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Manager Hoyden posted:That's pretty us-centric. It also gives rise to the problem of every other nations' people hearing the massive hatred for the us and believing their own nation is one of the good guys. Hint: if you are reading this then your nation is not in fact one of the good guys. 
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Josef bugman posted:I mean I'm from the UK. There is, and remains, a large amount of people who hate us for very justified reasons, for instance, Ireland. It's important to acknowledge how bad "you" have been. As a state. That's different from thinking yourself responsible. I doubt you yourself were an MP during the Great Famine. But I'm also specifically responding to a US trend. US people who have no idea what it is like in other rich nations thinking that americans are somehow uniquely dumb and evil compared to the general population of the world. Almost always rather well-off white people at that. It's just american exceptionalism in reverse, like the people flipping their poo poo when Trump got elected at how "we are so stupid (except me)" while never even hearing of Brexit.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's important to acknowledge how bad "you" have been. As a state. That's different from thinking yourself responsible. I doubt you yourself were an MP during the Great Famine. There's definitely an air of elitism to it, combined with the "I'm not like other girls" style attitude but for nationality. Look at how many self-proclaimed socialists were mocking the people who died during the Texas power outage, simply because they had the audacity to live in a red state. Fashionable Jorts has a new favorite as of 01:26 on Jul 18, 2021 |
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Jul 18, 2021 01:24
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If y’all can’t handle america at her worst then you don’t deserve her at her best
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I love America which is why I wanted to be better and why I want all of the people that I personally hate to suffer to make it happen.
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reminds me of an interview with Paul Leary of the butthole surfers. He said "I love Texas, but I wish it was the way I wanted it to be." He said he thought everyone's obsession with guns was not good first comment on YouTube was calling him a commie cuck lol, fuckin conservative punk fans 
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Jul 18, 2021 03:03
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Josef bugman posted:I mean I'm from the UK. There is, and remains, a large amount of people who hate us for very justified reasons, for instance, Ireland. the issue isn't 'accepting'. the issue is large swathes of the american internet at large taking near every opportunity to make snarky comments about the US while having borderline zero knowledge of any of what they're talking about. it's not 'US cops need to stop shooting people' it's https://twitter.com/benigma2017/status/1391744813976936452 with the implication that every other country in the world has magical socialized dentistry that covers absolutely everything, and the US is uniquely awful in that people here have to pay for dental care. It's a pervasive attitude that leads to people assuming that if there's a problem they experience while living in the US, it's something that they'd only experience in the US.
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Jul 18, 2021 04:12
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Flagellating yourself for poo poo that happened before you were born, or that's completely out of your control is loving stupid. Anybody using terms like hell world and poo poo like that can also get hosed. Willingly ignoring all the beauty, goodness, and majesty in this world so you can focus on only the worst aspects is dumb as all poo poo.
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Jul 18, 2021 04:23
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Gaius Marius posted:Flagellating yourself for poo poo that happened before you were born, or that's completely out of your control is loving stupid. I’ve said it elsewhere but the constant doomscrolling and doom posting a lot of people do is the emotional version of cutting. It has the same effects on brain chemistry and is also addictive for the same reasons. There’s tons of posters here and elsewhere that are basically hooked on mental self-harm.
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Jul 18, 2021 04:28
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Gaius Marius posted:Flagellating yourself for poo poo that happened before you were born, or that's completely out of your control is loving stupid. Hard agree
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ishikabibble posted:the issue isn't 'accepting'. the issue is large swathes of the american internet at large taking near every opportunity to make snarky comments about the US while having borderline zero knowledge of any of what they're talking about. \\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ Edit: Post/av combo mind the walrus has a new favorite as of 04:36 on Jul 18, 2021 |
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some are addicted to doom posting, some are addicted to finding the higher horse personally, I'm perfectly well-adjusted
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hawowanlawow posted:some are addicted to doom posting, some are addicted to finding the higher horse Gaius Marius posted:Flagellating yourself for poo poo that happened before you were born, or that's completely out of your control is loving stupid. Hey trots! I shouldn't be forced to hate history because all of you view it as evil! It is my passion go gently caress off!
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Gaius Marius posted:Flagellating yourself for poo poo that happened before you were born, or that's completely out of your control is loving stupid. 
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Gaius Marius posted:Willingly ignoring all the beauty, goodness, and majesty in this world so you can focus on only the worst aspects is dumb as all poo poo. We're destroying all of those things to make number go up.
