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forkboy84 posted:It's been too long since I've had to recommend Domenico Losurdo's Liberalism: A Counter-History but you should read it. It's easy to find on LibCom if you don't fancy paying for it it's a very 00s publication - just shy of two decades later, in an age of Woke Capital, highlighting that a dead white guy was a slaveowner doesn't cause monocles to pop. Have you seen Hamilton, etc. post Trump/Brexit/Corbyn/etc the notion of a left electoralism at the ballot box is no longer incredible, and likewise the prospective bugbear has shifted from washed-out liberal technocrats to full-blown right populism and/or actual fascism, depending on audience. The case to be made here is essentially oppositional: "we the left are better at fighting ${THING_YOU_HATE} than those other people" ronya fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Bobstar posted:Though I hadn't heard the keeping it hot on the long drive aspect, which is quite an American thing. They will drive a distance for food and drink that I would consider a burdensome trek, but that's car-centric sprawl for you. And no excuse for lava coffee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWh6Kw3ejQ Skip to 1:10 to get past the opening bit but yes, basically the McCoffee lawsuit is an incredible act of spin that people still get wrong all the time.
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The other day, I got a call from a number I didn't know - I have to answer these because the agency I work for uses mobiles to contact me. When I picked up, it was a girl with a Scottish accent asking if I'd tried to call her. I said that I hadn't, which was true, I didn't recognise her number. However, I did notice that it was only two digits different from mine. I asked my family and my sister said she's had calls from number that were only two digits off from hers, but she doesn't answer them so she doesn't know what they were about. Any idea what's going on there?
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Jul 19, 2021 14:10
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I'm UK as well, and I get a lot of calls from two digits off my number. I'm presuming that people are much more likely to accept a call if it looks very similar to their number - I know it worked on me.
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Jul 19, 2021 14:16
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Number cloning is apparently ridiculously easy and the current trend in spam calling is to pretend to be numbers similar to the one you're dialing so people will pick up out of curiosity or something? Either way it means getting spam calls from numbers like yours and also getting angry return calls from people who have been rung from your cloned number.
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Jul 19, 2021 14:17
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I think that is a dig at Corbyn from a remark he made a couple of years ago* which was deemed anti-semitic by the usual suspects. I'd get some beer in, too.
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Jul 19, 2021 14:35
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You've all been pegasused, burn your phones unless you want Priti Patel to come round and Jason Bourne you
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Jul 19, 2021 14:35
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Priti Patel couldn't Jason Bourne a chip butty.
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ronya posted:it's a very 00s publication - just shy of two decades later, in an age of Woke Capital, highlighting that a dead white guy was a slaveowner doesn't cause monocles to pop. Have you seen Hamilton, etc. I mean, it's a decade since it was first published in English, 16 years in Italian, & what, 2 years since it was routinely recommended in this thread? The world hasn't changed THAT much, COVID excepted. Mind you, your critique of the book was basically the same then as it is now, but of course the idea of it was never "ooooh, shocking, slaveowners are bad!!!", it's about dismantling the fantasy world that the intellectual basis of liberalism is anything other than rotten to the core. Liberalism has become accepted to be hand in hand with the concept of democracy & Losurdo points out how inaccurate that is. Dismissing the book with a summary like "hurrrr dead white guy was a slave owner, shocking innit?" almost makes it seem like you never made it past the first couple of chapters. Which would be a shame, an avowed liberal like yourself would do well to read it all.
