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Pablo Bluth posted:Well we're at 87.9% first dose. I think we can limp over 90% as we've still been adding 0.1% a day more or less. The other question is how many people will have got the first dose but fail to follow up with the second. At the moment 2nd dose is 68.5% but uptake rate seems to be holding steady. I can’t imagine many people will get their first then decide not to get the second to be honest
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Jul 19, 2021 17:58
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Jakabite posted:I can’t imagine many people will get their first then decide not to get the second to be honest eh, you'd be surprised that's what my father did lol
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Jul 19, 2021 18:02
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I'm also going to assume that given that everyone under 40 has to have a Pfizer or Moderna, and that those two are available in limited quantities, and that both appointments are booked in advance, I'm presuming that guaranteeing second doses are taking precedent over first doses, because I had to wait weeks for my first appointment theoretically being able to book. In fact moving my second appointment sooner was way easier than getting the first.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:04
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Barry Foster posted:eh, you'd be surprised But… why?
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Jul 19, 2021 18:05
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Szmitten posted:I'm also going to assume that given that everyone under 40 has to have a Pfizer or Moderna, and that those two are available in limited quantities, and that both appointments are booked in advance, I'm presuming that guaranteeing second doses are taking precedent over first doses, because I had to wait weeks for my first appointment theoretically being able to book. In fact moving my second appointment sooner was way easier than getting the first. Supply seems alright given we're doing no appointment walk-in clinics now. vvvvv: yeah, it's very frustrating! (my second dose is due at the start of august and I was turned away from a clinic last week too) blunt fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 18:06
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blunt posted:Supply seems alright given we're doing no appointment walk-in clinics now. I couldn't get a second jab earlier than eight weeks even in a walk-in clinic though, still have to wait 2 more weeks.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:09
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My experience with a few people I know who aren't getting the vaccine is that they've decided a) there's no danger to you if you're under 30 so what's the point and b) everyone who might be at risk already has the vaccine so what's the point, both of which have been caused by the government's lovely messaging. Maybe vaccine passports to events younger people would want to are the kick that people need, but they need that like... now. Not in 2 months or whatever.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:11
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Late 70s, early 80s they had a spate of tv programmes about school leavers' applying for Oxbridge, their interviews and the interviewers' post-interview discussions. Nonces often are. Sorry catching up on pages. e: ^^ Just last week, two of my friends who aren't yet 25, ordinarily fit, went into hospital with covid. Both jabs in both cases. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 18:11
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Jakabite posted:But… why? we all basically got on our knees and begged him to get the first one, which he eventually kindly deigned to do then he had a bit of a health issue and decided it was because of the vaccine (it was three weeks later and we found a definite cause for it - surprise, it's not the vaccine) and he thinks they're untested and dangerous in general. He also thinks we never should've locked down and that it has done more harm than just letting the virus rip. It's no worse than the flu, after all. So after the first one he made it into a hill to (possibly literally) die on, and that's that He also keeps saying he's a scientist he got a 2.2 from Exeter University in undergrad theoretical physics 40 years ago
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Jul 19, 2021 18:11
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England's vaccination rates as of yesterday. Uniformly high across the retirement cohort, a gradual drop-of in the 50-70 range, then a faster decrease below 50. Being over 50 is the point when death as a consequence of covid becomes much more likely, so better vaccinate uptake isn't a surprise. For the over 50s (where the issue of second dose timing is less relevant) 2nd dose follow-up does seem to be around 95%+ so a small number. Optimistically, I think all age ranges hitting 70+ is achievable. I think vaccine passports for travel, when that starts to get back to normal, is what will drive any better update in the lower ages.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:15
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Barry Foster posted:we all basically got on our knees and begged him to get the first one, which he eventually kindly deigned to do Barry, I can see why you get so down sometimes. My old man only got it because it was free.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:16
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Pablo Bluth posted:England's vaccination rates as of yesterday.  What's going on with 45-49 yr olds? Maybe they live with the 65-69 yr olds 👀
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Jul 19, 2021 18:17
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Szmitten posted:I'm also going to assume that given that everyone under 40 has to have a Pfizer or Moderna, and that those two are available in limited quantities, and that both appointments are booked in advance, I'm presuming that guaranteeing second doses are taking precedent over first doses, because I had to wait weeks for my first appointment theoretically being able to book. In fact moving my second appointment sooner was way easier than getting the first.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:18
