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Zaphod42 posted:In a way, maybe we were saved by the budget. If D&D got to go whole hog back then, we'd have a detailed sequence where hundreds of Lannister cavalry just charge into a Stark spear wall and all die for no reason. They had more oversight back then, so probably not.
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That DICK! posted:One of the early seasons had the national version which was great It's so good was surprised it came from the guys who did "Mistaken for Strangers". If I remember right it plays over the credits of the Battle of the Blackwater episode.
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Zaphod42 posted:You remember in like Season 1 and 2 where they have battles but can't show them, like the Starks and Lannister armies meet and it just cuts to Rob being like "hey we caught the kingslayer!" In retrospect it's hilarious that the seasons where they didn't have a budget for big battles were well received and thus they were granted more budget so they could do big battles. It's like, I get it, but at the same time it's also "oh people love A, so now let's spend more money to give them B instead of more A!". Big brain genius moves.
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Considering it's entire budget was blown on the green explosion money shot and most of the actual battle was spent hiding by the walls or on a tiny stretch of land Blackwater was such a stunning episode of TV. It's a real example of a product being elevated by the need to creatively work around limitations. The only other battle in the show that felt nearly as fun to watch was the Wall in season 4. stev fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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Jul 16, 2021 14:32
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A thing I completely forgot happens: Ellaria Sand putting the moves on Yara completely out of left-field I was much better off when I'd completely memory holed this one. It's terrible
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Jul 16, 2021 14:34
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HBO just announced they’re green lighting 2 more spin-offs https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/game-of-thrones-animated-yiti-1234982593/ gently caress this, they’ve become the Activision of TV
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:HBO just announced they’re green lighting 2 more spin-offs I'm really curious if people watch these. How badly did the ending kill excited for the franchise? I guess we're going to find out.
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A GoT take on the mystical orient which only has lore written by two Scandinavian white supremacists is gonna be so bad.
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Orange Devil posted:In retrospect it's hilarious that the seasons where they didn't have a budget for big battles were well received and thus they were granted more budget so they could do big battles. It's like, I get it, but at the same time it's also "oh people love A, so now let's spend more money to give them B instead of more A!". Big brain genius moves. Yeah I stroooongly agree. The show was popular for the politicking and intrigue, so... they turned it into a fantasy heroic adventure  Insert clips of D&D talking about how bad they wanted the zombie polar bear and how they wanted the show to appeal to football players.
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One of my favorite things about GoT was this huge map where only part of it was focused on, with the rest being a mystery. Westeros itself is pretty small all things considered. That always did make me wonder what would happen if a White Walker invasion or Westeros succeeded. Would they have just chilled there and not moved to other places?
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Nichael posted:I'm really curious if people watch these. How badly did the ending kill excited for the franchise? I guess we're going to find out. I think it's going to be an initial reaction decision. People will try it but I don't think there's a ton of room for any of these spinoffs to have a slow start or need a working out period.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:HBO just announced they’re green lighting 2 more spin-offs For them to be activision, they'd need to have fired the original staff and replaced them with D&D on a small budget, then cancelled the franchise after people lost interest. Nah. I think doing more shows is fine, although we'll see if they can get anybody to watch them. Nichael posted:I'm really curious if people watch these. How badly did the ending kill excited for the franchise? I guess we're going to find out. Matt Smith as a targaryen and big production values means I'll give it a chance. There's just not a lot of big budget fantasy shows, so I have to take what I can get.
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bobjr posted:That always did make me wonder what would happen if a White Walker invasion or Westeros succeeded. Would they have just chilled there and not moved to other places? Knowing how the show ended, the last scene would be the night king sitting on a frozen throne. He utters his first words and the last of the series - “What’s west of Westeros?”
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A voice like cracking ice emanates from deep within his chest. "And who shall sit on the throne? Why, who has a better story than Craster's 28th bastard, Bucky the Ice Zombie Baby?"
