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good point, maybe we should figure out how to bomb childhood poverty
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Jul 16, 2021 11:20
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1415993374235111435
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Jul 16, 2021 12:37
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lmao drat
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Jul 16, 2021 12:40
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this guy is like  whenever he tweet
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Jul 16, 2021 12:48
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the chinese got a killer weapon and it tweets for free
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Jul 16, 2021 13:47
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Chen is such a powerful poster.
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Jul 16, 2021 14:06
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where's that guy who said everytime Chen tweets, public opinions in Taiwan and neighboring countries plummet, thus america and china are going to go to war because of Chen lol "wolf warrior diplomacy"
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Jul 16, 2021 14:23
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Would be a stronger message if one of them fell down imo.
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Jul 16, 2021 15:27
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genericnick posted:Would be a stronger message if one of them fell down imo. The F-22 is the good plane that works, and there's only a couple hundred of them because we stopped making new ones in favor of the F-35.
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Jul 16, 2021 15:41
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The F-22 is the good plane that works, and there's only a couple hundred of them because we stopped making new ones in favor of the F-35. Look it's too expensive to have some good planes, it's much more economical to have a lot of bad planes.
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Jul 16, 2021 15:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The F-22 is the good plane that works, and there's only a couple hundred of them because we stopped making new ones in favor of the F-35. Now, now it's still one of those that can't fly if there's light rain, isn't it?
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Jul 16, 2021 15:47
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you cant put a price on comedy (plane that explodes in bad weather, plane with such useless software that it takes weeks to do OTA updates that allow it to operate, plane that suffocates pilots) and thats why i support the f-35
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Jul 16, 2021 15:49
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genericnick posted:Now, now it's still one of those that can't fly if there's light rain, isn't it? No, that's the F-35. We spent 1.7 trillion dollars making planes that can't deliver oxygen to their pilots because the F-22 was "too expensive." Of course there are other reasons, like how the armed forces keep wanting stupid poo poo like VTOL.
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Jul 16, 2021 15:50
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as of 2020 the f-35 also couldn't even fire its cannon accurately hahaha, what a cool plane
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Jul 16, 2021 15:52
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the fatal flaw with the F-22 is that all the tooling was crated-up and locked away so there's presumably very little in the way of spare parts and no new production anymore in 2018, Hurricane Michael damaged some 17 of the planes in their base at Tyndall AFB in Florida, and that was about 10% of the whole fleet, and they couldn't be repaired
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Jul 16, 2021 15:54
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To be fair the F-22 also suffocated its pilots. So this one is a toss up. https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsroot-cause-f22-raptor-hypoxia-identified-usaf/ gradenko_2000 posted:the fatal flaw with the F-22 is that all the tooling was crated-up and locked away so there's presumably very little in the way of spare parts and no new production anymore Well they tried that with the F-35, except the design kept changing as more flaws were found and fixed. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 16:03 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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Jul 16, 2021 15:58
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if i thought that the us military was actually doing anything to protect me and my family i would be worried about all this but since it isnt: a hearty lol
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Jul 16, 2021 16:06
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Looks like this is the Beijing response to the new sanction China snubs senior US official in worsening diplomatic stand-off
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Jul 16, 2021 16:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:No, that's the F-35. We spent 1.7 trillion dollars making planes that can't deliver oxygen to their pilots because the F-22 was "too expensive." Refreshed my memory. Yeah it can fly just fine, but the stealth paint seems to come off?
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Jul 16, 2021 16:10
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fart simpson posted:good point, maybe we should figure out how to bomb childhood poverty What have you done!!!
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Jul 16, 2021 16:11
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genericnick posted:Refreshed my memory. Yeah it can fly just fine, but the stealth paint seems to come off? This is a thing for all "stealth" planes, and a huge problem for the B-2 now.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:13
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Yeah, it wasn’t a couple hundred either, only 187 f22s were ever made and only portion of them are now operational. If anything they fighters being sent over may be a good portion of the operational fleet. It arguably may be still the best fighter out there, it is just been so limited by DoD that it really can’t have a meaningful battlefield presence. Also the f35 has a massive parts bottleneck that if anything is going to put it in a similar position. Also many of the aircraft will have to retire early because of airframe fatigue. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:17 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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Jul 16, 2021 16:13
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, it wasn’t a couple hundred either, only 187 f22s were ever made and only portion of them are now operational. If anything they fighters being sent over may be a good portion of the operational fleet. That's right. Most of the fleet has to be kept mothballed so they can source them for spare parts.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:15
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The latest generation chinese fighter could effectively have a bigger impact in the coming years if they can get the engines built in country instead of ordering them from russia. Its really a huge fuckup by the US since they decided that air to air wasn't as necessary anymore since we've been stuck for 20 years in irregular warfare and now china is rising, they caught up and all we have in the pipeline are upgraded F-16s since the "affordable, universal multirole" that was meant to replace it balooned into contracting monstrosity
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Jul 16, 2021 16:20
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Remember when China debuted a new air superiority fighter that was clearly a reverse-engineered F-35, but it had better performance because it didn't have VTOL?
