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I want to read the thesis before I actually write a rebuttal (he would probably dm it to me if I asked for, poo poo), but like, conceptually it's not a bad idea so much as it missed the point of using licensed tracks. (showcasing cultural cachet/giving the viewer a way to connect with the wrestler in a way that non-licensed music just cannot) Like, there is a reason that walk-up music in other major sports is licensed tracks, and I want to see if that runs counter to the argument.
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If you mix a song into a wrestling theme it's totally fine, CHIKARA had some great entrance themes back in the day and Nic Gage coming out to Metallica rules
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karmicknight posted:I want to read the thesis before I actually write a rebuttal (he would probably dm it to me if I asked for, poo poo), but like, conceptually it's not a bad idea so much as it missed the point of using licensed tracks. (showcasing cultural cachet/giving the viewer a way to connect with the wrestler in a way that non-licensed music just cannot) Like, there is a reason that walk-up music in other major sports is licensed tracks, and I want to see if that runs counter to the argument. Yeah but I think that agrees with his point, that overall custom music is better. Everyone would suffer with licensed music. You need a majority custom to make the licensed pop. But he also seems to miss that because he's arguing like there should be no licensed music. He just wanted to tell Bix about his thesis didn't he?
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Pretty much every indie has used unlicensed music for the whole roster and it's been fine, and in many cases better. Sandman and New Jack in ECW, for example.
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I mean it loving worked because I want to read this loving thesis.
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sticklefifer posted:Pretty much every indie has used unlicensed music for the whole roster and it's been fine, and in many cases better. Sandman and New Jack in ECW, for example. But is it optimal? This is why we need smart men in big towers
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sticklefifer posted:Pretty much every indie has used unlicensed music for the whole roster and it's been fine, and in many cases better. Sandman and New Jack in ECW, for example. That's not what the argument is about, it's between custom music or production music vs. "licensed music" as in, music that would require a license to avoid a lawsuit. wild west poo poo isn't really a part of it, but again, in your examples it does make it better to use the licensed tracks.
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karmicknight posted:I mean it loving worked because I want to read this loving thesis. if you do get the thesis i would also want to read it
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karmicknight posted:That's not what the argument is about, it's between custom music or production music vs. "licensed music" as in, music that would require a license to avoid a lawsuit. What I'm getting at is that if ECW or other indies were mainstream enough or had the musical budgets to license all of what they actually used, I think most fans would prefer they kept it instead of finding a music production guy. With the latter, you tend to still get stuff like WCW soundalike themes, like Raven's Come As You Are, DDP's Smells Like Teen Spirit, and Jericho's Evenflow knockoffs. Even with the licensed music, AEW still does it to a degree, like Varsity Blondes with their Totally Not Welcome to the Jungle theme, and Matt Hardy's What if Korn Covered the WWE Hardys Theme.
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Jul 19, 2021 01:00
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i think the dynamite theme is a POD - boom ripoff dont @ me
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a lot of real music happens to have all the necessary "Dissertation Hit Points Of A Dumb Boy" that a wrestling theme could ever want, because there are millions of hours of it
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Had to dig deeper on this. https://twitter.com/marcgallagher96/status/1416910477138042884
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i was expecting too much of that guy, that he was talking about emphatic moments or themes inside of a piece of music that make it better for an entrance. but he outed himself as talking about cheapness and character and that's just whiny nerd stuff
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oh gently caress, this does go deeper. Cavauro posted:a lot of real music happens to have all the necessary "Dissertation Hit Points Of A Dumb Boy" that a wrestling theme could ever want, because there are millions of hours of it 
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This is the problem with liberal arts.
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MassRafTer posted:Had to dig deeper on this. Uh, I don't know about this guy, but if Sandman was anywhere near my house I'd sleep with one eye open. Not trying to get Singapore caned in my own bed.
