves. Trump would need to get the officer corps on his side, and he never did. I doubt there's many militaries more diverse than the US's and I also have a hard time seeing those same troops going along with a coup as well. Which is why I think any military coup attempt wouldn't amount to more than some extremists heading to events like the insurrection on their own.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:25
|
|
|
Mustang posted:I'm saying they would never receive the order in the first place because the commanders would correctly view it as illegal, on top of already not caring all that much for Trump in the first place. how many navy seals would show up though
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:35
|
|
|
TheWeedNumber posted:how many navy seals would show up though The proper plural collective would be a book signing of Navy SEALs.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:37
|
|
|
GD_American posted:The proper plural collective would be a book signing of Navy SEALs. Lmao
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:38
|
|
|
A SOF board I used to read from time to time once had some dudes posting about how liberals are the biggest existential threat to the US today, so definitely more than 0.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:39
|
|
UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:What about social media makes you think people are responsible and smart consumers? I don’t think in the age of social media Joe Snuffy can say he didn’t know he was taking part in a coup.
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:45
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/SuzyKhimm/status/1415351607026458631 Basically, the public housing standards are still from the 70s-early 90s and now, people are trying to bring them up to something reasonable. It's still a draft, because bureaucracy slow but they did reduce some of the proposed standards in the draft. If you care, you can click on this link below to give official feedback and tell HUD that these changes are dumb. https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/reac/nspire/standards-feedback
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:47
|
|
|
How would that even work? e: using the military for a reverse-coup, not HUD allowing deathtrap housing Inauguration day: "Corporal, I need you to drive a tank up to the Capitol building and arrest Joe Biden. It's a... uh, training exercise."
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:47
|
|
|
boop the snoot posted:I don’t think in the age of social media Joe Snuffy can say he didn’t know he was taking part in a coup. bruh have you not seen Congress lately? That response seems to work p well
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:51
|
|
UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:bruh have you not seen Congress lately? That response seems to work p well I don’t give them the excuse of it being a training exercise either.
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 22:52
|
|
|
I don't worry about a coup for Trump, but a less rude conservative facing off against someone to the left of Kamala Harris in the future, who knows how it goes. Officers are overwhelmingly conservative still and conservatives are going increasingly reactionary
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:05
|
|
|
drat, I'm sure the party in power is taking all this in and formulating a plan to keep it from happening again by bipartisaning even harder going forward
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:22
|
|
|
GD_American posted:The proper plural collective would be a book signing of Navy SEALs.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:23
|
|
|
I think that's another case where you can see demographic trends in the civilian population reflected in the military, ie today the more educated you are the more likely you are to vote for Democrats. They seem to be doubling down on the culture war stuff so I don't think we're going to see a less rude version, "the cruelty is the point".
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:25
|
|
|
maffew buildings posted:drat, I'm sure the party in power is taking all this in and formulating a plan to keep it from happening again by bipartisaning even harder going forward It is darkly funny how the people who were most insistent that Trump is a threat to the republic lined up solidly behind establishment Dems who completely disagree with that assessment.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:35
|
|
|
A general paraphrase of a quote that more or less defines this social media era: we generally thought that people were stupid because they didn't have access to the information. Now, everyone has access to the information and we've been proven otherwise.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:42
|
|
facialimpediment posted:A general paraphrase of a quote that more or less defines this social media era: we generally thought that people were stupid because they didn't have access to the information. Now, everyone has access to the information and we've been proven otherwise. I think access just exasperated a problem that was already there. We would’ve gotten here eventually. The internet was just gasoline on an already burning fire.
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:45
|
|
|
Mustang posted:A SOF board I used to read from time to time once had some dudes posting about how liberals are the biggest existential threat to the US today, so definitely more than 0. Jeez, I wish GD_American posted:The proper plural collective would be a book signing of Navy SEALs. Also lol
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2021 23:46
|
|
|
boop the snoot posted:I think access just exasperated a problem that was already there. We would’ve gotten here eventually. The internet was just gasoline on an already burning fire. I think you mean "exacerbated a problem", but honestly your sentence still works on a far deeper level than the grammatical.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2021 00:08
|
|
Vincent Van Goatse posted:I think you mean "exacerbated a problem", but honestly your sentence still works on a far deeper level than the grammatical. I don’t know how to spell either word and went with the one autocorrect gave me
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2021 00:10
|
|
|
boop the snoot posted:I don’t know how to spell either word and went with the one autocorrect gave me I figured it was an autocorrect thing but it was just a really funny coincidence.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2021 00:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 04:09 |
|
|
boop the snoot posted:I don’t know how to spell either word and went with the one autocorrect gave me This made the last two pages of doom and gloom worth sifting through. I can't spell for poo poo either.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2021 01:47
|
|
