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I had a similar feeling of 'oh God I'm poo poo I'm not good at my job I'm terrible' thing for a while, to the point where it took me a long time to realize that, five years in, I was really good at my job. There are people better than me, don't get me wrong, but in an industry where 95% of every hiring wave quits in within three months? Good. And managers have a vested interest in keeping their employees from realizing the value of their labor. It works well for them to push you, especially if they know it's effective. But even if it's just that you're new and slow, some managers are just miserable worked-to-death assholes that hate their jobs and hate you because of it. With a certain level of experience both at a profession and in a given store, you'll acquire the knowledge of 'how good am I'. There's nothing more satisfying to a burnt-out retail vet than being able to push against a manager and seeing there is no 'or else', because you've got more value than they got leverage. Note: this doesn't help you if the manager is stupid or vengeful enough to set themselves on fire in a suicidal display of spite A fair number of retail managers are the living embodiment of the me reaping/me sowing tweet with the approximate memory of a goldfish with CTE, repeating the cycle over and over again until they finally fire themselves from life NerdyMcNerdNerd fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jul 18, 2021 |
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quote:Also, why is it like this? If I was a manager, I would respect my disciplined staff and tell my undisciplined staff to gently caress off, right? It seems like an absolutely loving terrible way to run a business. I'm changing jobs after years at my last place and my boss texted me almost exactly two weeks after I left to ask if I was interested in coming back. Part of why I left is because of how angry it made me that my coworkers were lazy jackasses who struggled to go an entire week without calling in "sick." Sickness that only occurred exactly once every 1-2 weeks on days that I worked leading to double shifts, five times in a row. I replied politely back since I gave two weeks notice and got on well with my boss and all that I'd keep it in mind but I wasn't interested. The relief I felt to have dodged two more weeks of pure anger was very nice. What I'm trying to say is that if you show up every day on time and call out for actual reasons you are already hitting above average. In a lot of places they take the guys who come in 30 minutes late everyday and call out because "gotta party on the weekend" and conspicuously vanish frequently when they see other, harder workers clock in and they call these guys "the standards." And my former boss isn't an idiot or full of hubris. He just works in a high turnover field, has X amount of shifts to try to fill and can't throw 2 half-slackers out while he waits for 2 ideals to apply. quote:What will happen if I apply myself? Why? What do I do if they bring me into the office and say: Oolb you are a failure? As per above most places don't have time or motivation to tear into grunt workers because they're not hitting the misery to efficiency quota. They'd rather dedicate time and energy to busting internal theft or true screw ups. If you're in a retail position and your boss calls you in to dress you down there are a few ways to handle it: 1) Ask for training/help, undertraining is definitely a thing that happens too often. 2) Are you in a position where you're actually expected to grow into the job? Like are you being prepped to take over as manager of a department? If not don't let it get to you. Be polite, sure, but you don't owe them the world. And be really careful of being promised it, especially without anything concrete or in writing. "Keep at this and really give it your all and in a year you could be X." Hmmm yes a long consistent period of over-applying myself for something I can't hold anyone to on their end. The American Dream. quote:I got assigned a task today which took up the whole shift. It was very tedious, the same exact motion for hours, but I was very focused the whole time and efficient. I wasn't at a sprinting pace, but jogging. Yet I STILL didn't get it done in time! And more, I missed a key point of what my manager asked me to do! I was tired, but I think his communication was lacking and the ask was unreasonable, maybe. Something I learned long, long ago is that if somebody tells you that X is really important then they won't assign it and gently caress off if there's a chance X won't happen without Y hands on deck. They'll jump in to fill a hole if it truly matters.
