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8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

mcbexx posted:

Which begs the question, is it incest if you get involved with your sister from another time line?

I'll show myself out. :can:

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XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:

While the trend has been adopted by weirdos as proof of white genocide, denying it exists at all is a good way to make people think you're deliberately obfuscating.

More interestingly is that classic redhead characters were often mere sidekicks (Jimmy Olsen, Wally West) or coded as exotic/hotheaded/rebellious (Starfire, Little Mermaid, Little Orphan Annie). Casting Black sidekicks offers easy representation points without doing much, and those latter tropes are now being applied to Black people for some reason.

Isn't part of the reason that redheads (and blondes, for that matter) are coded as childlike because those colors do actually have a stronger presence in young children, and often they fade to less intense, browner shades as people age?

It's not fair to the Karen Gillans of the world who have bright rear end red hair as an adult, but I don't think it's malicious to give young children like Little Orphan Annie some bright red hair as a shorthand to remind us that they are young.

And if we really wanna get into a fun discussion, we can talk about why retention of youthful traits in adults, like Black Widow's red hair, is also seen as "sexy"! :can:

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

XboxPants posted:

Isn't part of the reason that redheads (and blondes, for that matter) are coded as childlike because those colors do actually have a stronger presence in young children, and often they fade to less intense, browner shades as people age?

It's not fair to the Karen Gillans of the world who have bright rear end red hair as an adult, but I don't think it's malicious to give young children like Little Orphan Annie some bright red hair as a shorthand to remind us that they are young.

And if we really wanna get into a fun discussion, we can talk about why retention of youthful traits in adults, like Black Widow's red hair, is also seen as "sexy"! :can:

So Black Widow went blonde in Infinity War to remind those around her that the woman who was in her 30s was, in fact, an adult?

And/or ScarJo feared that whatever dye Disney was using to turn her hair red would cause her to go bald and/or get scalp cancer?

ANOTHER SCORCHER
Aug 12, 2018

XboxPants posted:

Isn't part of the reason that redheads (and blondes, for that matter) are coded as childlike because those colors do actually have a stronger presence in young children, and often they fade to less intense, browner shades as people age?

It's not fair to the Karen Gillans of the world who have bright rear end red hair as an adult, but I don't think it's malicious to give young children like Little Orphan Annie some bright red hair as a shorthand to remind us that they are young.

And if we really wanna get into a fun discussion, we can talk about why retention of youthful traits in adults, like Black Widow's red hair, is also seen as "sexy"! :can:

Childlike! Yes, absolutely. The goofy and sexless Black male has become a staple of DisneyCIA movies: John Boyega’s Finn and Anthony Mackey’s Captain Falcon with the precocious and quippy Black female (Letitia Wright’s pre-cancellation Shuri for example) fulfilling a mirror role. Who is the real audience for these? The 90% white audiences which need to be pandered and flattered with a non-threatening, apolitical, trademarked and ready to serve “Blackness”.

This is part of a larger cultural project stretching back to Bill Gates’s genocidal efforts in Africa and Bill Clinton’s 1994 Welfare Reform.

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:

Childlike! Yes, absolutely. The goofy and sexless Black male has become a staple of DisneyCIA movies: John Boyega’s Finn and Anthony Mackey’s Captain Falcon with the precocious and quippy Black female (Letitia Wright’s pre-cancellation Shuri for example) fulfilling a mirror role. Who is the real audience for these? The 90% white audiences which need to be pandered and flattered with a non-threatening, apolitical, trademarked and ready to serve “Blackness”.

This is part of a larger cultural project stretching back to Bill Gates’s genocidal efforts in Africa and Bill Clinton’s 1994 Welfare Reform.

I know you're a weirdo and this kind of posting is your gimmick and that the MCU is largely devoid of sex but Sam Wilson's first scene in Winter Soldier ends by Natasha and Him eye-loving each other. Whether you want to now make the criticism that this was because the Directors were worried that some people would think Sam and Steve were gay is up to you.

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug

Azhais posted:

Much like the infinity stones, inbreeding only works within the same universe

it's not inbreeding - loki is adopted

ANOTHER SCORCHER
Aug 12, 2018

AngryBooch posted:

I know you're a weirdo and this kind of posting is your gimmick and that the MCU is largely devoid of sex but Sam Wilson's first scene in Winter Soldier ends by Natasha and Him eye-loving each other. Whether you want to now make the criticism that this was because the Directors were worried that some people would think Sam and Steve were gay is up to you.

Consider that Black men being an object of physical admiration while never actually engaging in the messy, dirty business of actual romance or sex is better propaganda than pretending they’re ugly. For more examples of this compare the regal, attractive, chaste T’Challa with the sexually desirable, violent, angry, ethnically ambiguous girlfriend-murdering Killmonger.

Rufio
Feb 6, 2003

I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!
Sometimes I forget how bad this thread gets between shows

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

Rufio posted:

Sometimes I forget how bad this thread gets between shows

To be fair it's mostly one poster stirring up poo poo with their "hot takes"

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:

Consider that Black men being an object of physical admiration while never actually engaging in the messy, dirty business of actual romance or sex is better propaganda than pretending they’re ugly. For more examples of this compare the regal, attractive, chaste T’Challa with the sexually desirable, violent, angry, ethnically ambiguous girlfriend-murdering Killmonger.

ShortyMR.CAT
Sep 25, 2008

:blastu::dogcited:
Lipstick Apathy
If an alligator Loki were to fall in love with a crocodile Loki would that be reptilian-cest? Or just really cool

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Rufio posted:

Sometimes I forget how bad this thread gets between shows
Mephisto made you forget

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Friend of mine painted this


A Racoon Loki would be unstoppable.

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010

twistedmentat posted:

Friend of mine painted this


A Racoon Loki would be unstoppable.

