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Safety Dance posted:I'm curious, how did they fail? Could you post pictures of the failure? I'll snag some photos in a bit, but it looks basically identical to this: https://www.radowners.com/index.php?topic=510.0
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I rode an e-bike. I didn't go farther or faster than normal, but it sure was easy.  
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We got one! My teenage daughter has figured out that she can load me up with drinks/snacks/lunch/her coat and I can follow her around while her bike is “clean”
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 Just a post to state that electric cargobikes rule. I needed a single board and have misplaced my roof rack so I did this instead. That's 4.2 meters right there  I've also done a few trash hauls to the recycling center. Might do one more tomorrow.
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Is there an end in sight to the current stock issues with e-bikes? This one is available in my size, though I'd prefer the non-SL model for longer range and one with a rack/fenders. Also not such a bright color. But there is almost nothing in stock - would it be a bad idea to go for this bike, or just wait and see when something more ideal comes in stock? https://www.specialized.com/us/en/turbo-vado-sl-4-0/p/154894 e: This bike also seems to be getting pretty good reviews, and even if performance isn't the best it has everything for less than half the price. Haven't seen it pop up in this thread, does anyone know if it's a good choice? https://www.chargebikes.com/products/city-electric-bike AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Is there an end in sight to the current stock issues with e-bikes? If you can find something in stock in your size, it may not stay in stock long. The entire bike industry is having very difficult supply chain issues, and all we know for sure is that they will not be catching up before mid-2022. The stock issues could go on even longer!
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learnincurve posted:We got one!
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bicievino posted:I rode an e-bike. Also you look impossibly cool lmao. Invalido posted:
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Twerk from Home posted:If you can find something in stock in your size, it may not stay in stock long. And sure enough, it's gone. I suppose it was my fault for giving a second thought to a $3600 purchase.
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The lack of pannier fittings on a $3600 city ebike would have been incredibly annoying though.
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evil_bunnY posted:Turning any errand into "going for a spin, BRB" is the loving best. It is the best. Pretty much everything I do with my e-bikes could be accomplished by car but there would be no joy involved. Also way less convenient to find parking.
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Semi-dumb question, but do the dimensions of an ebike impact the overall seat post height when calculating bike fit, or do all the standard bike fit rules apply with respect to comfort, leg extension, and so on? I'm going to probably make a few adjustments on my ride but I don't know enough to know if there should be a major difference.
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Standard bike fit rules, with the caveats that if the battery is behind you then it could effect how low the saddle can go, and you might want to be sure you can balance with your foot on the ground if your e-bike is heavy.
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One issue that might not have any compensation is that middrive motors can be very wide and result in large Q-factors. Like on fat bikes, you just have to live with it. I suppose you could drop the seat down a smidge?
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Seat's already a bit too low and tilted up for my tastes, I'd like a more neutral and higher seat height. I did get a professional fit for my non e-bike and the overall pedal distance gives me a rough idea of where I need to adjust.
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I'm looking for a 20"-26" wheeled e-bike with a rear rack, rear derailleur, disc brakes, without a suspension fork, that looks more like a city bike/commuter. I found this one from 'Macwheel' on amazon, but it doesn't have disc brakes and am a little leery of buying something like that from an unknown brand : https://www.amazon.com/Macwheel-Ele...27576205&sr=8-3 The Blix Aveny looks pretty perfect, but is around $1700. Is that about the price for this kind of bike if I want some amount of service/parts availability? https://blixbike.com/products/aveny-electric-city-bike 
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frogbs posted:
From what they specify, the components are real bike parts, though low-tier. The biggest limitation I see is that it uses a 7-speed freewheel on the electric hub (I asked their support to make sure). So you'll never be able to upgrade past 7 speeds, and you're locked into the 7 speed shifter. Only time would tell how good stuff like the wheels and bottom bracket are in terms of wear.
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IME the stuff that kills a cheap ebike is always a failed powered or drivetrain component you can't get replacements for. I'd really, really aim to get something supported by either Shimano or Bosch. When my di2 geared hub failed I had a replacement at my bike store in under 4 days. Try that with an amazon special.
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frogbs posted:I'm looking for a 20"-26" wheeled e-bike with a rear rack, rear derailleur, disc brakes, without a suspension fork, that looks more like a city bike/commuter. I found this one from 'Macwheel' on amazon, but it doesn't have disc brakes and am a little leery of buying something like that from an unknown brand : https://www.amazon.com/Macwheel-Ele...27576205&sr=8-3 I haven't seen a quality name brand ebike for less than $1k. https://www.radpowerbikes.com/products/radcity-electric-commuter-bike I have a Rad Runner and it's been pretty decent, quality wise. Some complaints about the bolts they use, but it's all aluminum so I kind of expected that.
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SamsCola posted:I haven't seen a quality name brand ebike for less than $1k. Nice! Based on what I’ve seen RadPower seems to be the likeliest of the cheaper brands to stay around. I see their bikes everywhere. I also saw a Tern HSD at REI the other day and though it seemed really well designed. Not sure I could justify paying twice as much vs a Rad Wagon though. It does have much better components, Bosch motor and it’s a mid drive.
