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Fivemarks posted:So me and the fiancee have started watching Gaiking, and despite the absolute QUALITY of the early episodes, she's really enjoying it. The old one or Daikyu-Maryu?
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Schwarzwald posted:Glad to here it! Out of curiosity, how did you end up watching it? Dark, Forbidden technomagics that I'm not sure I'm allowed to talk about here. GorfZaplen posted:The old one or Daikyu-Maryu? Daikyu-Maryu, of course.
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Jul 16, 2021 19:06
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Fivemarks posted:Dark, Forbidden technomagics that I'm not sure I'm allowed to talk about here. I remember watching that on early youtube. Its funny because every now and then you'll get something like the end of the first cour and go "oh so thats where the time went".
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Jul 16, 2021 19:08
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Like the animation gets BETTER in the series, and its consistently good where it needs to be good. Most of the time.
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Jul 16, 2021 19:16
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yeah, i don't really get j-decker.
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Jul 16, 2021 19:26
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I think Gaiking LODM is on TUBI
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Jul 16, 2021 19:42
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:yeah, i don't really get j-decker. What's to get? It's a boy solving crime with his best friend, who happens to be a giant robot.
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Jul 17, 2021 14:49
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Droyer posted:What's to get? It's a boy solving crime with his best friend, who happens to be a giant robot. i'm used to there being even a flimsy, lazy excuse for why a kid has to go on dangerous adventures. usually it is a secret and/or the kid is special in some way. in j-decker it is just some random mundane kid that every single adult decided should go hang around fights between robots and madmen for no particular reason. he almost dies almost every episode! i know it is wish fulfillment in a children's show but it all seems so deranged.
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Jul 19, 2021 10:03
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i'm used to there being even a flimsy, lazy excuse for why a kid has to go on dangerous adventures. usually it is a secret and/or the kid is special in some way. in j-decker it is just some random mundane kid that every single adult decided should go hang around fights between robots and madmen for no particular reason. he almost dies almost every episode! Pokemon rules. Once you turn ten, you come back home carrying your shield or being carried on it.
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Jul 19, 2021 10:10
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in pokemon every child leaves home for the life of a vagrant animal trainer.
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Jul 19, 2021 10:18
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i'm used to there being even a flimsy, lazy excuse for why a kid has to go on dangerous adventures. usually it is a secret and/or the kid is special in some way. in j-decker it is just some random mundane kid that every single adult decided should go hang around fights between robots and madmen for no particular reason. he almost dies almost every episode! Are there any other Gundams that live up to Gundam’s anti-war premise like War In The Pocket
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Jul 19, 2021 10:47
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Steve Yun posted:Are there any other Gundams that live up to Gundam’s anti-war premise like War In The Pocket Depends how you mean that. The civilian kid prospective is rare, but Gundam does often have war as a tragic mess that leaves everyone more broken than before. You might like Stargazer. 45 minute spin-off of SEED: Destiny. Switches between a civilian scientist and a pressganged Earth Alliance soldier doing dirty work. Whole thing has an emphasis on the war's dehumanizing effects and the attempts to escape it and do something life affirming. Turn A's also worth a look. Much more of a focus on diplomacy than Gundam's standards, with most violence just being pointless, driving everyone further from what they actually want. It's the better show than Stargazer, but it's also much more of a commitment. (Gorgeous show, though. Treat for the ears, too.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:27
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i'm used to there being even a flimsy, lazy excuse for why a kid has to go on dangerous adventures. usually it is a secret and/or the kid is special in some way. in j-decker it is just some random mundane kid that every single adult decided should go hang around fights between robots and madmen for no particular reason. he almost dies almost every episode! He gets to hang around the robots because he taught them the meaning of friendship.
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Jul 19, 2021 13:15
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I'm just gonna say if you find reckless child endagerment takes you out of immersion then mecha, every single show ever made, is not for you.