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Jul 18, 2021 07:07
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Byzantine posted:We're destroying all of those things to make number go up. I'm definitely predisposed to being a doomer, but I think you can realise that while also appreciating good things in the moment.
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Sure, but I still benefit from those same structures of power. The entirety of current existence is built on suffering and to turn away from that just because it cannot exist otherwise at the present time seems immoral. I mean the existence of dumb poo poo the world over does not make the dumb poo poo done nearby feel any less daft. When was this, if I can ask? [joke post] I still don't really "get" people who love their nation. I try and love the people living in my country, but I don't give one poo poo about the idea of "nation". I am also unsure how you got that read, tbh. Many countries do have dental practices that are better/cheaper and more readily available than the USA. A lot of the problems we experience are not unique no matter where we are of course, but sometimes they find worse expression where we are. Sure. But being aware and pointing it out is not flagellating oneself. You can try and improve things, and you should, but an awareness that a lot of what is being done is based on bad things is important to figure out. Do you have any studies on this, I'd love to read more. Eh, I think that "well-adjusted" is a myth. You shouldn't hate it, but what causes you to hate descriptions of things that happened? Those people are not you, but at the same time it's neccesary to see what was done in order to create what is. Also this.
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Josef bugman posted:
Somewhere, I’ll try to dig them up. All I can find easily on the search terms that come to mind gets me pop-sci but cited bits about vicious cycles.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Somewhere, I’ll try to dig them up. All I can find easily on the search terms that come to mind gets me pop-sci but cited bits about vicious cycles. See I am not sure that this is not an unpopular opinion, but it is one I strongly hold, pop sci stuff acting as obfuscation for wanting to learn about a topic is incredibly irritating. It's like when you try and understand self loathing and you get a tumblr saying to love oneself. It's weird as hell.
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Josef bugman posted:See I am not sure that this is not an unpopular opinion, but it is one I strongly hold, pop sci stuff acting as obfuscation for wanting to learn about a topic is incredibly irritating. I’ll put it this way, the main article I found was a Wired one. 10 years ago I’d cite it, now I’m like “ugh, wired agrees with me?” gently caress I miss Wired being good.
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Jul 18, 2021 11:01
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Look at how many self-proclaimed socialists were mocking the people who died during the Texas power outage, simply because they had the audacity to live in a red state. Everytime there's a disaster in the south like flooding, hurricanes or fires it brings out the "They all deserve it for living there" crowd. These people never stop to think that a lot of the people worst affected are the poor communities including poor black communities still dealing with the legacy of being stuck in the south.
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ishikabibble posted:the issue isn't 'accepting'. the issue is large swathes of the american internet at large taking near every opportunity to make snarky comments about the US while having borderline zero knowledge of any of what they're talking about. This. Like, I have a french cousin that got an arm blown off in Afghanistan. If I mention this in discussions about how lovely the war was, angry americans are often baffled that France was even there. Let alone that the french army to this day is essentially enforcing the former empire USA-style in Africa. That one is at least kind of forgivable because anyone alive then prolly remembers the Freedom Fries era and are just muddling Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Atticus_1354 posted:Everytime there's a disaster in the south like flooding, hurricanes or fires it brings out the "They all deserve it for living there" crowd. These people never stop to think that a lot of the people worst affected are the poor communities including poor black communities still dealing with the legacy of being stuck in the south. People who say this aren't capable of empathy, full stop. The hard freeze here in Texas has taught me that I'm not worthy of life and I don't matter to anyone because I'm incapable of convincing Ted Cruz not to being a wet bag of hair. Everyone needs to relearn what compassion really is.
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fizzymercury posted:Everyone needs to relearn what compassion really is. The problem is that everything does not reward compassion, and viciousness is too frequently mistaken for "depth".
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Josef bugman posted:The problem is that everything does not reward compassion, and viciousness is too frequently mistaken for "depth".
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mind the walrus posted:Compassion does get rewarded, but compassion is an active choice toward the goal of Construction. And Construction is fundamentally more difficult and forever outpaced by the ease of Destruction. Can I ask where? Also I fundamentally disagree with this. Destruction and rebellion is just as valid as constructing something or maintaining something.
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Josef bugman posted:Can I ask where? Also I fundamentally disagree with this. Destruction and rebellion is just as valid as constructing something or maintaining something. I would agree with this if we were referring to the small communities of cooperation we existed in hundreds of thousands of years ago. But ever since classism and, more largely, capitalism got involved in divvying out the resources, some of the worst capacities of humanity are rewarded at every turn.