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Jul 16, 2021 16:31
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember when China debuted a new air superiority fighter that was clearly a reverse-engineered F-35, but it had better performance because it didn't have VTOL? a power point slide showing the feature comparison and highlighting the vtol in a big bold green font for the f35 with a big red x for the chinese model
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Jul 16, 2021 16:32
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember when China debuted a new air superiority fighter that was clearly a reverse-engineered F-35, but it had better performance because it didn't have VTOL? it also costs like 1/3rd to make and wouldn't surprise the cost per flight hour to be significantly lower than a 1/3rd of what the F35s is.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:33
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember when China debuted a new air superiority fighter that was clearly a reverse-engineered F-35, but it had better performance because it didn't have VTOL? also it had two engines so the plane doesn’t fall out of the sky if one flames out
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Jul 16, 2021 16:35
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Raskolnikov38 posted:also it had two engines so the plane doesn’t fall out of the sky if one flames out that means it has twice the chance to fail!
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Jul 16, 2021 16:35
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57780023quote:In recent years, the "vloggers" have been increasingly presenting themselves as China-lovers, spreading Communist Party disinformation. BBC pointing out the real problem. People expressing their non state department fed lines on the internet.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:41
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember when China debuted a new air superiority fighter that was clearly a reverse-engineered F-35, but it had better performance because it didn't have VTOL? The navalized f-35 is also better because of this The US still built the vtol ones anyway Lol
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Jul 16, 2021 16:41
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I'm always confused as to what message this sort of thing is supposed to send. Did China forget that we have some F-22's or something?
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Jul 16, 2021 16:49
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i dont know if they fixed it but the vtol f-35 part is especially funny because the downblast from the vtol engine was so hot that it would melt most surfaces, requiring special blocks to take off from safely. great job guys that sounds like a really flexible, deploy-anywhere plane you designed! the marines are so cool.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:52
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We could have had this big, beautiful boy
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Jul 16, 2021 16:55
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A lot of the issue is also just that the f-35 was a re-designed copy of a Soviet vtol fighter the Yak-141, which was a fairly awkward fighter even if it was ahead of its time. The Yak was also never designed as a dedicated air superiority fighter. Then you have the issue of just how slow the f-35 roll out has been as only 230 have been delivered to the Air Force. Air National Guard units are transitioning to a modernized f-15 from their f-16s because they know they aren’t going to see any f35s any time soon. It doesn’t really affect actual defense in any meaningful way but at the same time the US also doesn’t have the technical edge it had during the 1990s/2000s since both Russia and China have largely closed the capability gap including their own large 4th generation fighter fleets.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:57
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what is the point of a “fighter jet” if not air superiority? why would you design a fighter without that as the primary if not only goal (sincere question idfk what their thought process was)
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Jul 16, 2021 17:00
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If the government gave me $1 trillion for a fighter jet i'd simply create one that can suck itself off.
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Jul 16, 2021 17:07
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indigi posted:what is the point of a “fighter jet” if not air superiority? why would you design a fighter without that as the primary if not only goal (sincere question idfk what their thought process was) The F-35 isn't a fighter either. That's where the stealth part comes in, it's just supposed to launch from a carrier and bomb poo poo.
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Jul 16, 2021 17:07
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indigi posted:what is the point of a “fighter jet” if not air superiority? why would you design a fighter without that as the primary if not only goal (sincere question idfk what their thought process was) It was a short range vtol strike fighter which was designed to fly from a light carrier to bomb targets on shore. It could theoretically dogfight but it honestly would have probably been terrible at it. The Yak 141/41 never got out of the prototype stage and its design was bought by Lockheed-Martin. This is compared to a su 27 which was only really designed to fight other planes.
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Jul 16, 2021 17:13
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indigi posted:what is the point of a “fighter jet” if not air superiority? why would you design a fighter without that as the primary if not only goal (sincere question idfk what their thought process was) it's a fighter bomber which is specifically a type of plane that came into being in WW2. These would be Hurricane, Typhoon, Thunderbolt, IL-2, etc. These are primarily designed to engage ground targets and carry larger than average payloads (in those days that meant rocket packs on the wings and cannons on the nose); they could engage enemy aircraft and did successfully against enemy bomber formations (the hurricane specifically is a bit of unsung hero vis a vis the battle of britian and the early part of WW2) because those were slow and armored like the ground targets they were supposed to engage. Against enemy air sup fighters they are aren't designed to do that as efficiently. note: if your thinking "wouldn't an A-10 or a drone be able to do this perfectly fine?" yes exactly you have found another reason why the F-35 is dumb. ofc the A-10 was showing it's age....but it's extremely clear that they needed a specifically design ground attack aircraft and the F-35 has WAY to many compromises in it to make it "technically able" to engage enemy fighters because oops no F-22's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iffnw_rbB1Q Lady Militant has issued a correction as of 17:31 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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