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I suspect the answer is  , but why hasn't Stanley figured out that they could make accurate replicas of their old, good planes and make money?
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Enderzero posted:So. I'm wondering if I should ask him to help out a newbie and sell me a (higher-end - he has a range of prices for each type) #7 jointer and a #5 for, say $200. Does that seem like a smart move? FWIW the prices on that craigslist ad don't seem crazy to me. In 2016, got my No 5 for $35 and my No 8 for $100. Prices have gone up since then. I wouldn't balk at $50 for a good condition No 5 or $140+ for a good No 7 or 8. It's even worth a few bucks if it's local and you can go look at them in person instead of just eBay photos. For sharpening, my preference is DMT diamond stones (the big ones). They're expensive but so far have lasted more than five years. I don't even have a grinder. Here's is a decent series of articles about sharpening; the bottom line is all the methods work, just pick one and do it well: https://blog.lostartpress.com/2017/07/10/sharpen-this-part-1/
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Jul 15, 2021 00:02
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I suspect the answer is I'm guessing the market is considered too small. Though they do have a sweetheart line that is maybe kinda attempting to come back and compete in that market? I don't think they stand up to the lie nelsons or veritas or whatevers though.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:19
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I put some shellac on it. It’s rough, but hey it’s all scrap
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Jul 15, 2021 00:56
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What niche would a hypothetical quality modern Stanley plane even fall in? Can't compete with the really cheap Asian stuff because at that price point you just don't get quality (which is why modern Stanley is poo poo, as it's all produced as cheaply as possible). Can't compete with Lie-Nielsen or Veritas without pricing themselves out of much of the market as that kind of quality doesn't come cheap, especially if you want it made in North-America. That leaves the mid-range planes maybe. Except there's already a substantial presence of serviceable Chinese models there, so it'd be hard to set themselves apart there. Except for the name, but you can't spend decades selling garbage and expect that to be a pro.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:19
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Thanks for the responses. I realized something I described incorrectly (because it is dumb). I have a dewalt dw680 NOT the 73x. I kept hearing about lunchbox planers and assumed it meant a planer likes the 680 because it looks way more like a lunchbox with a weird handle than the actual lunchbox planers, which look more like toaster ovens come on this is an understandable mistake. lament.cfg posted:You could use your planer to face joint by adding an MDF sled jig under the work piece and shimming it. Yeah I’ve seen that but, as someone mentioned, it seems tedious. Meow Meow Meow posted:I like to recommend newbies get a premium plane before getting in to buying vintage. A Lie-Nielson or Veritas comes sharp and won't have any problems, so you know what a proper sharp plane should feel like. But there are plenty here that started into the vintage route and it all works out in the end. Yeah, I get that! I’m trying to split the difference; did you happen to take a look at the ad? It looks like this guy knows what he’s doing so I’m trying to figure out if he’s put in some good restoring work hours and I can get what would be a $70 roughly used eBay model tuned up by a semi expert to a $140 worth model and get solid results/minimal early maintenance overall for half the price of a modern premium plane. Trying to land between fixer upper and premium modern in price basically so I can do some decent work without breaking the bank. Does that make sense? That Works posted:I had a similar situation to yours. Interesting idea, but how very antique those are makes me nervous. I feel more comfortable with metal fine adjustments; the first article I found on setting those up required a lot of doing things by feel and just smacking it with hammers. Stultus Maximus posted:Things I've learned over the last couple months: Thanks for the info. Yeah I’m not obsessed with needing like a specific 4 year era, I’m just trying to get a sense of whether paying a bit extra for somebody’s hours invested in cleaning them up is a good move compared to pricy new models - and maybe ask them to do a sort of chef’s recommendation for a supplicant newbie and sell me a decent one. ColdPie posted:FWIW the prices on that craigslist ad don't seem crazy to me. In 2016, got my No 5 for $35 and my No 8 for $100. Prices have gone up since then. I wouldn't balk at $50 for a good condition No 5 or $140+ for a good No 7 or 8. It's even worth a few bucks if it's local and you can go look at them in person instead of just eBay photos. Sorry, yeah, I get the sense that the prices there are pretty fair - he just dropped the jointer range by $10. I meant more in general it feels like a lot of overpriced stuff is out there. I saw something like that when building a gym recently, people wanted to sell their pandemic bought stuff without losing any money after renting it for a year.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:23
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Here goon, buy this. If you wait and hunt you can probably find one closer to $50 but this one looks to be in good condition. Ebay stanley no 5 Get a honing guide and something flat, and buy some good sandpaper. This stuff will last quite a while. Scary sharp
