|
Shammypants posted:Weird question but what is stopping any manufacturer who has made a more condensed version of their game for switch from offering on Steam a condensed version for the Deck? So like Doom or Outer Worlds or any other game, why not take the Doom from Switch and modify it a bit and release it for Deck? Is this an insane amount of work to change a switch game to a Deck game? Is it easier to just start from scratch or just ask people to download the full game and lower specs than do a Deck edition? The incentive would have to be there for a publisher to make a Deck version just like there has to be one for a Switch version. Also, a question has to be asked, can and would the developer make a Deck version. Switch versions of games sometimes are farmed out to a specific porting developer. Panic Button, iirc, is one of the better ones. They made the Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal and Warframe ports, to name a few. That's one example. For another, Sythetik, was ported from Steam to the Switch by the original developer. All this is to say that there are considerations before wanting to make a different version of a game to "fit" onto a new system. Senator Drinksalot posted:Glancing at ebay, it looks like the 3ds costs more than a switch lite MarcusSA posted:lol 2021 sucks! It's considered retro now so of course a used 3DS is  lol
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 04:07
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 21:06 |
|
|
Wamdoodle posted:The incentive would have to be there for a publisher to make a Deck version just like there has to be one for a Switch version. Also, a question has to be asked, can and would the developer make a Deck version. Switch versions of games sometimes are farmed out to a specific porting developer. Panic Button, iirc, is one of the better ones. They made the Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal and Warframe ports, to name a few. That's one example. For another, Sythetik, was ported from Steam to the Switch by the original developer. All this is to say that there are considerations before wanting to make a different version of a game to "fit" onto a new system. The idea that developers will spend time making a special "deck version" of their PC games assumes that there will only be one spec to target for. Seems like a pretty rash assumption. If this device is successful, I expect there to be a variety of different specs on the market in just a few years' time (either from valve or third parties), meaning there won't be any one version to target. And if it's not successful, then nobody's going to bother doing special targeted builds/configurations. I know people can't help but compare this to a switch, but it's still a PC in a constantly evolving landscape. You shouldn't expect this to be just a single spec that sticks around for years like a console. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Jul 19, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 04:12
|
|
|
There's no way Valve will let there be Deck versions of games, it completely undermines the whole principal of the thing being something portable you can get the "full" PC gaming experience on.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 04:17
|
|
|
Game companies are already working on ways to make their games super scalable (take a look at what UE5 is doing) so it’s kinda a moot point.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 04:20
|
|
|
Rudager posted:There's no way Valve will let there be Deck versions of games, it completely undermines the whole principal of the thing being something portable you can get the "full" PC gaming experience on. That's true, maybe it's just a matter of removing high end graphics like was discussed earlier to keep file size down and otherwise remove parts that no one would install.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 04:22
|
|
|
Wamdoodle posted:It's considered retro now so of course a used 3DS is It's a shame we can't play most of the Metroid games on the Switch. Can't wait to emulate them on the Deck instead!
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 05:51
|
|
|
oversteps posted:Holy poo poo, I had no idea. I was casually thinking of getting a 2DS for Samus Returns and... yeah, whoa. I clearly missed the boat there. Nintendo over the past month has been putting out refurbished 2ds xls out for a reasonable price. Of course they are gone in minutes if you aren’t watching for them.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 05:54
|
|
|
oversteps posted:Holy poo poo, I had no idea. I was casually thinking of getting a 2DS for Samus Returns and... yeah, whoa. I clearly missed the boat there. 2DS Slates got for $50, 2DS XL's go for $99 straight from Nintendo's refurb store, thru their website and I believe they have an Ebay store. Basically brand new. BUT: MarcusSA posted:Of course they are gone in minutes if you aren’t watching for them. Is the kicker. Gamestop has refurbs but it's a crapshoot on the quality. Another goon recently got a really good one from there but I've also seen some absolute dreck that had no business being resold. Every last one is hackable, btw
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 06:36
|
|
|
I got one in for the biggest one on the first day. Really can't wait.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 07:30
|
|
|
does anyone know yet what the difference is between the storage speeds of the 256 NVMe SSD (PCIe Gen 3 x4)/512GB high speed NVMe SSD (PCIe Gen 3 x4) models?