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how can he be right when the greatest wrestling entrance song is licensed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53yj4hU56NA
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But Kaze Ni Nare is custom
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Smoking Crow posted:how can he be right when the greatest wrestling entrance song is licensed Goddamn I miss Magnum. 
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Smoking Crow posted:how can he be right when the greatest wrestling entrance song is licensed This is a lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2nTJ_68xjw
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its not confidence its all ego
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0QT_teLcNk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zhi0gSWnX8 tough call
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https://mobile.twitter.com/marcgallagher96/status/1416911918078513153 I think they've confused "licensed songs are bad" with "Unkle Kracker is bad"
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I know you hate X-Factor, but you don't gotta look at me like that.
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i've read the thesis. it was a list of songs that are good and a list of songs that are bad
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MRT I don't know how you have the mental stamina to battle these dipshits every day but I salute you for doing so
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In a roundabout way this discussion also brings up a point about licensed songs that are better as wrestling themes than as their original purpose as generic radio singles. Like I recognize that Metalingus is an awesome wrestling entrance theme for Edge, but I don't think I'd ever listen to Alter Bridge on purpose.
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CM Punk's best theme wasn't original, it of course being "Miseria Cantare" by AFI.
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Lid posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/marcgallagher96/status/1416689215509762050 It's a bit weird coz I think it matters massively what the music is. If it's just WCW style knock-offs of popular music then clearly the original licensed song would be better. If it's Dragon Gate tunes where care is put into the themes, sure. But not many wrestling companies have their own record label. Dude also seems to undersell that a licensed theme song can also be thematically perfect and get the recognition pop. Enter Sandman might not fight The Sandman lyrically but musically it's perfect. TBH ECW were kind of masters of those stuff from Shane Douglas's Perfect Strangers to New Jack with Natural Born Killaz. Honestly, keep all your in-house stuff when you give me Perfect Strangers or Danielson using Final Countdown. Neither are songs I've any desire to listen to in my day-to-day music listening but they are perfect wrestling themes. On the other hand, The Sandman using Billy Joel's Big Shot (iirc during his feud with Tommy Cairo, when he first started being seconded by Woman) didn't fit at all. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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every single licensed theme is better than every single original theme and even the good original themes you're thinking of right now would be improved by being replaced by a licensed theme
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Alaois posted:every single licensed theme is better than every single original theme and even the good original themes you're thinking of right now would be improved by being replaced by a licensed theme wcw four horsemen theme makes this an absurd statement
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Eat My Fuc posted:wcw four horsemen theme makes this an absurd statement there's like at least 5 different carlos santana songs alone that you could replace that theme with and it would be better
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Alaois posted:every single licensed theme is better than every single original theme and even the good original themes you're thinking of right now would be improved by being replaced by a licensed theme Counterpoint: Gangrel's theme
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Davros1 posted:Counterpoint: Gangrel's theme Counter counterpoint: What if he came out to Bela Lugosi is Dead by Bauhaus instead?
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Vince MechMahon posted:Counter counterpoint: What if he came out to Bela Lugosi is Dead by Bauhaus instead? You spelled Monster Mash wrong
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Alaois posted:there's like at least 5 different carlos santana songs alone that you could replace that theme with and it would be better 4 horseman solo is way better than any Santana solo
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Every theme would be by Stuck Mojo in my world.
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Suplex Liberace posted:4 horseman solo is way better than any Santana solo big time
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RealFoxy posted:If you mix a song into a wrestling theme it's totally fine, CHIKARA had some great entrance themes back in the day and Nic Gage coming out to Metallica rules I was always a fan of that (if we're being honest amateur) mix of War Machine Taz started using after he stopped using the song itself. That said, and to focus on ECW itself, so many of the wrestlers just aren't who they are without Enter Sandman, Walk, Man in the Box, even Mikey and Loser.
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https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22/status/1416754316862496776 So, Thunder Rosa's new entrance gear is totally loving awesome, but...  Literally anything but the actual Aztec folklore it's based on, huh guys? 
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