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Jul 15, 2021 01:38
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The shipping charge on that listing is a bit high - for me it's over $30 - but that does look like a good example in decently good condition, as far as the photos show. A little photo detectivery work suggests it's ~type 16, 1933-41, but that's not certain without having the parts in-hand (and often these planes are frankensteined from multiple eras) but that's a perfectly good vintage for it to be anyway.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:52
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NomNomNom posted:Here goon, buy this. If you wait and hunt you can probably find one closer to $50 but this one looks to be in good condition. drat that does look pretty nice. I’m leaning towards this local seller if only because he claims there’s a discount if you buy more than $150 worth and I need 2. Hmm
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Jul 15, 2021 02:30
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OP wooden combination planes (wooden body, metal adjustment) get a bad rap but I love them. No dicking around with wedges and so much lighter than metal planes and they don’t crack when you drop em. They are usually the cheapest of all vintage planes too. They make great fore/jack planes, maybe not as great as smoothers or jointers. Union made decent ones. Older Stanley planes are good but they really command a premium. Sargent was another good manufacturer that is usually much cheaper and IME quite good quality. The body casting on my Sargent smoother is thick af and super flat. Powered planes are okay too! They can be a bit aggressive so stick to a fairly shallow cut. They definitely have their limitations and I wouldn’t recommend anyone go out and buy one for general purpose woodworking, but if you’ve already got one it will sure as heck plane wood.
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Jul 15, 2021 03:18
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Enderzero posted:But I've also read The Anarchist's Workbench so I'm still reading and considering - I don't think I have the skills (or the clamps!) at the moment to pull it off. I have fewer tools and (probably) skills than you do and the workbench I posted above bears some--accidental, but significant--similarities to the Anarchist's Workbench. I have learned this summer that it looks much harder than it is to build a Big Heavy Fuckin' Bench. Or Nonfuckin', if that is your thing. Buy half a dozen aluminum bar clamps at Harbor Freight and you'll figure it out. Also, as far as planes go, I own one (1) plane: a Grizzly smoothing plane. It was like $50, and recommended as a decent, predictable entry-to-mid-level plane by Rex Krueger--he did a teardown of a bunch from the same factory, the Grizzly one had better fittings than the slightly cheaper ones. They sell a jack and a jointer plane that look to be similar construction. This plane was stupid-easy to prep and sharpen (truly, any idiot can do it) and it works pretty great. I see no reason bigger ones of the same general construction wouldn't be too, and they're not expensive. The jointer is $110 on Amazon, and can be returned if it's messed up. YMMV, but I went there before trying to YOLO a vintage plane, because I know I don't know what I'm doing. Yet. tracecomplete fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jul 15, 2021 04:40
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Enderzero posted:
In your case it might be worth the gamble. Get the guy on the phone and ask what he does to "restore" the tools he's selling, that'll likely give you a better feeling on if it's worth it. And as Stultus Maximus pointed out, while some vintage Stanley's are certainly better they're all pretty good, I have a No.4 & 5 that I think are from the 70s and they do a great job.
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Jul 15, 2021 17:31
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I suspect the answer is for about the same reason IKEA doesn't make federal-style inlaid rosewood cabinetry? the turn-of-the-century stuff was made that way because it was possible to turn a profit mass producing those kinds of things when skilled machinists cost nothing, people were on a holy crusade to strip the Americas of every natural resource as fast as possible, there was still a large class of folks who could afford to routinely buy the still-fairly-expensive end product, and manufacturers didn't have to compete with ~70 years of high-end old production that was built to last for centuries. A small shop with a real passion for the subject might just about manage to keep its head above water for a while selling that stuff to the straight-razor market but it's not like glorious socialism is gonna bring back the precise economic conditions of early industrialization either (one would hope)
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CommonShore posted:I've had some horrible material-wasting results from a lovely Mastercraft table saw that someone has been storing at my place. It's only for rough cuts and I regret it whenever I forget that. melon cat fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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Jul 15, 2021 19:12
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melon cat posted:Same with my Kobalt table saw. I dislike it so damned much but also don't use a table saw often enough to rationalize spending the additional money. Have you and/or common shore ever replaced the blades? The cheap default blades in those budget saws are probably never going to give a nice cut.