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 10:27
|
|
|
I don't know about this. On one hand, it looks super loving cool. On the other, steam has kind of a shoddy track record with hardware. Steam controller was fairly meh imho, steam link was also fairly meh, and they ended up dumping stock for a buck each, and wasn't there a steam box that was a rebranded lovely computer? Software wise, still waiting for half life episode 3. I know this is a joke by now but steam and google seem to have a lot in common when it comes to customer service.... They both don't give a poo poo. Google kills products left and right, steam/valve just can't seem to finish a trilogy or have long term support for their IPs that don't involve some gimmick (Half Life Alyx anyone??) I'll give it a year or two or three and then I'll look into it when it's a more mature system.... Or maybe I'll pick one up for a buck when they move onto the next big thing.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 11:30
|
|
|
Alyx is one of the coolest games I've ever made, calling its use of VR a gimmick is extremely reductive imo
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 11:34
|
|
|
Yeah, Alyx was genuinely brilliant and wouldn't have been the same without VR. There are some good VR games out there with fun ideas/mechanics, but Alyx wove a ton of great ideas into something greater than the sum of its parts. It actually felt like the old Valve was back and hadn't missed a step.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 11:50
|
|
|
LordAdakos posted:I don't know about this. On one hand, it looks super loving cool. On the other, steam has kind of a shoddy track record with hardware. Where does this narrative come from? Steam Boxes were unambiguously a failure but Link (the hardware) was a success, up until the point where it became obsolete as smart TVs could just run it as an app. Not that they dropped support, the last Steam Link hardware update was a few months ago. Steam Controller spawned Steam Input and aspects of it's design were incorporated into the Deck, as a result its still actively supported by valve despite being out of production. Vive and Index are niche, but they also get continued software support. E: Steam Boxes weren't Valve hardware either, it was a thing third parties could participate in if they wanted (they didn't). That failed initiative did result in them putting a ton of effort into whipping Linux and Wine into shape which has resulted in this product. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Jul 19, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 12:04
|
|
|
Valve aren't a hardware manufacturer at heart, they're a platform holder who know that they need to support new features with a tangible product for them to get a foothold. They don't do version two of a product, but the software powering that hardware is continually developed and supported - Link is available on everything, even as a TV app, the Steam Controller became an all-encompassing controller configurator, and the Index is still one of the best headsets on the market that isn't going anywhere for a few years at the very least. Although that said, the Steam Deck *is* a version two, of the Steam Box and Steam Controller - the same software that powered them was never abandoned, and the latest versions are now being found in brand new and improved hardware. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jul 19, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 12:16
|
|
|
Speaking of developers adapting their Switch port work to the Deck https://twitter.com/shrugtal/status/1417055065366487045?s=19
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 12:35
|
|
|
I should mention that despite Steam Boxes being a failure, my prototype from Valve was my main gaming PC from 2013-2018 and literally the only upgrade I did was replacing the 500GB SSHD with my already owned 1TB SSD.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 13:55
|
|
|
Oh hey my second ever quote is not edit screwup
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 13:55
|
|
|
SCheeseman posted:Where does this narrative come from? Regardless if it's true or not, it's been echoed several times by different posters so it's out there
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 14:25
|
|
|
I'm not seeing the expected delivery date anymore on my reservation dealie, anyone else the same?
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 14:33
|
|
|
Mozi posted:I'm not seeing the expected delivery date anymore on my reservation dealie, anyone else the same? Nope. Sad to say but you probably lost the train to the Gabe Station.  
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 14:44
|
|
|
Mozi posted:I'm not seeing the expected delivery date anymore on my reservation dealie, anyone else the same? Did you get your order in pretty early on Friday? The consensus I've seen is that no date means you're probably in the first batch that should ship in December.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 14:55
|
|
|
Irrational as it may be, i've paid money to reserve a slot to pay more money later... wild world!
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:11
|
|
|
Mozi posted:I'm not seeing the expected delivery date anymore on my reservation dealie, anyone else the same? Mine is like that as well.  Wamdoodle posted:Regardless if it's true or not, it's been echoed several times by different posters so it's out there Yeah, it's a little weird. While the initiatives may have been a failure in terms of adoption rate, the hardware itself was nicely designed and built.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:11
|
|
|
In terms of running games on this, for people who can't be bothered to install windows etc and just want to use it out of the box, will they just be offering a kind of reduced set of 'deck compatible ' apps (ie all the Linux compatible ones?) via the deck version of Steam? Has anyone who's done this before got a view on how buggy that is and how much tweaking you need to do to get the more demanding games to work properly?
