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Dawgstar posted:"Out here in the perimeter there are no stars. Out here we IS stoned. Immaculate." Hell no man, let him keep talking. 
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Dawgstar posted:"Out here in the perimeter there are no stars. Out here we IS stoned. Immaculate." "Jim was somewhere in his second drink when the drugs began to take hold - " "This is a real people only lounge!" "I'm an incredibly poorly disguised parody! I count!" And that's how Raoul King got into a fistfight with Louis Pasteur.
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Loomer posted:"Jim was somewhere in his second drink when the drugs began to take hold - " Raoul Duke. 
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joylessdivision posted:Raoul Duke. He got promoted.
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Jul 15, 2021 05:09
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That's what happens when you get to the other side of the chessboard, right?
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Dawgstar posted:Let's see, vampire, werewolf, mage AND wraith, right? (The werewolf one died but is not the wraith one, but that's because Garou can't be wraiths.) Garou can become Wraiths actually, they just usually reincarnate instead.
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FirstAidKite posted:Is this thread also for talking about onyx path and white wolf works in general or is it just their world of darkness/chronicles of darkness stuff? Asking because there's a kickstarter up for a new pugmire/monarchies thing about rats and mice. I'd never heard of Pugmire before this post and it sounds really interesting. And I'm hoo-hah crazy for anything involving rats. Anything done well, that is, and Squeaks in the Deep looks like it could be good. Is Monarchies of Mau like Pugmire but cat-oriented? I would follow a Pugmire thread.
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Yeah, Mau is cats. They were established in Pugmire but not given player stats till their own book Edit: Slightly more effort posty here. Pugmire is the capital city of the largest Dog civilization. The Monarchies of Mau are equal in size to the Dogs, but made up of smaller city states that squabble with each other when they are not allied against a current threat. That used to be Pugmire but recently that war ended so there is a tense peace going on. Mice and Rats live in and between both cultures not really having a country of their own. They were mostly glossed over in the Pugmire book and I don't have Mau which expands upon them. Except one group. The Rats/Mice of Labra-Tor. They are essentially a cult that believes them (Like cats and dogs do) to be the true heirs to Man. The difference is that they believe it because they practice the art of Science which for them is torturing other people and then writing about it. Twibbit fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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As long as they also try to take over the world.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Garou can become Wraiths actually, they just usually reincarnate instead. Garou go to their respective Tribal Homelands in the Umbra when they die. Different neighborhood than the Shadowlands and lower. The only one who became a wraith was Wepauwet of the Striders and that was a very weird situation.
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Dawgstar posted:Garou go to their respective Tribal Homelands in the Umbra when they die. Different neighborhood than the Shadowlands and lower. The only one who became a wraith was Wepauwet of the Striders and that was a very weird situation. In one of the books there's rules for Supes to become Wraiths and Werewolves are there, they're just rare.
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Dawgstar posted:Garou go to their respective Tribal Homelands in the Umbra when they die. Different neighborhood than the Shadowlands and lower. The only one who became a wraith was Wepauwet of the Striders and that was a very weird situation. *cough*Sam Haight*cough*
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ulmont posted:*cough*Sam Haight*cough* He got soul forged. Then blown into Oblivion because lol.
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ulmont posted:*cough*Sam Haight*cough* Oh, Kinfolk can become Wraith because they don't have the connection to the... man, I just feel weirder and weirder saying 'Tribal Homelands' because a lot of Werewolf just does not hold up but those. Some of them even became ghosts because they have unfinished business due to their relation suddenly having an extremely lethal tantrum. Once again I reflect I do not envy the W5 team because should strip out so much of the game.
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Dawgstar posted:Oh, Kinfolk can become Wraith because they don't have the connection to the... man, I just feel weirder and weirder saying 'Tribal Homelands' because a lot of Werewolf just does not hold up but those. Some of them even became ghosts because they have unfinished business due to their relation suddenly having an extremely lethal tantrum. Oh yeah. Back when I was working on my little owod text adventure I just refused to go with some of the language, because I'm not using Metis like that, goddamn.
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oWolf is up there as maybe the worst one for just casual language use.
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Loomer posted:Oh yeah. Back when I was working on my little owod text adventure I just refused to go with some of the language, because I'm not using Metis like that, goddamn. 'Wendigo' as a stand-in for northern Native American tribes is also... yeah, don't do that. 'Uktena' is honestly not much better. Ice Claws and Secret Keepers or something, anything, just come on.
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This is why, despite my complaints, WtF2 is just manifestly superior. Even if some of the old woof art is pretty great splatter punk fun.
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Dawgstar posted:'Wendigo' as a stand-in for northern Native American tribes is also... yeah, don't do that. 'Uktena' is honestly not much better. Ice Claws and Secret Keepers or something, anything, just come on. I for one cannot wait until I get around to reading and reviewing the 1e Apocalypse core so I can spend most of my time screaming every couple paragraphs because of something either horribly racist or gross. I think my Ascension 1e core is supposed to arrive today and that mess might be the first corebook I review for the project. Blood Dimmed Tides is currently slotted for episode 2 because magic dolphins sound hilarious and exactly the kind of dumb poo poo I'm reading these books for.