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Oolb posted:I feel like I respect management too much, when in my estimation they're almost universally a bunch of half-wit narcissistic incompetent often sadistic fuckwits who weren't smart or advantaged enough to land anything better. In offering myself up to them like a solider does to a general I open myself up to abuse, but I don't know how to balance keeping my job with a gently caress you kind of energy. Never respect management more than they respect you. Are they going to reward you for working extra hard? No? Then gently caress them. Are they gonna give you the resources to get things done on time, and well? No? Then gently caress them. Loyalty to most workplaces is a loving sham. The number of places that actually reward devotion, time and energy in equal measure to how it's offered(or, frankly, at all) can be counted on a blind carpenter's hand. You've done right by starting out in high gear to give a good first impression, now gear down and, frankly, work only as much as is necessary for your self-respect and to not get fired. I.e. be nice to nice customers, don't be enough of an rear end in a top hat to get any customer complaints or leave any holes or mistakes that can be traced back to you. They're paying you for your hours, not for any specific results, treat it that way. Advanced Shamurai tactics: Help your coworkers. Work done by coworkers has several advantages compared to your own tasks. #1: You're clearly working, so no one will assign you anything new. #2: You're helping a colleague! You're a good colleague! Coworker will be thankful, manager will go "dang what a cool team player." #3: The task is your coworker's responsibility, not yours. You can work both slowly and inefficiently, as long as your help isn't literally worse than going away, they'll be thankful for the help, and the end result is in no way your problem, just follow coworker's instructions. Also, if anyone ever offers to "promote" you to a salaried position, laugh at them until they go away. Salaried positions are always scams, and you can tell how loving stupid managers are by the fact that they're almost always salaried.
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I had a good manager a while back who had the philosophy that it's unreasonable to expect everyone to always give 100% effort, and as long as we consistently gave him 80% he wouldn't bitch about poo poo maybe not getting done.
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So something my retail adjacent job is doing to keep employees. We're getting a dollar an hour pay bump for the next nine weeks and then they're taking the total hours we worked over that time and giving us a .50 cent an hour lump sum payout in addition to that. That's they're way of saying we've had people quitting in droves and it's the worst time of year for y'all please stay pretty please. When we're all working 50-60 (in my case almost 70) hour weeks this is gonna be pretty nice. What sucks is the salaried managers are getting something too....a 500 dollar extra bonus in December. The managers are a bit insulted because they're doing these crazy hours with us but getting paid for 45. They definitely are desperate to stem the bleeding because managers are saying duck this and quitting too. Wonder what the response is gonna be when this ends though. People are more upset we still have to wear masks in the hottest months of the year. It's all surreal because for the first time ever some shops had to have their hours changed due to lack of staffing. It's all crazy.
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SlaveToTheGrinds posted:So something my retail adjacent job is doing to keep employees. We're getting a dollar an hour pay bump for the next nine weeks and then they're taking the total hours we worked over that time and giving us a .50 cent an hour lump sum payout in addition to that. That's they're way of saying we've had people quitting in droves and it's the worst time of year for y'all please stay pretty please. When we're all working 50-60 (in my case almost 70) hour weeks this is gonna be pretty nice. What sucks is the salaried managers are getting something too....a 500 dollar extra bonus in December. The managers are a bit insulted because they're doing these crazy hours with us but getting paid for 45. They definitely are desperate to stem the bleeding because managers are saying duck this and quitting too. Wonder what the response is gonna be when this ends though. See purple's post for your salaried managers: PurpleXVI posted:Also, if anyone ever offers to "promote" you to a salaried position, laugh at them until they go away. Salaried positions are always scams, and you can tell how loving stupid managers are by the fact that they're almost always salaried. Salaried is a joke. You still pay overtime but no longer get paid for it. If you're salaried and are at all in a position where you're in the store more than you're not: you're getting screwed. Honestly a regional level manager might be the point where I feel Salary payment is worth it.
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They offered me my own store last week due to the manager of that store quitting. My response was hell no I'm not taking that dumpster fire. My manager wasn't happy at how unprofessional I was and our area manager was hurt and insulted. But I told them my terms for moving up. Which was a dual manager store. I've been on crazy hours for almost a year and I'm not in the head space to take on that bullshit along with what would probably be a pay cut with the current incentive thing. The person that took it thanked me for turning it down because he was very enthusiastic about moving up. Godspeed dumbass.
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Store Managers actually make a living wage, so they have that going for them. That's the end of the good news. The truth is that a SM is even more of a helpless slave with zero autonomy than a common retail serf is. And their comp structure usually is specifically designed to punish them for treating the people who work for them with any basic human dignity whatsoever. It's a horrible job that is staffed 90%-plus with petty tyrants and fervent kool-aid drinkers.
