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leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
Lmao at the master’s in public administration and the fact that they themselves were dinged by the tax.

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qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Ah yeah, the renowned Public Administration Masters degree, one can only dream of such a prodigious position in society.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


It takes a sometimes herculean effort to maintain the status quo against all the forces for progress.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

qhat posted:

Like honestly you don’t go around wishing things could be better while actually voting for policies that do the exact opposite. By voting NDP your might end up splitting the vote and putting a conservative in power anyway, but people will notice a swing from libs to NDP and it might, might, precipitate a shift left in policies for the liberals.

We tried that and got the orange wave in Quebec and Ontario split the vote into a conservative majority.
Then the Liberals outflanked the NDP from the left and reneged on all their campaign promises except marijuana legalization.

Even when the liberals do deliver on a good promise it’s like a monkeys paw wish.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Kraftwerk posted:

We tried that and got the orange wave in Quebec and Ontario split the vote into a conservative majority.
Then the Liberals outflanked the NDP from the left and reneged on all their campaign promises except marijuana legalization.

Even when the liberals do deliver on a good promise it’s like a monkeys paw wish.

So the solution is to vote in conservatives? It seems like what you describe proves my point of the party moving to the left rather than the right. Yeah sure they decided to renege on key campaign promises which is super lovely and it definitely didn't pass unnoticed, but at least for a while there it seemed they got punished with a minority govt. But who knows now, they look set to go back to a majority soon. Eitherway, none of this would’ve been solved by voting for a conservative, in fact, it would've got much worse.

qhat fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jul 3, 2021

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

qhat posted:

So the solution is to vote in conservatives? It seems like what you describe proves my point of the party moving to the left rather than the right. Yeah sure they decided to renege on key campaign promises which is super lovely and it definitely didn't pass unnoticed, but at least for a while there it seemed they got punished with a minority govt. But who knows now, they look set to go back to a majority soon. Eitherway, none of this would’ve been solved by voting for a conservative, in fact, it would've got much worse.

No I don’t support the conservatives either. I’ve been a life long NDP voter who voted Liberal twice. Once to get McGuinty elected and once for Trudeau after Harper. It’s just that the liberals eat the NDPs voting base when they promise left wing things and get their poo poo together as the party of “hope and change”. When the liberals poo poo the bed and get caught in a financial scandal their voters split in two directions. Some vote conservative and the real centre-left votes go NDP. The problem is the conservative swing voters combine with the die hards to give us conservative majorities every 8-10 years and nobody ever learns. Canada is hardcore fiscally conservative. We have plenty of HENRYs and people who depend on their home equity for fiscal solvency which prevents us from doing gently caress all with our government.

The scariest thing for Canada politically is when the Conservative party starts pandering to immigrant communities with promises of traditional values and fiscal responsibility. That poo poo is like catnip for Thornhill Jews, Markham Asians, Etobicoke Ukrainians and Brampton Indians. They line up and give you people like Stephen Harper and Doug Ford because the conservatives thread the needle between 905 racial inclusivity and keeping your taxes low while giving you more ways to pay invest your money or split your income tax reports. That makes more of a difference in these peoples lives than anything the NDP can promise and there’s just enough of them in 905 that they can deliver the votes needed to flip the HoC to the Tories. If they make that play again based on fear mongering about Trudeau’s inflation spending and somehow thread the needle with “old stock Canadians” and more traditionalist minorities the way Harper did we are toast.

I’ll probably vote NDP again but Richmond Hill is a conservative leaning liberal stronghold so I’d be splitting the vote in favour of the conservatives. If Trudeau gets spooked enough to bribe us with stronger labour laws or infrastructure spending then I’ll vote liberal if the NDP can’t do much better.

All I know is that for as long as I’ve been politically active the NDP have been a party of milquetoast wannabe liberals who lose elections and barely register anywhere. Most people I know either don’t trust them or don’t see the point in voting for them over the liberals. It’s tiresome and it’s making me want to just vote Liberal and ignore everything else until some sort of credible challenge to the status quo manifests via a national crisis. Given how the NDP aggressively tone police their activist base and shut out any radicals I can’t see them offering anything special or unique beyond moving the needle ever slightly more to the left of the liberals. I’d argue they can do that better as kingmaker to a minority govt than anything else.