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blunt posted:
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Jul 19, 2021 18:23
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Pablo Bluth posted:Where that graph from? I've been referring to coronavirus.data.gov.uk which only has an awkward heat-map for vax/age data. NHS England's report from July 15th - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/COVID-19-weekly-announced-vaccinations-15-July-2021.pdf, so only England data as opposed to UK wide. (I posted it on the last page) e; young women are putting young men to shame: 
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Jul 19, 2021 18:24
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Barry Foster posted:we all basically got on our knees and begged him to get the first one, which he eventually kindly deigned to do Jesus that’s rough! I find it so disheartening that the nagging feeling everyone apart from middle class liberals seems to have that the people up top don’t have out best interests at heart and everything is a bit sucked seems always to get directed at the dumbest and worst things. I know that’s deliberate, of course. It’s just so brazen. It’s not like how the economic system works is in any way hidden.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:26
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Szmitten posted:I'm also going to assume that given that everyone under 40 has to have a Pfizer or Moderna, and that those two are available in limited quantities, and that both appointments are booked in advance, I'm presuming that guaranteeing second doses are taking precedent over first doses, because I had to wait weeks for my first appointment theoretically being able to book. In fact moving my second appointment sooner was way easier than getting the first. I got AZ and I'm not 40.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:28
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Trickjaw posted:Barry, I can see why you get so down sometimes. My old man only got it because it was free. I'm learning in therapy that a lot of my issues are down to him really lol Freud was right about a lot of poo poo, just in his own weird rear end way E: Jakabite posted:Jesus that’s rough! I find it so disheartening that the nagging feeling everyone apart from middle class liberals seems to have that the people up top don’t have out best interests at heart and everything is a bit sucked seems always to get directed at the dumbest and worst things. I know that’s deliberate, of course. It’s just so brazen. It’s not like how the economic system works is in any way hidden. Oh yeah, he's been fully radicalised by, in order, The Times, The Spectator, Spiked-Online, and then whatever weirdos and conspiracy theorists he's found online. He's pretty much lost to it all, it's incredibly disheartening. He's basically been sucked into a cult. It's been a traumatic year for him for many reasons but he can't put two and two together and recognise that he's acting in such a weird and irrational way because he's refusing to deal with things. And you see it everywhere. Almost everyone knows, in some way and some sense, that everything is hosed. They can feel it. But they waste that energy on the worst poo poo Anyway, E/N over Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 18:30
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Barry Foster posted:I'm learning in therapy that a lot of my issues are down to him really lol And how hot is your mum?
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Jul 19, 2021 18:32
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namesake posted:And how hot is your mum? lol I was waiting for that one
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Jul 19, 2021 18:33
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Spangly A posted:You got very animated when I once made a post that said socialism can have markets quite. I recall moaning that the problem of market socialism is that its politics is never viable amongst socialists: socialists only concede market socialism when socialism is on the backfoot - i.e., when it is irrelevant anyway. As soon as Corbynism had a pulse, the market odium returned to the fore. Now that it's moribund, we're prepared to talk about it again. Memories are short. Liberalism does normally get away with claiming human rights as theirs precisely because illiberal ideologies denounce it as theirs - as bourgeois/individualist pretensions, say, as the Soviets did until very recently. Which contemporary Very Online leftism notably does not, despite equally holding liberalism in contempt! I've remarked before that the current leftist resurgence claiming human rights/civil liberties etc as one of their own is a sign of the realigning influence of the neoliberal period (its inevitable mirror being, equally, conservative fusionism on the political right discarding it). Losurdo isn't so concerned with the demarcation of rights, anyway, as with the scope of the franchise; for him rights are just endogenous expressions of privilege proportionate to the domination granted by exclusivity. Losurdo does assert that liberal theory has to answer for past failures to sufficiently expand the franchise sufficiently quickly, so merely having universal suffrage today does not count, one must answer for four centuries of oppression - but I don't know how that sticks to politically relevant or public facing figures in the West, especially when it is vividly demonstrated that capital-C Capital, or the Man, or the Establishment, or what-have-you, is actually totally fine to disavow the past, tear down its monuments, and author tearful apologies, and perpendiculate various appendages. Which is a signal change from the early 2010s.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:36
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Barry Foster posted:lol I was waiting for that one Please, continue. 