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Jul 19, 2021 14:14
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i'm used to there being even a flimsy, lazy excuse for why a kid has to go on dangerous adventures. usually it is a secret and/or the kid is special in some way. in j-decker it is just some random mundane kid that every single adult decided should go hang around fights between robots and madmen for no particular reason. he almost dies almost every episode! He's the impetus for Deckerd becoming sentient and he showed both incredible bravery and good situational awareness before he was made a police officer. Seems good enough for a kid's show to me.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:02
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Droyer posted:He's the impetus for Deckerd becoming sentient and he showed both incredible bravery and good situational awareness before he was made a police officer. Seems good enough for a kid's show to me. that'd be a good reason for them to remain friends and spend time together. you could make a show out of that premise, easy. instead they let a small child be in charge. it's a children's super robot show, but it simply goes too far for suspension of disbelief. this just isn't for me.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:17
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Droyer posted:he showed both incredible bravery and good situational awareness before he was made a police officer. An 11 year old who was made a police officer because of his excellent situational awareness sounds like a lie Mac on Always Sunny would tell.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:22
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:that'd be a good reason for them to remain friends and spend time together. you could make a show out of that premise, easy. instead they let a small child be in charge. it's a children's super robot show, but it simply goes too far for suspension of disbelief. this just isn't for me. Bruh
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Jul 19, 2021 15:28
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I for one am shocked that the show that has this  isn't perfectly realistic.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:54
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Looks like a cross between an Autobot and a Maximal. This is a good thing.
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Jul 19, 2021 16:13
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Is it the reckless child endangerment that takes you out of immersion, or the fact that the reckless child endangerment miraculously never leads to harm? Depending on your answer, I might recommend Zambot 3.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:11
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it's more that there isn't a culture or reason around the reckless child endangerment. it's just this one perfectly normal boy that everyone has decided to use as the obvious glowing weak point for the hero robot squad. there were a lot of opportunities in the first few episodes to make the kid somehow irreplaceable to the entire process but instead it was always a deliberate choice to include him. at any point they could replace him with an adult or even leave the robots to act autonomously, but instead they let the bratty child arrest people. mamoru in ggg was pretty annoying a lot of the time, but at least he had a reason to be there!
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Jul 19, 2021 17:34
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Sounds like the issue is there's no in universe justification for the reckless child abandonment
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Jul 19, 2021 18:10
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Sounds like the justification for why he's irreplaceable is just that the robots love and trust him and the power of friendship is good?
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Jul 19, 2021 20:13
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Schwarzwald posted:Is it the reckless child endangerment that takes you out of immersion, or the fact that the reckless child endangerment miraculously never leads to harm? This is the perfect time for "Nervous Laughter.gif" gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's more that there isn't a culture or reason around the reckless child endangerment. it's just this one perfectly normal boy that everyone has decided to use as the obvious glowing weak point for the hero robot squad. there were a lot of opportunities in the first few episodes to make the kid somehow irreplaceable to the entire process but instead it was always a deliberate choice to include him. at any point they could replace him with an adult or even leave the robots to act autonomously, but instead they let the bratty child arrest people. Is... Is it just that you have bad taste, or aren't really the kind of person who can enjoy the Brave and Eldoran franchises?
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Jul 19, 2021 20:52
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Schwarzwald posted:Is it the reckless child endangerment that takes you out of immersion, or the fact that the reckless child endangerment miraculously never leads to harm? The child endangerment is mostly justified in Zambot 3 so I'm gonna go ahead and say it: forums user "gimme the GOD drat candy" should watch Zambot 3.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:45
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GimmickMan posted:The child endangerment is mostly justified in Zambot 3 
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Jul 19, 2021 22:25
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Fivemarks posted:This is the perfect time for "Nervous Laughter.gif" I think they're really just grasping for the show to give any sort of handwavey excuse for why the child is integral to the protagonists' operation and must be placed in danger. Like how Mamoru has unique magic powers that cannot be replicated, or how in Eldoran shows the kids are directly chosen to be the pilots by the magic space alien. I don't really see the reason to need that in a kids' show, but I can at least understand what they're driving at.