TL;DR: Our political system is stable, boring and mostly driven by pocket book/tax issues with some pandering to “traditional values” where depending on who says it can mean anything to anyone. It’s deadlocked with boring incompetent politicians who don’t want to rock the boat and there’s plenty of people benefitting from the current system in vote-rich suburbs that I have very little to be excited about during elections beyond casting my vote in whichever direction keeps the conservatives out of majority government.

Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jul 3, 2021

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Voting out conservatives and making the NDP the official opposition isn't a great solution but it would be a drat sight better than the cons ever coming back into power. Barring a full on socialist uprising of people rioting over housing prices.

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



so then join an org line the DSC or something to try and push the NDP rather than just relying on your oh so valuable Vote

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

A not at all problematic novel idea from Saretzky

https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1411141546284515331?s=20

Also I gotta question this guy's real estate knowledge if he thinks stuff is "dirt cheap" in "many" parts of Canada. I suppose yes you can exclude the entirety of British Columbia and still have a fair bit of Canada left over to justify "many."

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Saretsky thinks millennials can somehow use Bitcoin to close the wealth gap with boomers, rather than just further enriching the people who already have lots of money from their parents. And that FIVRE604 account has been getting into transphobia (check their likes)

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Steve Saretsky has been a piece of poo poo for a while now. His Twitter feed nowadays is 90% really bad uneducated takes on the banking system and Bitcoin and I guess now he’s migrating onto the anti immigrant bandwagon. As if immigrants had loving anything at all to do with the recent rise in home prices in Canada.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

He's thinking of moving to Calgary for "lifestyle" reasons.

https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1411490442323972097?s=20

https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1411493404643454979?s=20

Let's google to see what the tax difference actually is. Surely there's a big difference between "communist utopia" British Columbia and "Texas North" Alberta.

Intuit's tax calculator says that someone earning $120k pays $29,362 in taxes in BC and... $29,637 in Alberta. Sooo you're actually worse off lmao.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

PST maybe?

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

That’s just the “moving to Texas” thing from American politics

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Juul-Whip posted:

Saretsky thinks millennials can somehow use Bitcoin to close the wealth gap with boomers, rather than just further enriching the people who already have lots of money from their parents. And that FIVRE604 account has been getting into transphobia (check their likes)

Yeah sad to say but pretty much anyone still going off on demand side talking points on twitter at this point, after the demand siders won and got everything they wanted, is probably a weirdo and into some weird poo poo, being either a xenophobe weirdo, terf or worse. I knew that FIVRE604 was a terf. Judy Rudin too. Mortimer posts funny poo poo, but there's def some xenophobic vibes there whenever he highlights the Chinese name behind some dumpy investment property.

The more levelheaded demand side people such as Davidoff, Sandy Garossino stopped talking about demand side action forever ago because uhh what is there to talk about? Demand siders won. We're collecting the data now, which was the big ask, and we have taxes on foreign buying, empty homes and secondary homes. These have brought foreign home buying down to near zero levels.

Anyone who isn't satisfied by the array of demand side measures introduced to date had another agenda to push (ie. xenophobia).

Femtosecond fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jul 4, 2021

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

odiv posted:

PST maybe?

Oh yeah forgot bout that. I guess Saretsky wants to buy a new Audi SUV and save $3500.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

When you're buying one every year it adds up.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Femtosecond posted:

A not at all problematic novel idea from Saretzky

https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1411141546284515331?s=20

Also I gotta question this guy's real estate knowledge if he thinks stuff is "dirt cheap" in "many" parts of Canada. I suppose yes you can exclude the entirety of British Columbia and still have a fair bit of Canada left over to justify "many."

can someone tell this rear end in a top hat that prices are up like 40% in armpit, ontario

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


RBC posted:

can someone tell this rear end in a top hat that prices are up like 40% in armpit, ontario

He's a BC guy. They're down 90% in Lytton.

half cocaine
Jul 22, 2019


Isn't Saretsky related to West Jet founders?

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


half cocaine posted:

Isn't Saretsky related to West Jet founders?

His uncle is Gregg Saretsky, former CEO of WestJet, and notorious anti-unionist.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

gently caress COREY PERRY posted:

so then join an org line the DSC or something to try and push the NDP rather than just relying on your oh so valuable Vote

I mean apart from the DSC thing that is what I do. I would much rather have the NDP as official opposition, worthless as Singh is as a leader, if it meant that their heckling of the Liberals pushed Canadian politics further from center left.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006
Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

qhat posted:

Steve Saretsky has been a piece of poo poo for a while now. His Twitter feed nowadays is 90% really bad uneducated takes on the banking system and Bitcoin and I guess now he’s migrating onto the anti immigrant bandwagon. As if immigrants had loving anything at all to do with the recent rise in home prices in Canada.