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with the exception of Dewalts every contractor table saw I've handled had a pretty heinous fence, too, if you can't count on that being square that's like 2/3 of the utility of a table saw gone I use my table saw for fuckin everything but u gotta go big or go home A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jul 15, 2021 20:41
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I cannot figure out this deal and why it isn't a bigger...deal. DeWalt DW734 benchtop planer seems to be $450 everywhere you look, rarely going on sale. Home Depot has it: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-15-Amp-Corded-12-1-2-in-Planer-DW734/100634640 But for some reason, they also have this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-...24075/203355217 which is the same thing, with a tote bag as a throw-in for only $400. Is there something I'm missing here? It's been going on for about 2 months, according to slick deals. I don't understand why the planer only is better selling than than the $50 less version that has a little add-on included.
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Jul 15, 2021 20:54
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Enderzero posted:I cannot figure out this deal and why it isn't a bigger...deal. DeWalt DW734 benchtop planer seems to be $450 everywhere you look, rarely going on sale. Home Depot has it: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-15-Amp-Corded-12-1-2-in-Planer-DW734/100634640 I believe the DW735 is the one every goes crazy for though isn't it? The 734 looks virtually like every other lunchbox planer out there.
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Jul 15, 2021 20:58
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I think Home Desperate is like a dog, it just sort of does things arbitrarily.
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Squibbles posted:I believe the DW735 is the one every goes crazy for though isn't it? The 734 looks virtually like every other lunchbox planer out there. Yes, the 735 is the upgraded model with 1/2inch longer blade, 2 speeds and a blower to clear out chips. It's also $650 vs $450 ($400 if that deal holds) which is a big difference for a newbie like me.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I think Home Desperate is like a dog, it just sort of does things arbitrarily. That's interesting info. I mean, I'll take it, I have not had much luck finding deals on anything. Tool prices seem quite stable except for 3-4 times a year random deals, and trying to set up a shop when it's not one of those times has been a bit difficult, price-wise.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:20
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Enderzero posted:That's interesting info. I mean, I'll take it, I have not had much luck finding deals on anything. Tool prices seem quite stable except for 3-4 times a year random deals, and trying to set up a shop when it's not one of those times has been a bit difficult, price-wise. If it's the same planer, it doesn't matter why one is priced less. Buy the cheaper one. The internal working of retail merchandising can be pretty weird. My guess would be that the bundle was a deal offered by someone else that they discontinued and just dumped the stock rather than unbundle it. HD bought them up and are just trying to unload them.
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Deteriorata posted:If it's the same planer, it doesn't matter why one is priced less. Buy the cheaper one. The internal working of retail merchandising can be pretty weird. That's about where I've landed. The relatively small product lines and high prices of decent tools made me think pricing weirdness would be much more rare since I haven't seen nearly as much variance in prices between retailers as I do for many other goods, so I did a double take here. Thanks.
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Squibbles posted:I believe the DW735 is the one every goes crazy for though isn't it? The 734 looks virtually like every other lunchbox planer out there. Yes. The DW735 is the one. It spins twice as fast and has the blower. The extra 1/2" is the smallest of the upgrades and they probably did it to make the rest fit. HD has it for $600 right now, which is about as low as they go.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:58
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I primed a window sill while I was reglazing the repainting the sash. While I had the Sash out I had a piece of plywood covering the window opening. Will I be able to put the plywood back in the hole without having the paint stick to the plywood, if I give it 3 hours or so to dry? The sash still isn't finished being painted, and the sill still needs the final paint on it, so far I've only primed it.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:I primed a window sill while I was reglazing the repainting the sash. While I had the Sash out I had a piece of plywood covering the window opening. Will I be able to put the plywood back in the hole without having the paint stick to the plywood, if I give it 3 hours or so to dry? The sash still isn't finished being painted, and the sill still needs the final paint on it, so far I've only primed it. If it's latex paint, a humid day, and the plywood is pressed hard it will definitely stick.