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:I would agree with this if we were referring to the small communities of cooperation we existed in hundreds of thousands of years ago. But ever since classism and, more largely, capitalism got involved in divvying out the resources, some of the worst capacities of humanity are rewarded at every turn. I would say it's always been like this, warlords sitting on a throne while the peasants harvest grain because they happen to be the most capable of and willing to do violence upon others. But yeah, the rise of capitalism has allowed things to get worse. Nobody who accrues large amounts of wealth are decent humans. The best paying jobs for those who's drive is to help others are fractions of a fraction of the earning potential of those who would exploit.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I would say it's always been like this, warlords sitting on a throne while the peasants harvest grain because they happen to be the most capable of and willing to do violence upon others. But yeah, the rise of capitalism has allowed things to get worse. I'm speaking to the time immediately before the invention of the till. According to the available evidence, armed conflict before that wasn't a thing besides the very rare exiling of community members.
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Lack of evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen. The mummy they found in the ice had the blood of four people on their weapons and had arrow wounds. poo poo chimps go to war and the best they got is sticks. Also kind of ignoring that we likely ate and/or hosed the Neanderthal out of existence.
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Guyver posted:Also kind of ignoring that we likely ate and/or hosed the Neanderthal out of existence. Nah, Neanderthal extinction was going to happen whether homo sapien was around or not. At worst we sped it up a bit.
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:I'm speaking to the time immediately before the invention of the till. According to the available evidence, armed conflict before that wasn't a thing besides the very rare exiling of community members. Oh I missed the "hundreds of" part of your statement, and yeah. Pre-agrarian humans seemed pretty dope socially. Tight knit family bonds, everyone working together, no such thing as sexism.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Pre-agrarian humans seemed pretty dope socially. Tight knit family bonds, everyone working together, no such thing as sexism. This is just more crappy mystical native myth. There's plenty wrong now but putting these societies on a pedestal is just another way of ignoring the truth of it.
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Atticus_1354 posted:This is just more crappy mystical native myth. There's plenty wrong now but putting these societies on a pedestal is just another way of ignoring the truth of it. I dunno, I've seen some legit sources talking about how hunter-gatherer tribes would've functioned, and it seems to favour these ideas. Nomadic familial groups travelling together, communal child rearing, and leadership being in the form of "the older and wiser" regardless of gender. Not saying that I wanna send humans back to that time, I enjoy being able to live past 30 and survive serious injuries, but there's a lot of talk about how so many of our social woes didn't really start until we built houses and grew crops.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I dunno, I've seen some legit sources talking about how hunter-gatherer tribes would've functioned, and it seems to favour these ideas. Nomadic familial groups travelling together, communal child rearing, and leadership being in the form of "the older and wiser" regardless of gender. Would you care to share these sources? Because we've been fighting each other since before we were homo sapiens. Sure crowding a bunch of people together makes many of our negatives and positives more pronounced but we didn't just live like peaceful wood elves before agriculture.
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Atticus_1354 posted:Would you care to share these sources? Because we've been fighting each other since before we were homo sapiens. Sure crowding a bunch of people together makes many of our negatives and positives more pronounced but we didn't just live like peaceful wood elves before agriculture. Oh, yeah, I'm not saying there was never conflict ever pre-agriculture. Just nobody would've been involved in slave labour or brutal gender roles. It's hard to find papers that aren't locked behind a paywall, but theres a few interesting ones like New evidence suggests that contrary to long-held beliefs, women were also big-game hunters, and we need to go back to communal child-rearing. Most gender disparity came from the down time that a pregnant or nursing woman would deal with.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I would say it's always been like this, warlords sitting on a throne while the peasants harvest grain because they happen to be the most capable of and willing to do violence upon others. But yeah, the rise of capitalism has allowed things to get worse. I think human beings are unfortunately hardwired for hierarchy and will create one in its absense. It's weird to see that one of the few constants in human history is a formal or informal caste system and the people at the top are consistently somewhere between worthless and harmful.
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lmao people are so blackpilled by capitalism and classism they think people were always super atomized and tearing each other apart. The record of human war and hierarchy is just a blip on our record as a species, an anomaly really. Jokerpilled Drudge has a new favorite as of 18:26 on Jul 18, 2021 |
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:lmao people are so blackpilled by capitalism and classism they think people were always super atomized and tearing each other apart. I don't think pre-agrarian humans were the peaceful nature children you're imagining
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