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Jul 19, 2021 23:52
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The show with the best reason for children piloting is Ideon where the universe destroying power just likes kids so the mech is more powerful with them in it.
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Ethiser posted:The show with the best reason for children piloting is Ideon where the universe destroying power just likes kids so the mech is more powerful with them in it. Yeah but if you exposed Goons to that, they would go "let's put babies in it so it gets more powerful!" ... Oh, Wait.
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Jul 20, 2021 00:48
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Fivemarks posted:Yeah but if you exposed Goons to that, they would go "let's put babies in it so it gets more powerful!" Yeah, never let it be said that Ideon is unwilling to take a train of thought to its most horrifying conclusion.
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Jul 20, 2021 01:46
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Kanos posted:I think they're really just grasping for the show to give any sort of handwavey excuse for why the child is integral to the protagonists' operation and must be placed in danger. Like how Mamoru has unique magic powers that cannot be replicated, or how in Eldoran shows the kids are directly chosen to be the pilots by the magic space alien. He's the robot's best friend and they all like hanging out with him
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's more that there isn't a culture or reason around the reckless child endangerment. it's just this one perfectly normal boy that everyone has decided to use as the obvious glowing weak point for the hero robot squad. there were a lot of opportunities in the first few episodes to make the kid somehow irreplaceable to the entire process but instead it was always a deliberate choice to include him. at any point they could replace him with an adult or even leave the robots to act autonomously, but instead they let the bratty child arrest people. If you don't like watching the show don't watch the show. I loathe a lot of stuff that is generally popular and I like the stuff I like, some of which is also popular. It's a tent big enough for super robots and there's room for you under it, too.
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i'm not watching it anymore. i was asked what my problem was with it, then i explained that, then i explained it further when people were incredulous that i had that particular problem with it.
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Jul 20, 2021 03:53
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GorfZaplen posted:He's the robot's best friend and they all like hanging out with him gonna be honest i don't think that's a terribly good reason to send a child into battle i don't really care for the specific issue OP has with that specific show but this has been a really weird conversation to watch unfold where people keep saying this in response to a question that it really doesn't answer well ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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I just got around to watching SSSS.Gridman and it was pretty good! Way more fanservice and cheesecake shots than I had expected. I thought Akane was a fascinating character and I would have liked to see more of what was going on with her, I was a bit surprised we didn't get more information about her backstory but it's fine. I guess I should strap in for Dynazenon next.
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Jul 20, 2021 04:49
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It's a kids show and the child is there because he's pals with the robots. I don't really see how that's an uncomfortable answer or how it makes any less sense than most things in the show.
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the dude was asked why he doesn't like the show and his answer was "they never give a reason for the kid to be there and it's weird." people keep saying the reason is "because he's friends with the robot" but that's not a reason for a kid to participate in a life endangering fight, that's a reason for a kid to hang out with the robot between fights. like it's fine to just say "the show doesn't give a good answer because it isn't interested in exploring that, sounds like the show wasn't for you." i think it's kind of a silly thing to dislike a show for but it's not difficult to understand and it's not hard to see why "because he's friends with the robot" isn't a satisfying answer. why is everyone so incredulous about this topic ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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Jul 20, 2021 04:54
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ninjewtsu posted:the dude was asked why he doesn't like the show and his answer was "they never give a reason for the kid to be there and it's weird." It's probably a cultural divide. Some people grew up reading old science fiction and some people didn't. Asimov did a bunch of stories revolving around the four laws of robotics, and it's kind of easy to think of them as defaults, not specific narrative choices. (First Law: A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. Fourth Law: A robot who is friends with a child must put the child at the center of exciting, high stakes adventures, even if doing so conflicts with the First, Second, and Third Law.)
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The issue really is that the original question is wanting a Watsonian answer and everyone is giving Doylist answers
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