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mostly good episode but, as with all the episodes featuring summer and morty’s high school, i don’t really get the ultra-stratified and cliquish view on high school. bullying hasn’t been cool in over three decades. I’ve never seen clear social tiers like the ones summer and morty seem to worry about. their school seems like something more out of 1980 that 2021 QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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There may not be large kids putting nerds in lockers anymore but there’s still shaming and some psychological bullying
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Jul 19, 2021 17:39
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It almost seems more mentally brutal with kids nowadays - lots of damage can be done through social media. They're shaming kids for not buying add-on skins in Fortnite and taunting them by calling them 'defaults' for christsake
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Jul 19, 2021 17:46
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Yeah if anything bullying has gotten worse where are you pulling your experience from.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:55
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Kunabomber posted:It almost seems more mentally brutal with kids nowadays - lots of damage can be done through social media. They're shaming kids for not buying add-on skins in Fortnite and taunting them by calling them 'defaults' for christsake What?! Wow what an age we live it. What kind of shame do you get for not even playing Fortnite?
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Jul 19, 2021 17:55
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QuoProQuid posted:mostly good episode but, as with all the episodes featuring summer and morty’s high school, i don’t really get the ultra-stratified and cliquish view on high school. I think you're mostly right on this. TV and movies written about high school seem to mostly be written about high school in the 90s when the writers were in it. Every teacher I know says bullying gets stamped out pretty hard on an institutional level these days. Kids still do it of course, but it seems like it's been a big point of emphasis in most schools for a long time.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:55
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that's ok, mental health treatments are cheap, plentiful and widely available, with no further social stigma *listen to earpiece* oh. oh no.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:56
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QuoProQuid posted:mostly good episode but, as with all the episodes featuring summer and morty’s high school, i don’t really get the ultra-stratified and cliquish view on high school. OK, so.... "Bullying hasn't been cool in over three decades." I was in high school three decades ago. Was bullying cool? Nope. Did it happen all the time and go totally unpunished, even if minor injuries resulted? Yep. Bullying was never cool. With few exceptions (and none that I've ever actually seen or heard of), no bully ever liked being called a bully, except in extreme (to the point of absurdist) comedic portrayals. Bullies are like villains: they don't think they're bullies. They bristle at the accusation, and their parents will defend them fiercely, tripping over their tongues in a desperate attempt to deny the accusation. As for clear social tiers like the ones Summer and Morty worry about, well, of course not. It's a fictional portrayal, and the high school bit is clearly meant to be absurdist. Real clique structure exists, and for comedic purposes, it's exaggerated to preposterous levels for the show. Of course, if you didn't see cliques in your high school, you were either firmly within the bubble of a popular, or at least intensely insular, clique, or you're from an alternate dimension where bullying and cliques really did go away in 1984. And if the school seems like it's from 1980, that's probably because the show is written by people who haven't been in high school for quite some time.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:58
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Im sensing that most of you haven't had much experience with school since you were in school, yeah? Man, it was only a couple of years ago when I was fishing favourite books out of storm drains and giving kids time out because they think calling someone a lesbian is a cool way to hurt someone's feelings. Bullying happens, it's rampant, and kids learn a lot of strategies to hide behaviour from adults. Bullying isn't cool, per se, but the popular kids absolutely use their power to hurt others for fun. Others lash out, or begin campaigns of harassment. Others are just isolated and stigmatised, often for factors beyond that child's control -- like poor hygiene, maladjusted social skills, or being poor, ugly or otherwise unusual. It doesn't look like 80's bullying, but it's still basically the same thing. It's just the tools and social mores that have changed.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:10
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The reason I posted is I got made fun of for wearing the same two pairs of pants during a week because that’s all I had lol. This was eight years ago but I can’t imagine much has changed since then except more Twitter beefs
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Jul 19, 2021 18:13
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Bust Rodd posted:Hopefully this classical-style episode will hush up all the naysayers, a little middle-of-the-road script wise, but tbh honest I watch this show just as much for the visuals as I do for the script so when the story drags I’m still having fun. The cenobites and the transformers were dope, as was the “lawyer” gag C'mon, you know the drill, this only buys them one week of credit. Seriously tho, solid episode, some of the space action felt more fillerish since the car was basically established as invincible but the Chutback songs and cenobite stuff was all extremely funny
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Jul 19, 2021 18:58
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i guess i was just talking more from my perspective, which im now realizing is a little under a decade old. my experience was that systems of exclusion were a lot more subtle than the v aggressive and outward approach on the show but im probably showing my rear end a little here so apologies. as i said before, i liked the episode overall. liked that the new kid didn't immediately die.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:06
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QuoProQuid posted:mostly good episode but, as with all the episodes featuring summer and morty’s high school, i don’t really get the ultra-stratified and cliquish view on high school. It was absolutely still like that when I was in it in the 2010s. It's not like the movie thing where every clique has a colour-coded uniform and a position on some sort of social pyramid but people form cliques which develop their own little insular culture and act generally dismissive or distant towards people outside of them. If you transfer into this environment you can find it very difficult to fit in because breaking into a social group that has been solidified for a few years already is a lot more difficult than just hanging around in the unformed social nebula and gravitating to whichever nascent friend lump most suits you. If you find yourself in the position of not having one it can make your social life very difficult, and while you're not going to be getting beaten up on the regular being mostly ignored by everyone still doesn't do much for your self-esteem. To add to that, the way schools deal with bullying is unbelievably ineffective to the point of being probably worse than just letting kids go full lord of the flies