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regulargonzalez posted:A voice like cracking ice emanates from deep within his chest. "And who shall sit on the throne? Why, who has a better story than Craster's 28th bastard, Bucky the Ice Zombie Baby?" Bucky the Brokebrained
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bobjr posted:One of my favorite things about GoT was this huge map where only part of it was focused on, with the rest being a mystery. Westeros itself is pretty small all things considered. I think indications are they would have stayed there. If they could cross water they could have gone around the Wall, unless the magic was keeping them from doing it.
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The “lore” says not-China has a massive series of fortifications in their northern border to defend against some legendary poo poo in their history that is pretty explicitly implied to be the same Long Night that happened to Westeros. So the Others/White Walkers are apparently a world wide threat.
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Jul 16, 2021 20:00
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New York Mets fireballer Noah Syndegaard has a brief cameo in the battle where Dany unleashes Drogon on the Lannisters He's hurling a javelin. P. good casting imo
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bobjr posted:One of my favorite things about GoT was this huge map where only part of it was focused on, with the rest being a mystery. Westeros itself is pretty small all things considered. hard to say given that the motivations of the white walkers were never explained. An unknowable enemy who does things for no apparent reason.
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I still laugh at this video that came out right after Season 5 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih_ZAGCfMY0
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Zaphod42 posted:You remember in like Season 1 and 2 where they have battles but can't show them, like the Starks and Lannister armies meet and it just cuts to Rob being like "hey we caught the kingslayer!" The scene towards the end of S1 where Catelyn is on the ridge watching for Robb to return from battle and he comes though the thicket with like two dozen guards is easily one of the most understated and effective sequences in the show, and IIRC they had to do it like that because they were nearly out of horse budget for the first season so they couldn't show a huge Stark army on the march. And to top it off that's where we see Robb managed to capture Jaime, which is a nice sort of obvious stakes elevation moment that the audience doesn't need to be beat over the head with. I can't think of anything comparable in the latter seasons.
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Bran early in Season 7: I can never be Lord of Winterfell. I can never be lord of anything. I'm the Three-Eyed Raven. Bran in the finale: gently caress yeah I came here to be king motherfucker gimmie dat crown
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PostNouveau posted:Bran early in Season 7: I can never be Lord of Winterfell. I can never be lord of anything. I'm the Three-Eyed Raven. This was clearly a plot point that GRRM said needs to happen but they laid zero ground work for it.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This was clearly a plot point that GRRM said needs to happen but they laid zero ground work for it. Just like basically everything in the last 3 episodes. I can see how GRRM would get there with a few more books. D&D should have just told him they couldn't do it and written the Jon + Dany 4ever ending everyone wanted.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This was clearly a plot point that GRRM said needs to happen but they laid zero ground work for it. Nah, I don't think that was them terrified to go against GRRM's ending plan. I think that was them trying to be subversive. D&D learned the wrong lesson from the Red Wedding. From then on, GOT was about chasing those controversial twist scenes. And "subverting expectations" became a buzzword right around the time of the final seasons. We'll see what GRRM's ending actually is (lol no we won't) but there's no way its going down like how the show did. There's just so much different that they'll be incomparable even if Bran sits the throne at the end, but I'm not so sure that's actually the way things will end.
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PostNouveau posted:I can see how GRRM would get there with a few more books. D&D should have just told him they couldn't do it and written the Jon + Dany 4ever ending everyone wanted. This makes it sound like D&D were working for GRRM. That's not the case at all. He sent them some notes and they were 100% free to ignore it or not. He had almost nothing to do with the production by the end, unlike the first season where he was writing most of the scripts, he basically wanted nothing to do with the show by the end. They wouldn't have even have had to ask his permission to go against his ending, they could do whatever they wanted. And HBO gave them all the rope they wanted to hang themselves with. If the ending was HBO mandating things or GRRM keeping them to a contract I could understand the fuckup better. But that's not what happened. They had full creative freedom to do anything they wanted with the show, and CHOOSE this because they thought it would be good. E: Like, I seriously doubt Cleganebowl is part of GRRM's ending. That was D&D doing what they thought the fans wanted. They thought they were killing it.