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joylessdivision posted:Blood Dimmed Tides is currently slotted for episode 2 because magic dolphins sound hilarious and exactly the kind of dumb poo poo I'm reading these books for. Hope you like unexpected lactation fetish!
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Blood Dimmed Tides is a treat from top to bottom. I say this out of love, that dumb book is one of my favorites
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Mors Rattus posted:Hope you like unexpected lactation fetish!  I mean I've specifically organized my notes for reviews on the books I'm reading as "Good, Bad and WTF", because there is a loooooot of WTF to be found.Hell I think I'd rather be grossed out by weird fetish poo poo at this point than the racist stuff I've encountered so far* *That is until the inevitable fetish poo poo goes too far and I start clawing my eyes out and or questioning my life choices.
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joylessdivision posted:I for one cannot wait until I get around to reading and reviewing the 1e Apocalypse core so I can spend most of my time screaming every couple paragraphs because of something either horribly racist or gross. I'm reminded of my favorite bit from Rage Across New York, which was a very early 1e title and when it got to the Native American tribes went on about how while of course the European tribes were awful and terrible and etc the Pure Tribes were, well, pure and when they fought they only did so for just and honorable reasons. There was something almost... noble about the savagery.
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Dawgstar posted:I'm reminded of my favorite bit from Rage Across New York, which was a very early 1e title and when it got to the Native American tribes went on about how while of course the European tribes were awful and terrible and etc the Pure Tribes were, well, pure and when they fought they only did so for just and honorable reasons. There was something almost... noble about the savagery. I mean.... that's basically Rage Across Australia as well. 1e Werewolf was real loving bad about the Magical Native trope because it was still a Bridges joint at that point.
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I've been reading through Mage the Ascension stuff, trying to think of how to make a better game and give it a reboot in line with V5, which I know is a mixed bag, and there's a lot of that weird racist grouping of things together. They even openly address it in in character in the Guide to the Traditions because it's that bad. MtAs also had one of the most insane fiction series, the Ascension Warrior trilogy, which they retconned because went on in it was probably on par with Secrets of the Black Hand. M20 didn't help things much, even walking back some changes like the tradition names by saying they changed them to be more sensitive or whatever and then having the headings for those traditions being the old name. In conclusion, Mage the Ascension was a game of contrasts, most of them bad. Sadly, I still feel a great deal of nostalgia for Mage the Ascension.
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Kurieg posted:I mean.... Hooboy like I said, I can not wait to dive into more 1e stuff. Mostly because I know it's going to be the source of the most weird/bad/hilarious poo poo I'm going to find. Also the racism, Jesus tap dancing Christ, the racism.
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It’s a frequent claim that Weinberg’s work was retconned or decanoned but I have never seen anything to actually back it up. TAW even got direct references later on in the line.
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Loomer posted:It’s a frequent claim that Weinberg’s work was retconned or decanoned but I have never seen anything to actually back it up. TAW even got direct references later on in the line. There's a disclaimer at the end of Horizon War 3: War in Heaven stating everything after the destruction of Doisstep isn't canon but a lot stuff went down in a less extreme way due to the events between second edition and revised. So it's very vague but then again a lot of OWoD books are vague due to being unreliable narrators.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:There's a disclaimer at the end of Horizon War 3: War in Heaven stating everything after the destruction of Doisstep isn't canon but a lot stuff went down in a less extreme way due to the events between second edition and revised. So it's very vague but then again a lot of OWoD books are vague due to being unreliable narrators. Yep - and then a bunch of books directly reference the fall of Horizon as it was depicted anyway. The closest thing I’ve seen is that disclaimer, and it’s for a chunk of a book and contradicted by later publications.
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joylessdivision posted:Hooboy like I said, I can not wait to dive into more 1e stuff. Mostly because I know it's going to be the source of the most weird/bad/hilarious poo poo I'm going to find. quote:Staunch defenders of marsupials, however, claim the qualities of marsupials have been given too little consideration, simply because they apparently lost the evolutionary race with placentals. Some of these biologists say this defamation stems from "pouch envy" and the fact that marsupial males' genitalia are much bigger in comparison to those of placental males. The Bunyip, by the way, bred with marsupials... 
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Kurieg posted:This art and this paragraph appear on the same page in RAA 
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:I've been reading through Mage the Ascension stuff, trying to think of how to make a better game and give it a reboot in line with V5, which I know is a mixed bag, and there's a lot of that weird racist grouping of things together. They even openly address it in in character in the Guide to the Traditions because it's that bad. MtAs also had one of the most insane fiction series, the Ascension Warrior trilogy, which they retconned because went on in it was probably on par with Secrets of the Black Hand. M20 didn't help things much, even walking back some changes like the tradition names by saying they changed them to be more sensitive or whatever and then having the headings for those traditions being the old name. This is very much why I'm excited to dig into the 1e corebook. I know basically nothing about Ascension other than everyone here has pointed out it's a mess for various reasons and the storyteller screen is  and the best $10 I've spent on a used WW product. So it's got that going for it.
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Weren't the werewolves in the Howling series actually marsupials?
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Soonmot posted:Weren't the werewolves in the Howling series actually marsupials? Only in Howling 4, which is about kangaroos.
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Kurieg posted:This art and this paragraph appear on the same page in RAA Why, yes, the War of Tears was fought over penis envy some writer thought.
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