on each other. They seem to, in the US at least, mostly have adopted this "zero tolerance" policy which, in practice, means that they end up punishing children for attempting to defend themselves from bullying more often than they punish actual bullying. The end result of which is that bullying not only continues to exist but also that bullies seem to actually have authority on their side, which brings its psychological effect on its victims up from "this one rear end in a top hat hates you and is making your life hell" to "the institution itself hates you and the fact that your life is hell is part of its design", which is significantly more damaging because it instills feelings of complete hopelessness. If some guy gives you a noogie every day and never gets punished then, even if he's bigger than you, you can still work up the nerve to punch him in the face and maybe he'll beat you up or maybe he'll back off but either way you can at least feel a little self-respect. If, however, you then get severely punished for doing that, and the teachers act as though he is the victim, and he continues to noogie you every day safe in the knowledge that every time you do something about it you will be punished, then you feel both totally helpless and may actually internalize the idea that fighting back against someone who is walking all over you makes you the real villain.
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cock hero flux posted:To add to that, the way schools deal with bullying is unbelievably ineffective to the point of being probably worse than just letting kids go full lord of the flies on each other. They seem to, in the US at least, mostly have adopted this "zero tolerance" policy which, in practice, means that they end up punishing children for attempting to defend themselves from bullying more often than they punish actual bullying. The end result of which is that bullying not only continues to exist but also that bullies seem to actually have authority on their side, which brings its psychological effect on its victims up from "this one rear end in a top hat hates you and is making your life hell" to "the institution itself hates you and the fact that your life is hell is part of its design", which is significantly more damaging because it instills feelings of complete hopelessness. If some guy gives you a noogie every day and never gets punished then, even if he's bigger than you, you can still work up the nerve to punch him in the face and maybe he'll beat you up or maybe he'll back off but either way you can at least feel a little self-respect. If, however, you then get severely punished for doing that, and the teachers act as though he is the victim, and he continues to noogie you every day safe in the knowledge that every time you do something about it you will be punished, then you feel both totally helpless and may actually internalize the idea that fighting back against someone who is walking all over you makes you the real villain. 
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Jul 19, 2021 19:44
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QuoProQuid posted:mostly good episode but, as with all the episodes featuring summer and morty’s high school, i don’t really get the ultra-stratified and cliquish view on high school. you are either very old and have forgotten high school dynamics, or you are popular with the bullies
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Jul 19, 2021 20:04
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Yea all that stuff absolutely still exists.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:04
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i don't care what era it is, you can't get away with wearing the same pants twice in a row. it just doesn't fly
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Jul 19, 2021 20:08
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That song in the middle of the episode felt like it was straight out of South Park. It felt really weird.Kunabomber posted:It almost seems more mentally brutal with kids nowadays - lots of damage can be done through social media. They're shaming kids for not buying add-on skins in Fortnite and taunting them by calling them 'defaults' for christsake 
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Jul 19, 2021 20:19
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boo_radley posted:you are either very old and have forgotten high school dynamics, or you are popular with the bullies
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cock hero flux posted:It was absolutely still like that when I was in it in the 2010s. It's not like the movie thing where every clique has a colour-coded uniform and a position on some sort of social pyramid but people form cliques which develop their own little insular culture and act generally dismissive or distant towards people outside of them. If you transfer into this environment you can find it very difficult to fit in because breaking into a social group that has been solidified for a few years already is a lot more difficult than just hanging around in the unformed social nebula and gravitating to whichever nascent friend lump most suits you. If you find yourself in the position of not having one it can make your social life very difficult, and while you're not going to be getting beaten up on the regular being mostly ignored by everyone still doesn't do much for your self-esteem. To add to that, the way schools deal with bullying is unbelievably ineffective to the point of being probably worse than just letting kids go full lord of the flies on each other. They seem to, in the US at least, mostly have adopted this "zero tolerance" policy which, in practice, means that they end up punishing children for attempting to defend themselves from bullying more often than they punish actual bullying. The end result of which is that bullying not only continues to exist but also that bullies seem to actually have authority on their side, which brings its psychological effect on its victims up from "this one rear end in a top hat hates you and is making your life hell" to "the institution itself hates you and the fact that your life is hell is part of its design", which is significantly more damaging because it instills feelings of complete hopelessness. If some guy gives you a noogie every day and never gets punished then, even if he's bigger than you, you can still work up the nerve to punch him in the face and maybe he'll beat you up or maybe he'll back off but either way you can at least feel a little self-respect. If, however, you then get severely punished for doing that, and the teachers act as though he is the victim, and he continues to noogie you every day safe in the knowledge that every time you do something about it you will be punished, then you feel both totally helpless and may actually internalize the idea that fighting back against someone who is walking all over you makes you the real villain. So I was in high school during the late 90's and want to ask you if people tried sell people you are age the same bullshit line about what causes kids to be come bullies is at they fell bad about themselves? That line as rang false to me because the bellies I remember where a combination narcist and sadist.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:53
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Just a very wholesome episode.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:15
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Bruce Chutpants
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Jul 19, 2021 21:37
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I noticed a direct correlation between child bully status and the parent's prominence in the local PTA, where the parent filled a similar role (bullying teachers and parents alike, and providing aircover for their hellspawn). The bully-parents would often cultivate friendships with the staff most likely to be assigned as playground monitors.