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Zaphod42 posted:This makes it sound like D&D were working for GRRM. That's not the case at all. I don't think they gave enough of a poo poo at that point to sit down with the writers and break through to a different ending though. They had the notes for the "real" one so why bother? There are a few things I think are just outright fan service like Arya killing the Night King and Cleganebowl. No way those things would happen if the books ever got finished. But Dany going nuts, Sansa as Queen in the North, King Bran, there's already groundwork in the books for that stuff. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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PostNouveau posted:I don't think they gave enough of a poo poo at that point to sit down with the writers and break through to a different ending though. They had the notes for the "real" one so why bother? Yeah that's a better way of putting it. They went with the notes they were given because it was the easy thing to do, the lazy thing. But they could have gone off-script if they had a sensible idea of how to end the story, they just didn't so  guess we'll do the notes thing?
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There are a few plot points to the story past the books already released that GRRM laid out plainly that they did. Burning Shireen, Hold the Door, and Bran being king. He didn’t tell them HOW they would happen because he didn’t loving know and likely still doesn’t because he is a directionless idiot. But those big bullet points are gonna happen, just maybe in a very different context. But the books are never coming out so oh well
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There are a few plot points to the story past the books already released that GRRM laid out plainly that they did. Burning Shireen, Hold the Door, and Bran being king. He didn’t tell them HOW they would happen because he didn’t loving know and likely still doesn’t because he is a directionless idiot. But those big bullet points are gonna happen, just maybe in a very different context. I think he's got a broad outline of how but he's twisted the plot into such a huge loving mess that he can't untangle it. I don't think he's suuuuuuuuper lazy and not trying, but it may just be intractable, and Brian Sanderson will poo poo out the book equivalent of the rushed TV ending once he dies. He'd originally planned to have the plot jump ahead 5 years and solve a lot of the problems with an exposition dump, but he abandoned that for some reason and now is stuck with like "well ... maybe it'll be 4 more books ..."
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PostNouveau posted:I think he's got a broad outline of how but he's twisted the plot into such a huge loving mess that he can't untangle it. I don't think he's suuuuuuuuper lazy and not trying, but it may just be intractable, and Brian Sanderson will poo poo out the book equivalent of the rushed TV ending once he dies. He made an outline for a trilogy in the early 90s that someone a couple years back got a hold of from some university archive and he changed a lot of poo poo but the very basics are the same and through 4 books (books 4 and 5 are one actual book) he’s not even halfway through the second part of the trilogy.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He made an outline for a trilogy in the early 90s that someone a couple years back got a hold of from some university archive and he changed a lot of poo poo but the very basics are the same and through 4 books (books 4 and 5 are one actual book) he’s not even halfway through the second part of the trilogy. 
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Also in the original outline Tyrion, Jon, and Ayra are in a love triangle. No I’m not lying.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:HBO just announced they’re green lighting 2 more spin-offs I don't get who their target audience for this is. Book readers are pissed at the show tarnishing and most likely being the only ending this franchise will get. The show never ever mentioned Yi Ti so Show only people very likely won't give a gently caress. You can't just have a random series just because "It happens on the universe of Game of Thrones", specially where the "fans" goodwill with the franchise is currently standing. AND specially since the show didn't give a crap about worldbuilding in fear of scaring away soccer moms. lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Also in the original outline Tyrion, Jon, and Ayra are in a love triangle. No I’m not lying. Oh, yeah I've seen that. I thought you were talking about a more developed document. I assume that one's way out of date. bobjr posted:I found the original letter, but not in any better quality than this. The part that sticks out to me here is "I find that if I know exactly where a book is going, I lose all interest in writing it"
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah I stroooongly agree. The hilarious thing is that apparently football players and loads of other people loving loved GoT when it was about politicking and intrigue. D&D just had such utter disdain for their audience and probably people in general, but what can we expect from a bunch of silver spooned failsons?
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