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Jul 15, 2021 22:04
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Oh poo poo, just found a DW735 with shelix blades that are still on their first of 4 sides and a stand in great shape for $475 on craigslist. That's only $25 more than the DW734 deal after tax...thus possibly ending my endless agonizing above
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Jul 15, 2021 22:41
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Enderzero posted:Oh poo poo, just found a DW735 with shelix blades that are still on their first of 4 sides and a stand in great shape for $475 on craigslist. That's only $25 more than the DW734 deal after tax...thus possibly ending my endless agonizing above The shelix itself is like $300, isn’t it? That’s a steal.
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lament.cfg posted:The shelix itself is like $300, isn’t it? That’s a steal. Maybe even more than that. I thought last time I looked they wanted very nearly as much as the vanilla planer itself for the shelix head Enderzero posted:Oh poo poo, just found a DW735 with shelix blades that are still on their first of 4 sides and a stand in great shape for $475 on craigslist. That's only $25 more than the DW734 deal after tax...thus possibly ending my endless agonizing above Even if the heads were used up that sounds a killer deal to me.
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lament.cfg posted:The shelix itself is like $300, isn’t it? That’s a steal. Yeah, guy quoted it as $435 value in his post!
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Jul 15, 2021 23:13
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That's an absurd deal, in my market you'd have to race get that.
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NomNomNom posted:That's an absurd deal, in my market you'd have to race get that. Yeah same that would be gone in a few hours or less Get it if you can goon!
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Enderzero posted:Oh poo poo, just found a DW735 with shelix blades that are still on their first of 4 sides and a stand in great shape for $475 on craigslist. That's only $25 more than the DW734 deal after tax...thus possibly ending my endless agonizing above Phenomenal deal. My area doesn't have good tools up very often (Buffalo, NY) but I've still seen 4 or 5 DW735s on craigslist over the past year since I started getting into woodworking. For anyone not in a hurry I would definitely recommend just checking craigslist once a day for a DW735.
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Danhenge posted:Have you and/or common shore ever replaced the blades? The cheap default blades in those budget saws are probably never going to give a nice cut. Yeah I bought a pair of new diablo blades. It's not about the cleanliness of the cut, it's about the precision. The fence is trash and the blade doesn't want to stay perfectly square. I do not trust it for anything that requires a reliable right angle, and I do not trust it to do repeat rips to a given precise width. I mostly do cross-cut sled stuff on it.
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NomNomNom posted:That's an absurd deal, in my market you'd have to race get that. There's been a used 735 in my area on Facebook for about $430 for weeks. It went up like two days after I bought one new on sale. Edit: down to $400 now Danhenge fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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I'm thinking about one of those Ridgid combination jointer/planer machines, but I just know the second I buy one I'll need a bigger planing capacity for some glued-up thing or another.
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Numinous posted:Phenomenal deal. My area doesn't have good tools up very often (Buffalo, NY) but I've still seen 4 or 5 DW735s on craigslist over the past year since I started getting into woodworking. For anyone not in a hurry I would definitely recommend just checking craigslist once a day for a DW735. You can set up an auto search that emails you when an ad matching your keywords is posted
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tracecomplete posted:I'm thinking about one of those Ridgid combination jointer/planer machines, but I just know the second I buy one I'll need a bigger planing capacity for some glued-up thing or another. If you're talking about the Ridgid 6-1/8 jointer that's not really a combo unit, it's simply a jointer. In American parlance, a jointer face joints (flattens) one face of a board. A planer should more accurately be called a thicknesser.
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NomNomNom posted:If you're talking about the Ridgid 6-1/8 jointer that's not really a combo unit, it's simply a jointer. In American parlance, a jointer face joints (flattens) one face of a board. A planer should more accurately be called a thicknesser. FFS. It's right and proper that the thing they call a "jointer/planer" on the Home Depot website, on an American-targeted site with an Americsn audience, is not, in fact, both of those things. I am familiar with the difference between a jointer and a thickness planer but I am used to words having meaning. tracecomplete fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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