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Jul 19, 2021 18:36
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The thermometer on my landing has hit a new high of 37°. I think I'll be sleeping downstairs tonight.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:36
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In a way it’s a privilege to potentially witness the end of a semi-advanced civilisation
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Jul 19, 2021 18:41
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Jakabite posted:In a way it’s a privilege to potentially witness the end of a semi-advanced civilisation we live in interesting times, my friend
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Jul 19, 2021 18:44
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Pablo Bluth posted:England's vaccination rates as of yesterday. blunt posted:e; young women are putting young men to shame: Barry Foster posted:And you see it everywhere. Almost everyone knows, in some way and some sense, that everything is hosed. They can feel it. But they waste that energy on the worst poo poo Jakabite posted:In a way it’s a privilege to potentially witness the end of a semi-advanced civilisation
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Jul 19, 2021 18:47
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Jakabite posted:In a way it’s a privilege to potentially witness the end of a semi-advanced civilisation Think of that unbroken chain of survival and evolution between a single celled lifeform and you, with all the ancestors inbetween, and how improbable it was to be here at the end. Revel in the glory of a dying world.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:48
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Friends, a few pages ago, you discussed reactions to and side effects of the vaccines. I had the 1st shot of AZ a couple of weeks ago, and in addition to 38 degree temperature and all of the ensuing feeling like crap for 2 days, I had a weird blob in my arm for 14 days straight. I am spoiler-ing the pictures because the blob was weird and  It's almost gone now but it was scary and the doctor said some Asians have an allergic reactions to AZ, keep monitoring and let me know if it gets worse. The thing was hurting like hell for 9-10 days and felt like it was going to explode, but then it started itching and subsided.       
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Think of that unbroken chain of survival and evolution between a single celled lifeform and you, with all the ancestors inbetween, and how improbable it was to be here at the end. I do, but does it have to be so damned uncomfortable for me personally?
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Jul 19, 2021 18:51
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I would feel better if I thought the world was going to end tbh, if anything it just seems like it is continuing but more miserably.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:57
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The world isn't going to end, the world will be fine, just like the other half a dozen times some species lucked into tapping into a power source that gave it a huge evolutionary advantage, massively increased in population, caused atmospheric changes, and wiped near everything out.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:17
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Ms Adequate posted:I do, but does it have to be so damned uncomfortable for me personally? 
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Jul 19, 2021 19:22
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This is why I was a bit mad at myself when the Jurassic Park episode of the pod came out,* the book has a lot more environmental rants including Dr Malcolm saying this whole rant about how arrogant people are to say we're killing the planet - the planet is going to be fine, a lot of species will thrive with a change in material conditions, but we arbsolutely are going to wipe ourselves out. Even if you look at rich pricks hiding in air con bunkers as the only ones that survive, they're going to have a hell of an intro to marxist theory when they find out where the money they're throwing about comes from, and what happens to a civilisation that has no production (hint - you can't bribe ghandi not to nuke you this time). * Mad for having massive social anxiety and procrastination issues and leaving it until they pared it down to just the core regulars. I really feel like having the book represented would have added more to the discussion. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 19:29
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Michael Crichton was a huge climate change denier so I'd be a bit hesitant of claiming any of his writing as "environmental"
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Jul 19, 2021 19:36
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If you have a second jab booked it can be rescheduled here https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/ I used it to move mine from early August to this week.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:39
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Yeah Crichton originally turned my dad against climate stuff and he’s a smart guy - took years to deprogram. Guy’s a oval office.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:39
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Wait really? Because the gist of the latter half of JP is Malcolm slowly dying and having chapter long rants about how the human race is wiping itself out, intercut with the occasional explanation of how linux works.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:45
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Jakabite posted:Guy’s a oval office. Also dead, which makes a lot of people much happier. 
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Jul 19, 2021 19:45
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I liked the first dinosaur book.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Wait really? Because the gist of the latter half of JP is Malcolm slowly dying and having chapter long rants about how the human race is wiping itself out, intercut with the occasional explanation of how linux works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear
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