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goon Oolb, having worked in a management position lemme tell you somesing: you're at work to do a job, so just do that job. work your hours then go home. don't offer to work overtime unless you need the money, and if you do work overtime make it abundantly clear that you're getting something out of it. "stay an hour? as long as i get paid." simplify your tasks, cut corners where you can. don't make excuses, just say "okay boss" and do what they want. this isn't to show obedience and win hearts, this is because you need to give them less interaction so that they give you less interaction. it's to get them to gently caress off and not pick on you. their goal in treating you like an rear end in a top hat is to unload stress from themselves, so don't share their burden. if they can't handle the rigors of leading a store, then maybe the job isn't for them and they should quit.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Store Managers actually make a living wage, so they have that going for them. That's the end of the good news. It's to the point that to be a successful manager one has to actively enjoy picking on the people below them as a perk. At Amazon (at least my facility) a T1 worker picking up an an average of 8-10 hours of overtime throughout the year will actually make more than an L4 manager's salary. Most don't do that but I know a few that do. It gets even easier to make more if you promote from T1 to T3 (T2 are customer service) because you're not only making more: there's so many meetings and such you go to, and electronic paperwork to clear, that you easily pick up an extra hour each shift without picking up any extra shifts. Getting the promotion from T3 to L4 is a downgrade in pay (but if you have half a brain and are willing to move it does put you on the Amazon Promotion Train)
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My work has turned down the AC and some days are just miserable for me. I’m very sensitive to heat so this means I spend part of my shifts sick in the bathroom. All my manager said was “well you’re hot because you’re working.” Sure.
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Oolb posted:Won't I get fired? I really need this job. You are aware there is a "labor"* shortage right now, yes? *pay
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honestly where I work even before the “labor” shortage the only way you’d ever get fired is to just stop showing up or to like gently caress up with register stuff enough for it to be out of our hands, and we have super specific metrics that we’re supposed to fire people for not meeting.
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Alkydere posted:Salaried is a joke. You still pay overtime but no longer get paid for it. If you're salaried and are at all in a position where you're in the store more than you're not: you're getting screwed. Honestly a regional level manager might be the point where I feel Salary payment is worth it. Here they love to "promote" people to pseudo-manager salaried positions just to make them feel like "WOW THE COMPANY CARES THEY'RE PROMOTING ME I AM ON THE RISE!" and trigger the little ambition neurons in their goopy brainmeats, but in practice all of them are stressed, overworked, starting to snap at people and beginning to come apart at the seams because it's the solution to department understaffing: Overwork a salaried person who has less protections, doesn't need to be paid more AND is usually too ambitious to complain to the union/workplace safety etc. about being scheduled for 50+ hours every week. I always warn them that they're about to get hosed, but none of them ever listen, and one of them's already had his first stress breakdown. Salaried positions should just be loving illegal, full stop. There's no situation where they're justified or make sense.
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Funktastic posted:honestly where I work even before the “labor” shortage the only way you’d ever get fired is to just stop showing up or to like gently caress up with register stuff enough for it to be out of our hands, and we have super specific metrics that we’re supposed to fire people for not meeting. Or loving with the employee discount! (Except for one particular cashier who's a complete rear end in a top hat to the one decent manager left.)
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dovetaile posted:Or loving with the employee discount! (Except for one particular cashier who's a complete rear end in a top hat to the one decent manager left.) Oh yeah we just had someone get fired because she gave someone a 70% discount on their whole transaction plus a bunch of random 10% ones.
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PurpleXVI posted:Salaried positions should just be loving illegal, full stop. There's no situation where they're justified or make sense. If a job makes you track the time you're at work then that job should be neither salaried nor FLSA exempt.
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PurpleXVI posted:Here they love to "promote" people to pseudo-manager salaried positions just to make them feel like "WOW THE COMPANY CARES THEY'RE PROMOTING ME I AM ON THE RISE!" and trigger the little ambition neurons in their goopy brainmeats, but in practice all of them are stressed, overworked, starting to snap at people and beginning to come apart at the seams because it's the solution to department understaffing: As a wise man once put it, "Sometimes life leaves a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later it's because it hosed you."