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Jul 19, 2021 22:55
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Relevant Tangent posted:Just a very holesome episode. FTFY I didn't mention it last night but yeah it was cool seeing the car AI again, the first time is one of my favorite RnM episodes (the A story is RnM in TinyTown trying to get Stephen Colbert to fix Rick's car battery).
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Jul 19, 2021 23:13
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New episode aired 2 hours ago here in the UK but hasn't gone up on All4 yet for some reason 
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Jul 19, 2021 23:26
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BizarroAzrael posted:New episode aired 2 hours ago here in the UK but hasn't gone up on All4 yet for some reason It just went up for me in Canada on Stack, I kinda wonder if that goof up with the seventh episode had consequences hence the late arrival. Also car is best.
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Jul 19, 2021 23:58
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i love rick's sassy car and hope to see more of her every so often. has Rick used his portal gun this season yet? there's been a lot of portals (the weirdo 'narnia' zone, the hell dimension door) but i don't think any portal gun yet
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alf_pogs posted:i love rick's sassy car and hope to see more of her every so often. Seventh episode is all I'll say.
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Jul 20, 2021 00:02
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Rick and Jerry arrived at the club via portal.
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Mantis42 posted:Rick and Jerry arrived at the club via portal. welp shut my mouth
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The Last Call posted:It just went up for me in Canada on Stack, I kinda wonder if that goof up with the seventh episode had consequences hence the late arrival. Got it now, but it keeps erroring out in the post credit scene. Car stuff was incredible, and the Rick/Jerry stuff was strong too. It's not like Jerry is completely salvaged, he's still lame and oblivious, but this isn't how this could have gone down in season one, certainly not in the end standing his ground, which Rick also conceded in order to power the cenobite gun.
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Jul 20, 2021 01:02
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"hubba hubba" was the best jerry quote ever.
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jokes posted:"hubba hubba" was the best jerry quote ever. That got a pretty big laugh out of me too.
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Jul 20, 2021 01:06
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I wonder how many more Interdimensional Cable fakeouts we're getting.
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Jul 20, 2021 01:36
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Maybe this season is us watching an interdimensional cable version of Rick and Morty, combined with a Dark Morty origin story. And it's also a commercial Jerry is creating to sell plumbuses. Or is it plumbi?
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Jul 20, 2021 02:33
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The terrible karaoke song choice (could anyone do a decent sing along with Oh Yeah?) leading into a Ferris Bueller homage was pretty good.
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Jul 20, 2021 02:39
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I didn't really experience cliques in high school despite being super lame. The secret is going to a same sex high school. Steer don't fight. Great episode. I was surprised Morty and Beth didn't sell the new kid down the river.
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Jul 20, 2021 02:58
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Eifert Posting posted:I didn't really experience cliques in high school despite being super lame. The secret is going to a same sex high school. Steer don't fight. I'm gonna guess you're not queer.
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Gromit posted:The terrible karaoke song choice (could anyone do a decent sing along with Oh Yeah?) leading into a Ferris Bueller homage was pretty good. You mean m bow bow?
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RCarr posted:You mean m bow bow? Common misconception. I bet you think that one song by The Who is called "Teenage Wasteland." The song Jerry sang is called "Chick (Chick Chick Chi-kah)". It's French. (Seriously, though, Todd in the Shadows on YouTube did an episode of One Hit Wonderland about "Oh Yeah" that's pretty good.)
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