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Tern doesn't make the highest end stuff but it's really decent IME. Our GSD had teething problems for example, but they've fixed all of them on the gen2.
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evil_bunnY posted:Tern doesn't make the highest end stuff but it's really decent IME. Our GSD had teething problems for example, but they've fixed all of them on the gen2. Thanks! I might take one for a spin next time i'm at REI. Does anyone have any thoughts on Aventon's e-bikes? The Pace 500 (https://www.aventon.com/products/aventon-pace-500-complete-bike) meets most of my requirements, but doesn't come with a rack, fenders or lights, which you get for the same price with a Rad City.
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 My Priority Current Arrived, how exciting. Now to sit here instead of putting it together because I'm lazy.
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I did the Bridge Pedal in Portland Oregon this weekend, and saw a guy with a little e-bike that I didn't recognize. It was black and mid-drive (looked like a Bosch motor but not 100% on that), and was sort of like a Brompton, with 16" or 20" wheels, but didn't look like it folded. It had a small rack in the back. It was sort of like a Tern HSD that wasn't as long, and didn't look as 'modern'. It almost looked like a mid-drive Velo Orange Neutrino with a rack on the back. Anyone have any idea what bike that might have been?
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frogbs posted:I did the Bridge Pedal in Portland Oregon this weekend, and saw a guy with a little e-bike that I didn't recognize. It was black and mid-drive (looked like a Bosch motor but not 100% on that), and was sort of like a Brompton, with 16" or 20" wheels, but didn't look like it folded. It had a small rack in the back. It was sort of like a Tern HSD that wasn't as long, and didn't look as 'modern'. It almost looked like a mid-drive Velo Orange Neutrino with a rack on the back. Tern Vektron?  Though it does fold. Riese and Mueller Tinker? 
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kimbo305 posted:Riese and Mueller Tinker? Oh wow, yeah i'm pretty-sure that was it. Thank you! While trying to find that I discovered that Bikes Direct sells e-bikes now. Some of them with pretty nice mid-drive systems. Anyone heard anything good/bad?  http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/e-bikes-electric-bicycles/ebikes-electric-folding-bikes-ef3.htm I feel like buying anything that folds from a no-name brand is just asking for eventual pain, but these are priced seemingly pretty well!
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So i've been reading and watching a lot of e-bike reviews, and based on comments it seems like theres at least two main e-bike user groups: 1.) People who want a bike that helps them a little in terms of effort, usually for running errands/getting groceries, etc. 2.) People who want an e-moped and don't really want to pedal at all (i've seen comments about putting motorcycle tires on e-bikes). There also seems to be a big divide in terms of pricing. Not even necessarily Rad Power vs. the more expensive mid-drive models, but non-name chinese stuff vs anything else. It's really interesting. I found this comment on a Tern HSD review: quote:With all the really nice e-bikes on the market now, and even some of the DIY kits, who's paying $3,500 for that bike. I could see it may be appealing to the retired well-to-do senior citizen crowd. If you gave that bike to me or anybody that I know for free, it would just sit and collect dust. There's just nothing appealing about this bike at all. You would be better off putting a $250 Hub motor kit on a huffy Cranbrook, and do something else with the remaining $3,000 that are in your pocket I get that there's huge price disparities, but I don't think anyone would turn their nose up at a free Tern! I guess what i'm getting at is that the e-bike market is pretty varied, which is actually a good thing! Lots of different use cases out there, certainly different than the regular cycling market. Duck and Cover posted:
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And then there is the U.K. where it’s pedal assist and limited to 15mph. Our bikes tend to have much smaller batteries and motors as default but that the default entry level tends to be a lot cheaper than in America and has better components (but clearly not as fast). Only now is 80 miles range a reasonable ask for a £1000 bike. Of course we have the higher end bikes but those tend to be ridden on gravel by old people who bought ebikes with the money they would have spend on a cruise in 2020, which is awesome because suddenly we got a lot of old people annoyed that the cycle infrastructure that will get them from their house to the cycleways is bad. It’s so bad that I moved house so that I could immediately cut through to the old abandoned railway lines and never have to go on a road.
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frogbs posted:I get that there's huge price disparities, but I don't think anyone would turn their nose up at a free Tern! frogbs posted:I guess what i'm getting at is that the e-bike market is pretty varied, which is actually a good thing! Lots of different use cases out there, certainly different than the regular cycling market. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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People got to look at the bike and the electrical stuff that makes it an ebike as completely separate things. You wouldn’t accept tourney on a £1500 regular bike so don’t accept it on a ebike, because at that price point you can start looking at high end regular bikes or mid range bikes and ebike conversion.