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Midjack posted:If a job makes you track the time you're at work then that job should be neither salaried nor FLSA exempt. Caveat: I'm in the IT field, and while I'm salary exempt, I still have to track my time for either chargeback/billing purposes or time tracking of projects to help estimate future needs, stuff like that. It's annoying as hell, and it would be great to stop, but it's unfortunately necessary and valid, and I'm sure there are other reasons where it might be valid. I dunno how many apply to retail though.
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shortspecialbus posted:Caveat: I'm in the IT field, and while I'm salary exempt, I still have to track my time for either chargeback/billing purposes or time tracking of projects to help estimate future needs, stuff like that. None of that refutes my assertion.
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This week not only did get another day cut yet again, but I have been given three loving opening shifts. Oh and the manager sent the second manager now to get on my rear end yet again about closing. So at the end of my shift I shook my coworker's hand and told him its been real, this is my last day. I'll let management know about it on Tuesday.
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Leal posted:This week not only did get another day cut yet again, but I have been given three loving opening shifts. Oh and the manager sent the second manager now to get on my rear end yet again about closing. whoa mama good for you. i hope they're happy with themselves. what's your next gig?
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Mill Village posted:My work has turned down the AC and some days are just miserable for me. I’m very sensitive to heat so this means I spend part of my shifts sick in the bathroom. All my manager said was “well you’re hot because you’re working.” Sure. It's genuinely frustrating when this happens because my company is always like, "yeah AC's broken we'll get contractors out to work on it" but it's always been that way since like 2017 when I started. Did my orientation day in sweltering heat on an incredibly mild day and wondered what the gently caress is going on. Turns out it's just always that hot.
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Rainbow Knight posted:whoa mama After getting my money out of my brokerage and my final check + vacation time payout should get me enough money for a year of expenses, I'm gonna work out and work on my eating to nab a job at one of the tomato factories in town when they do seasonal work. It'll be 4 or 5 months of hell work but then I'd get a year's worth of income here doing that and get unemployment for the rest of the year. I'm also having my brother and his gf keep an eye out for any workshop openings at the truck stops they work out. I'm not loving dealing with food again.
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I'm glad you got out and I hope the future is brighter for you!
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Leal posted:
Congrats! Good plan to take some 'you' time and not have to deal with moron bullshit for a while.
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Leal posted:After getting my money out of my brokerage and my final check + vacation time payout should get me enough money for a year of expenses, I'm gonna work out and work on my eating to nab a job at one of the tomato factories in town when they do seasonal work. It'll be 4 or 5 months of hell work but then I'd get a year's worth of income here doing that and get unemployment for the rest of the year. I'm also having my brother and his gf keep an eye out for any workshop openings at the truck stops they work out. I'm not loving dealing with food again. Glad you’re our, mental health is the #1 priority so good for you there. Just be careful with retirement money, they usually charge a 10% fee on top of taxes for early withdrawal. Again, if you need it you need it, but if you can avoid cashing it all out at once not a bad thought.
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Leal posted:So at the end of my shift I shook my coworker's hand and told him its been real, this is my last day. I'll let management know about it on Tuesday. Best way to quit retail. Expect calls begging you to come back of course.
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ErKeL posted:This poo poo is absolutely cooked if you're working fill/replenishment in a hot store with a mask on. Had a team member feint on me last year right at the start of the day and everyone panicked. Comparing notes from these and other posts in this thread should be sufficent to clue us in that not paying for air conditioning is in fact a part of the profit model in that sector of the industry.
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Leal posted:This week not only did get another day cut yet again, but I have been given three loving opening shifts. Oh and the manager sent the second manager now to get on my rear end yet again about closing. As a long time lurker this makes my heart swell, congratulations.