"Wait, it's all just Canadians borrowing as much money as they can?" "Always has been."

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

*Canada having a long weekend reflecting on reconciliation with the Indigenous*

YIMBYS that only know how to talk about housing: "It's great to live under a landlord, if they're indigenous."

https://twitter.com/amoralorealis/status/1411785093773881346?s=20

That's a novel take for sure, though not unexpected given how excited YIMBYs have become about Senakw, sensing the new opportunity to gain ground.

We've already had tons of this sort of thing in the environmental movement, where activists shamelessly leverage indigenous people to further their goals.

Femtosecond fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jul 5, 2021

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


Why not just expropriate the land then? Why have land ownership at all? The canadian left is so muddled that they actually believe in the supposed neutrality of the system lol. Why would anyone in power do such a thing, unless they were also in a position to just do a revolutionary overthrow? Like this policy would go so far against intrenched interests that you would effectively be declaring war on them anyway.

large hands
Jan 24, 2006
Congratulations everyone, thanks to the pandemic, everyone is rich now

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Me on the toilet counting the six figure salary I get from my house just existing

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

large hands posted:

Congratulations everyone, thanks to the pandemic, everyone is rich now

“The haves are doing fantastic!”

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Ok, now calculate the median wealth.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Last summer the house down the street sold for 1.1 million, which was insane because it had only sold a few years earlier for about 800k. I guess the new buyers were only holding onto it for the regulated 1 year to get that sweet primary residence exemption because it's back on the market for 1.3 million. It's a modest little 2br house with an unfinished basement on a tiny lot.

Jam Band Death Cult
Feb 29, 2008

I'm Very Glad I'm Going To Be An Earl
Anecdotes from the Montreal rental market:
I'm looking to move to somewhere with a spare room for teleworking, unless I can get sent back to the office, which doesn't seem terribly likely in the near future.
I've been called back twice now by landlords offering a lower rent for apartments i've visited but not followed up on.
It's still too expensive. But I'm also noticing several apartments that have been advertised as empty for weeks now whereas it seemed like it took only days for even the shittiest deals to get taken up last fall.
I think financial capacity has been reached? Or otherwise that landlords overbid based on what was in the press. Either way, I'm not displeased. But still haven't found anything really worthwhile and remain willing to wait.

sitchensis
Mar 4, 2009

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Monthly Vancouver real estate update

The fun doesn't end with single family homes



That is a lovely area/busy industrial trucking street too.

Quoting from CSPAM

My partner is interested in buying a condo in the region together. I'm pretty begrudging about it. We are LGBT so we can't exactly hop over to Chilliwack and call it a day without feeling like we are sacrificing a part of ourselves to just own a place (i.e. the freedom to hold hands in public without second guessing)

As usual, the market is just bonkers. We want a 2 bed condo for less than $500k and... well, you have to go to Pitt Meadows to start seeing those prices.

Doesn't look like we'll be buying anything for a long, long time unless we move to a completely different city. So Calgary here we come I guess.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


I would be legitimately surprised if that condo there sold, ever. Even for a new build, it's grossly overpriced. Looking at that building specifically, there are 12 listings all at similar price points and no sales, many having been on the market for almost 4 months.

large hands
Jan 24, 2006


from a financial post article about boomers helping their kids with million dollar mortgages

large hands fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jul 17, 2021

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Well have you considered having richer parents?

Slotducks
Oct 16, 2008

Nobody puts Phil in a corner.


https://twitter.com/vsualst/status/1416417427856973827

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Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Maybe you'd have more disposable income if you owned some rental properties.

half cocaine
Jul 22, 2019


Maybe you guys should manage your TFSAs better (PBUH his Holiness Stephen Harper).

Slotducks
Oct 16, 2008

Nobody puts Phil in a corner.


half cocaine posted:

Maybe you guys should manage your TFSAs better (PBUH his Holiness Stephen Harper).

:D 0.05% annual interest to the fuckin' MOOOOOOON baby!

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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Slotducks posted:

:D 0.05% annual interest to the fuckin' MOOOOOOON baby!

What the hell bad investments do you have your TFSA's tied up in!? An actual savings account?

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