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:12
|
|
|
What does support the hardware mean like revisions or system updates. Because if it’s hardware revision most users aren’t going to care about that
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:13
|
|
|
Soul Glo posted:Just about everyone buying this thing already has a deep Steam library, so I would assume the increased software sales won't make a huge contribution to their coffers.  I'd like this to be good, it's cool, and it will keep me off another Switch until I see the reports. That said I'm not super super sad to have a Q2 '22 date instead of Q4 '23, because that's enough time for some real feedback from the wild. If it pans out, looks like I will in fact end up owning Dead Cells on three systems. Oops. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jul 19, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:13
|
|
|
GTO posted:In terms of running games on this, for people who can't be bothered to install windows etc and just want to use it out of the box, will they just be offering a kind of reduced set of 'deck compatible ' apps (ie all the Linux compatible ones?) via the deck version of Steam? You can check here to get an idea of what will run out of the box or with no configuration required. https://www.protondb.com/
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:15
|
|
|
Dramicus posted:You can check here to get an idea of what will run out of the box or with no configuration required. Ah, see, now you have me convinced I'll buy one even if the early reviews are bad 
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:17
|
|
|
GTO posted:In terms of running games on this, for people who can't be bothered to install windows etc and just want to use it out of the box, will they just be offering a kind of reduced set of 'deck compatible ' apps (ie all the Linux compatible ones?) via the deck version of Steam? Steam shows native linux games at https://store.steampowered.com/linux, in steam that's under Categories -> Special Sections -> SteamOS
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:18
|
|
|
Licarn posted:Steam shows native linux games at https://store.steampowered.com/linux, in steam that's under Categories -> Special Sections -> SteamOS A lot of non-native games also run just fine through proton.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:21
|
|
|
Dramicus posted:Yeah, it's a little weird. While the initiatives may have been a failure in terms of adoption rate, the hardware itself was nicely designed and built. I have the Link and 2 Steam Controllers. They're both excellent designs and very well built - especially the Steam Controller. The controller is definitely not for everyone and even I only use it in a very few titles, but there's no issue with the quality of the hardware build itself. Valve generally seems to focus on quality and experience, both hardware and software. Whether the Deck will change the market remains to be seen - sometime pointed out that the aggressive pricing may kill off the nascent offerings that were already out - but it's still good to have as an option. As long as it's a playable and decent piece of hardware that retains its value for 3-4 years, I'll be happy with the purchase.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:24
|
|
|
v1ld posted:They're both excellent designs and very well built - especially the Steam Controller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCgnWqoP4MM Also Valve assembled it in the USA with Aperture Science robots.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:27
|
|
|
I really, really want Steam Deck to workout so that the custom off shoots start popping up. Like a $200 machine that is slightly smaller that is focused on playing Steam's massive library of 2d/less intense 3d games/Retroarch in a simple package. Like something the does Jupiter Hell/Hollow Knight/Enter the Gungeon/etc. Maybe top off with something 3d like Bloodstained depending on the price.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:32
|
|
|
Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Valve aren't a hardware manufacturer at heart, they're a platform holder who know that they need to support new features with a tangible product for them to get a foothold. They don't do version two of a product, but the software powering that hardware is continually developed and supported - Link is available on everything, even as a TV app, the Steam Controller became an all-encompassing controller configurator, and the Index is still one of the best headsets on the market that isn't going anywhere for a few years at the very least. This is being kind. Valve's hardware has always ended in fail. It's not that it's bad, it's that it's not really supported and then they bail on it. The thing is they need the Steam Deck. For one they don't want to be tied to Windows, and with the new Microsoft Store and Xbox integration leading to where it will they can't depend on MS. For another there used to only be one online store, Steam, but Epic is breathing down their necks. Steam Deck is a solution to their problems.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:33
|
|
|
BexGu posted:I really, really want Steam Deck to workout so that the custom off shoots start popping up. Like a $200 machine that is slightly smaller that is focused on playing Steam's massive library of 2d/less intense 3d games/Retroarch in a simple package. Like something the does Jupiter Hell/Hollow Knight/Enter the Gungeon/etc. Maybe top off with something 3d like Bloodstained depending on the price. Well from what I've read, Valve has decided to open up the "Steam OS" of the deck for anyone to use. So in theory any of the companies making similar devices like the GPD win or whatever could put out steam deck clones if they wanted.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:33
|
|
|
FBS posted:Did you get your order in pretty early on Friday? The consensus I've seen is that no date means you're probably in the first batch that should ship in December. Fairly early, so for now no harm in hoping this is the case! It did say Q1 2022 originally but maybe I got bumped up somehow...
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:33
|
|
|
Dramicus posted:Well from what I've read, Valve has decided to open up the "Steam OS" of the deck for anyone to use. So in theory any of the companies making similar devices like the GPD win or whatever could put out steam deck clones if they wanted. Yeah, I read that too. Valve through just has to prove that its possible to make a profit first and/or that there is a massive market here for the taking. I really want a Steam focused competitor to the something like the Retroid Pocket 2.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:36
|
|
|
BexGu posted:Yeah, I read that too. Valve through just has to prove that its possible to make a profit first and/or that there is a massive market here for the taking. I really want a Steam focused competitor to the something like the Retroid Pocket 2. Retroarch is currently in development for steam / close to being released. So the steam deck should be able to completely replace that category of device, well at least when it comes to performance. pocket-ability is another story.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:44
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 21:06 |
|
|
it's in "playtest" but you can go get instantly approved to install RetroArch Steam right now. I haven't messed with it much yet
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2021 15:50
|
|