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Bobstar posted:This. Even normally Correct people often come out with the "haha, stupid litigious American pours lukewarm coffee on herself while drifting"-adjacent variants, probably in part because it's reflexive to feel superior to Americans here in Europe. That’s exactly the context it gets brought up in. The amount of people who think damages shouldn’t be a thing when someone gets hurt due to another parties negligence is amazing. Then again something I’ve noticed particularly in online commenting is that there is always a contingent of people who will blame the victim no matter what. Got severe food poisoning from a takeaway? Your fault for being lazy and not cooking your own food. New house spewing sewage from the pipe work and your drive way is sinking? Your fault for buying a new build, should have bought something older instead. Got raped during a night out? Your fault for being drunk and being out so late you harlot. Also I have my coffee black which means its going to be far hotter than if it had milk, and I usually can’t even sip it until about 20 minutes after buying it - so who these people are who need their coffee to stay warm for hours are beyond me.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:That’s exactly the context it gets brought up in. The amount of people who think damages shouldn’t be a thing when someone gets hurt due to another parties negligence is amazing. See also the people who blamed that girl who died in Pret for not specifically asking whether her sandwich had sesame in it despite it not being listed on the ingredients.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:That’s exactly the context it gets brought up in. The amount of people who think damages shouldn’t be a thing when someone gets hurt due to another parties negligence is amazing. It's fear, when it comes down to it. Like conspiracy theories, they have to believe that the world makes sense and is in some way controllable. The just world hypothesis is really, really hard to dislodge from human monke brains
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Losurdo had his IP voided on his death in the proper communist fashion and his Twitter account has copies of all his works. If they're gone or I'm misremembering which Twitter account posted them, I have copies of all his works should anyone want them. Counter-history really does stand out as a proper Marxist text though, the entire first part of the book is a fun and densely-citationed work on why all his ideological enemies are horrid garbage people. If I recommend it to people, it's always with the Hansard citation of Jefferson getting heckled, leaving parliament in tears, and immediately starting the war of independence. The point isn't that the founding fathers owned slaves, it's that they were hypocritical thin skinned wankers who needed a good hanging.
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mrpwase posted:Send all Derek Mitchells into the sea why not make Derek Mitchell do something useful instead of sending hateful letters to the Mail
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Jul 19, 2021 15:22
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Marxism is basically an advanced form of Posting.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:23
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Reminder that most people seeking asylum would be fine working, but world class twat Tony Blair told the Home Office to ban it because the papers were trying to make it any election issue.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:25
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I'm assuming that's a nuclear strike live map, pls send some my way if so
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josh04 posted:Number cloning is apparently ridiculously easy and the current trend in spam calling is to pretend to be numbers similar to the one you're dialing so people will pick up out of curiosity or something? Either way it means getting spam calls from numbers like yours and also getting angry return calls from people who have been rung from your cloned number. There has been a huge surge in it in Ireland over the last few weeks. All the calls being a recorded message saying that the guards are coming to investigate you for welfare fraud*. This was of particular annoyance as my job required me to answer phone calls from numbers I don't always recognise. *= The other big one is phising texts being sent using the same name as one of the countries major banks. If you aren't a customer of that bank, it's laughably easy to ignore. But if you are a customer of that bank, it looks identical to the service they use to send you messages and activation codes.
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TwoShanks posted:I'm assuming that's a nuclear strike live map, pls send some my way if so bump_fn posted:it’s too hot Choosing to believe these posts are related
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Here's Hatie Hopkins being deported from Australia while being forced to wear a mask e: With bonus video https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1417090334937567234 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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forkboy84 posted:I mean, it's a decade since it was first published in English, 16 years in Italian, & what, 2 years since it was routinely recommended in this thread? The world hasn't changed THAT much, COVID excepted. Mind you, your critique of the book was basically the same then as it is now, but of course the idea of it was never "ooooh, shocking, slaveowners are bad!!!", it's about dismantling the fantasy world that the intellectual basis of liberalism is anything other than rotten to the core. Liberalism has become accepted to be hand in hand with the concept of democracy & Losurdo points out how inaccurate that is. I have read it... I don't know why folks regard reading a book as being convinced by it. Broadly: - I don't think liberalism is a continuous and coherent intellectual inheritance that has a shared philosophical core to be 'rotten' - I don't think the liberalism of Rawls relies on the liberalism of Locke, so 'tainting' Locke says nothing about Rawls. - I don't think the charge of a original sin of exclusion makes sense - it would surprise no-one to point out that universal suffrage is a relatively recent innovation that postdates Rousseau and Locke by centuries (why Losurdo stops there and does not go on to emphasize the last group to generally benefit after universal male suffrage - that is, the expansion of the franchise to women - is left