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welp here's a greatest hits post so you never forget the fun you had. things started so well (first loving post haha) Leal posted:And coworkers... Well don't get me wrong I love my coworkers, but t BUT DIDN'T LAST Leal posted:Just loving push taco day back a day and eat something else tonight, gently caress beginning Leal posted:Was tasked with checking under basedecks to find any product that was thrown under them and found this end Leal posted:I bought it Leal Acquaints Himself With The Good Folk Leal posted:People who want to come in at 3 am and bitch that the department isn't up to par: Leal posted:Every day I'm astounded by the dumb questions I'm asked but last night had to have the worst question asked: How do I pick out corn? Leal posted:A combined China and Russia invasion of the US can happen tomorrow and you'll still have Karen walking her kids through crossfire to demand they use the bathroom. Leal posted:A few days ago a customer bitched to me and a few other coworkers, saying that there is like 20 people standing around and not one of us will help her. Leal posted:While signing the vendor log I overheard some employees talking about a woman who brought in a receipt and a box of shoes... into a best buy. the warehouse totally did not let you down you worked in a literal disaster area, apparently Leal posted:Man don't I miss working mornings Leal posted:
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Rainbow Knight posted:welp here's a greatest hits post so you never forget the fun you had. This is a great tribute post, both well deserved for Leal and nice work on the post.
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I'm working all seven days this week. We have two clerks at my post office on vacation at a time until Labor Day. A third clerk is on indefinite sick leave because of an injury he got while playing basketball and requires surgery. I had a surprise day off given to me last Thursday because I going to get worked too many days in a row than I'm allowed to be. This Thursday I begin sales and services associate training for seven days. I get Saturday and Sunday off, making it my first Sunday off since I started working at my new post office in Pittsburgh. I'm not getting another Sunday off again unless I convert from a PSE (postal support employee) to PTF (part-time flexible) at an office that doesn't do Amazon Sundays or I quit. Postal work weeks run Saturday to Friday. Sunday I had to remain at the office for so long that I rolled into overtime (we get overtime for any time worked over eight hours in one tour) and got a few minutes of penalty overtime (I get paid double and it starts at any time worked over ten hours in one tour or fifty-six hours in one work week). My training days are each eight-hour days. I'm probably getting fifteen hours of overtime this week and I'm just so fuckin exhausted.
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Also, I've thought about writing up an effort post on how to get a job in the United States Postal Service and what the different crafts are for anyone curious about it. Maybe tomorrow evening. Just imagine what working for the United States government, but with all the drama of any retail location, and you only kinda sorta are a federal employee.
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Duckman2008 posted:This is a great tribute post, both well deserved for Leal and nice work on the post.  i try to do it with everyone who's getting out of retail, but i don't always catch when people get new jobs/quit. it's a great way to remind someone of that one time a customer gave them advice on how best to masturbate or assassinate someone or whatever
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Star Man posted:Also, I've thought about writing up an effort post on how to get a job in the United States Postal Service and what the different crafts are for anyone curious about it. Maybe tomorrow evening. i have this sneaking suspicion that grocery stores are closer to death than people are leading on, so it would be nice to have an idea about options that are out there.
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Rainbow Knight posted:i have this sneaking suspicion that grocery stores are closer to death than people are leading on, so it would be nice to have an idea about options that are out there. I will never hesitate to say that I absolutely hate my fuckin job and am tired all the time because of it. I want to quit this mother fucker every day because of how exhausting it is and the instability of being non-career. I applied only because I needed a job, because my long-term substitute teaching job at Job Corps was ending. The pandemic, the particularites of my personal situation in life, and the eccentricities of my office gave me the opportuniy to pay off everything I owed that isn't student debt in eight months because of all the overtime I worked. It also provided me an opportunity to finally leave Wyoming with a job effectively guaranteed for me to wherever wanted to go once I had enough money saved up to move. Now that I'm in Pittsburgh, I'm finally in a place that other jobs in public service exist and in a high enough quantity that I can apply for them regularly. I'm trying to get a full-time job in either federal government or in higher ed so I can start working towards public service loan forgiveness. I also have no qualms with being a postal worker for the rest of my working life. Reaching full-time status is just a matter of waiting long enough for an opening to become available either at my assigned office through promotion or transferring into one once I'm a PTF. Turnover is high and in a densely populated area it's not hard to convert from non-career to part-time flexible and become career-tract. Being a postal worker beats the ever living poo poo out of every retail job I've ever had just in wages alone and the postal unions (there's four of them) make it impossible to fire employees without cause. If I get overtime, I'm paid it without question. I'm not made to cross crafts or do work that I was not hired for. It gets less worse once you move up, but which office you're at and what you do determine a lot of that. But I'd rather have a pencil pusher job at some government agency.
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