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evil_bunnY posted:that person has never ridden a good pedelec and it shows. modern mid drives are pretty much seamless, and half the point of the HSD/GSDs is that it's a complete system you can tailor to your needs. The other half is the drivetrain and components aren't just disposable. A huffy with a pedal sensing 500w chinesium motor is essentially a disposable moped. The other thing that bugs me about the e-bike market is that for some reason people seem to want to put 3+ inch tires on everything. You don't need super wide tires in most cases, especially if you're going to be doing some of the pedaling. I think you could pretty reliably split the ebike market by tire size, anyone who's looking (or think they need) really wide tires is mostly looking for a moped. learnincurve posted:People got to look at the bike and the electrical stuff that makes it an ebike as completely separate things. You wouldn’t accept tourney on a £1500 regular bike so don’t accept it on a ebike, because at that price point you can start looking at high end regular bikes or mid range bikes and ebike conversion. Not to defend Tourney, but I had a Tourney rear derailleur on an old Stumpjumper and it was actually surprising good and lasted years (until I sold the bike at least)! I do think that part of the draw of the $1500+ bike/ebike is that you're hopefully getting some level of manufacturer support. If you're doing a conversion yourself you're basically on your own.
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frogbs posted:So i've been reading and watching a lot of e-bike reviews, and based on comments it seems like theres at least two main e-bike user groups: Duck and Cover posted:
I have tried it since then and it's nice however on like 3-5 assist level it has a whistling noise which is kind of annoying. The mid motor feels smoother then the hub on my previous bike (ride1up lmt'd). At 2630 (Costco discount) I'd say it's worth it but I'm not sure about 3300. Just my initial opinions as I didn't go very far.
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Cugel the Clever posted:However, I'm trying to get to bed and am now suffering what I've noticed after my other rides: a persistent phantom sensation of being propelled forward. It's not sickening or anything, just highly distracting. The only comparable experience I've had is getting off a boat only to find the sensation of being rocked by waves sticking with me for hours and hours. Did you ever play Guitar Hero / Rock Band? I played for a while and then everything moved forward if I stood up if I hadn't gotten up in a while. It didn't last long though. I've read the last 2 pages and the first page, sorry for some newbie questions, I'll go into lurk mode probably for a while. The big disadvantage of a step through bike is weight, right? And I see discussion of Rad Power Bikes here on this page, how are they able to be so much cheaper than other brands but they say Panasonic or Samsung cells? Just everything else cheaper components + volume? They're pretty popular around here.
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Charles posted:The big disadvantage of a step through bike is weight, right? I don't think step throughs weigh significantly more than any other frame design. This would be especially negligible when you have a motor!
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Charles posted:And I see discussion of Rad Power Bikes here on this page, how are they able to be so much cheaper than other brands but they say Panasonic or Samsung cells? I'd put rad power bikes at the more reputable end of the cheap bikes, but still on a completely different level from a seamless torque sensing setup.
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CopperHound posted:I don't have the energy to effort post, but if you had the chance to test ride the difference will become more clear. No worries, I can lurk a bit and go back a few more pages and try and read up.
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Charles posted:Did you ever play Guitar Hero / Rock Band? I played for a while and then everything moved forward if I stood up if I hadn't gotten up in a while. It didn't last long though. Charles posted:The big disadvantage of a step through bike is weight, right? Charles posted:And I see discussion of Rad Power Bikes here on this page, how are they able to be so much cheaper than other brands but they say Panasonic or Samsung cells? Just everything else cheaper components + volume? They're pretty popular around here. Definitely worth getting a feel for a few with test rides. Both Rad Power and VanMoof have showrooms for test rides and your local bike shop most likely does too (assuming the supply chain issues of the spring have lessened).
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frogbs posted:I don't think step throughs weigh significantly more than any other frame design. This would be especially negligible when you have a motor! I have step through and MTB ebikes that both weigh over 25kg ama. The big difference imo is where the weight of the battery is , with the Dutch bike it’s under the rack at the back, the MTB is in the middle. Personally I find being able to step through with the battery + whatever heavy stuff I’m hauling on the back invaluable because of how quickly it could go sideways - the MTB does not have that same issue. The Dutch is also an absolute ballache if you need to push it up kerbing or steps into the house (only the seat and rack to grab hold of) .
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Charles posted:And I see discussion of Rad Power Bikes here on this page, how are they able to be so much cheaper than other brands but they say Panasonic or Samsung cells? Just everything else cheaper components + volume? They're pretty popular around here. They're the mattress-in-the-box equivalent of ebikes and do have some QA issues like the kickstand someone brought up earlier. That being said, they're decent for its price range and are popular enough that your LBS shouldn't have issues doing maintenance on them.
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A lot of the cheaper ebikes use the same hub motor model, or the same design, which has a freewheel and means you're limited to 7-speed freewheels at best. That is to say, going to a modern 9, 10, or 11 speeds is simply not viable, even if you end up finding 7 speeds too much of a spread. Having the electric power fill in some helps a lot ime, but it's certainly one of the very noticeable areas of cheaping out.
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