as an exercise to the reader). "Actually, all of limitation of the franchise persisting for four centuries is due to LIBERALISM as a continuous line of thought, even if many involved did not identify as liberals - but the expansion of the franchise must be credited to RADICALISM as a continuous line of thought, even if many of those did identify as liberals" is straightforwardly implausible as a thesis (and also winds up with, infamously, Losurdo arguing for Burke as a liberal thinker and JS Mill as a non-liberal thinker). At the worst one can say that liberalism in its assorted historical evolutions is not terribly meaningful in motivating or resisting expansions or contractions of the franchise, but that's still true today; see, e.g., contemporary attitudes toward merging franchises with neighbouring societies, or with mass migrants. Neither does radicalism as Losurdo understands it. - I don't think it even has much to do with classically Marxian or Marxist-Leninist or Maoist critiques of liberalism. Ask a Leninist or Maoist about the principle of franchise exclusion that Losurdo holds responsible for everything from genocide to slavery and they would say: jolly good, make sure it is a capitalist dog being excluded and dehumanized (with the consequent horror being only too predictable). My sense is that it mainly enjoys a popularity as a "hurr durr LIBERALS m i rite" text whenever invoked by the tankie set, without any serious engagement with the thesis (I also wouldn't call myself a liberal inasmuch as a market socialist with regrets) Losurdo opens with this big attack on American presidents - Jefferson, Calhoun - and this is supposed to be a great surprise to the reader, like he's revealing some secret knowledge. But maybe it is not entirely taboo wisdom today? I wager that it isn't really revelatory to newly-engaged-with-politics types, not the sort looking for Verso Books recs anyway. ronya fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jedit posted:I went to see Black Widow at the cinema last night, first time I've been in nearly 18 months. It was practically empty - about six people apart from myself. It was a little unnerving. How was the film? It's on round here next week. Person of Interest chat: I love love love it  when I see the actor who plays Harold Finch in other things (often a psycho-baddy) I'm like 'now now Harold'.I think Control and Root are interesting characters. I'm ok with the Jim Caviezel character, like someone further up posted, his backstory is quite interesting and also, he is essentially 'hired muscle'. Bobby Deluxe posted:Boy do I hate political movements that co-opt names that evoke the opposite of what they stand for. This might be why I get so mad about Starmer's labour. Ah yes. The 'nazis are socialists' take of the right wing - because it says 'socialists' in their name before they start muttering about horseshoe theory,. *source: long time friend of mine who aged 40 lives at home with her folks in Essex and absorbs their Daily Express views like a sponge.
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"Headcorn" is when your brain shrinks and transforms into a corncob
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I thought working the fields in unsafe conditions for very little money was the reason illegal immigration was invented in the first place? As for the McDonalds hot coffee granny that whole thing is hosed. I watched a netflix documentary about it. In america corporations can set up pressure groups with names like 'citizens against punitive damages' and campain without acknowedging that the 'citizens' in this case are mcdonalds.
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The democratic people's republic of korea, of course, is all of those things. It's in the name. You can't just make up names.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Person of Interest chat: POI: I've liked Amy Acker ever since she was in Angel and she did a good job as Root in POI. Caviezel has done some decent movies but he's a bit QAnon/extreme religion these days. As for the media; i decided to mostly disengage from it when i noticed BBC Radio 4 just not going for the kill in interviews as much as they used to.
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OwlFancier posted:The democratic people's republic of korea, of course, is all of those things. It's in the name. You can't just make up names. Why don't you go tell an owl about it
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Communist Thoughts posted:I'm not so sure it's that if you scratch a lib they become fash, they just become authoritarian. If you scratch a lib, they mostly become pissed off that you scratched them; scratching really hurts. Outside that, a lot depends on whether you think it is reasonable to talk about ‘the rise of fascism in 1930s Germany’ versus ‘the way everything always is ever’. Assuming the former, there are a lot of countries that went thru a lot of decades during which the liberals, conservatives and socialists were all effectively allied when it came to antI-fascism. The exceptions are those decades and countries that do have their own dedicated shelf in the history section of a small bookshop. Easy mistake to make to think that the most interesting parts of history are the most significant.
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Look at all these stupid old cunts. https://twitter.com/PaulBrown_UK/status/1417077491081023501
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keep punching joe posted:Look at all these stupid old cunts. Lol at that police slapping that guys hat off
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I don't want to sound hopeful, but after the giant surge of cases the last week that I suggested was due to Euro finals related mass infections, today cases dropped to what they were pre-incubation-via-Sunday's-gatherings so we might not actually be getting 50k+ a day just yet.
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keep punching joe posted:Look at all these stupid old cunts. Today some hooligans knocked over a dustbin in Shaftesbury
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Szmitten posted:I don't want to sound hopeful, but after the giant surge of cases the last week that I suggested was due to Euro finals related mass infections, today cases dropped to what they were pre-incubation-via-Sunday's-gatherings so we might not actually be getting 50k+ a day just yet. We had 54,349 new infections two days ago. The worst ever day was 67,803 back on the 8th of January, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us beat that in a week or two. 
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