The Asgardians of the Galaxy would be specifically qualified to handle him.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

XboxPants posted:


And if we really wanna get into a fun discussion, we can talk about why retention of youthful traits in adults, like Black Widow's red hair, is also seen as "sexy"! :can:

That's simple too! But also awkward. Skin and hair color are sex-linked. Among those of European ancestry for example, women are roughly twice as likely to have blonde or red hair. In darker populations, women on average have a visibly lighter skintone. So even before you get into cultural entanglements like the leisure class getting less sun, white people colonizing most of the world, and massive advertising campaigns for cosmetics that lighten skin or hair, lots of cultures were primed to see light hair/skin as "feminine."

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

This might be the wrong place to ask(maybe should be in comics sub forum) but isn’t the Loki storyline basically Jon Hickman’s Fantastic Four run?

Protagonist finds a way into a new universe where everyone’s fighting a multiversal war, he’s just one of many, adventures ensue, at the end everything’s changed irreversibly

I read that ages ago (2000’s) but if you remove the family it sounds familiar

Except with Loki instead of Mr Fantastic

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

This might be the wrong place to ask(maybe should be in comics sub forum) but isn’t the Loki storyline basically Jon Hickman’s Fantastic Four run?

Protagonist finds a way into a new universe where everyone’s fighting a multiversal war, he’s just one of many, adventures ensue, at the end everything’s changed irreversibly

I read that ages ago (2000’s) but if you remove the family it sounds familiar

Except with Loki instead of Mr Fantastic

The family aspect is the same, too! The protagonist is the only version of himself who is able to fight against and overcome his negative predilections, redeemed by his unusually deep love for his family.

Killer robot posted:

That's simple too! But also awkward. Skin and hair color are sex-linked. Among those of European ancestry for example, women are roughly twice as likely to have blonde or red hair. In darker populations, women on average have a visibly lighter skintone. So even before you get into cultural entanglements like the leisure class getting less sun, white people colonizing most of the world, and massive advertising campaigns for cosmetics that lighten skin or hair, lots of cultures were primed to see light hair/skin as "feminine."

I never knew that! Cool to learn something new.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

XboxPants posted:

The family aspect is the same, too! The protagonist is the only version of himself who is able to fight against and overcome his negative predilections, redeemed by his unusually deep love for his family.

I never knew that! Cool to learn something new.

The gene for red-headedness is also linked to a bunch of other seemingly random traits. It's a very weird genetic anomaly.

Red-heads have:

- Lower tolerance for heat/increased sensitivity to pain.

- Much greater susceptibility to melanoma (even compared to people without red hair who have the same skin tone) because the gene for red hair is linked to a gene that causes lower natural production of vitamin K.

- Red-heads are resistant to anesthesia and require at least 25% more to get knocked out for the same length of time as someone without red hair.

The first people to figure that out had to have had horrible surgeries.

- They also have shown that red-heads have a much higher chance of having rare birthmarks and Parkinson's disease, but they don't know why.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The gene for red-headedness is also linked to a bunch of other seemingly random traits. It's a very weird genetic anomaly.


- Red-heads are resistant to anesthesia and require at least 25% more to get knocked out for the same length of time as someone without red hair.


Depending on the agent used, it can be up to double the standard dosing, which can effect other things you might be trying to do medically. Source: I have red hair, have had surgery, and am an anesthesiologist.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




MCU TV: CIVIL WAR (OVER RED HAIR)

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Finally watched Loki and reading takes after the fact i feel like an outlier as Sylvie was right in by creating a permanent timeline all reality was deterministic and thus there was no free will for eternity. This i see is the minority view and instead that people turned into misohnysts over how Sylvie betrayed Loki or something.

Not taken that a meta narrative was Loki's pre character development plan was to take over the Time Keepers and his last option and choice was his best idea was to... take over the Time Keepers.

Ah well here comes Kang finally.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Lid posted:

Finally watched Loki and reading takes after the fact i feel like an outlier as Sylvie was right in by creating a permanent timeline all reality was deterministic and thus there was no free will for eternity. This i see is the minority view and instead that people turned into misohnysts over how Sylvie betrayed Loki or something.

Not taken that a meta narrative was Loki's pre character development plan was to take over the Time Keepers and his last option and choice was his best idea was to... take over the Time Keepers.

Ah well here comes Kang finally.

The authoritarian gene vs the libertarian view

HOMOEROTIC JESUS
Apr 19, 2018

Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

The authoritarian gene vs the libertarian view

Sylvie: accomplishes the ultimate libertarian praxis by disempowering the current governmental system enough to allow a new, more authoritarian governmental system to take its place

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

twistedmentat posted:

Friend of mine painted this


A Racoon Loki would be unstoppable.

Isn't that pretty much already who Rocket is?

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know

Everyone posted:

Isn't that pretty much already who Rocket is?

Need to see Loki and Rocket team up to steal various prostheses. Maybe one version of Kang has artificial legs and arms.

MH Knights
Aug 4, 2007

Technowolf posted:

MCU TV: CIVIL WAR (OVER RED HAIR)

Truly a war worth fighting.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Was that really the last episode of the season???? It feels like a penultimate episode!!! But wikipedia says only 6 episodes???

Jet Jaguar
Feb 12, 2006

Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.



Lampsacus posted:

Was that really the last episode of the season???? It feels like a penultimate episode!!! But wikipedia says only 6 episodes???

There's a hidden, fourth episode they filmed in secret at the same time that will rectify everything, Sherlock and John finally make out.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Jet Jaguar posted:

There's a hidden, fourth episode they filmed in secret at the same time that will rectify everything, Sherlock and John finally make out.

That was the craziest poo poo. People invested so much into that stupid show and especially their head canon and when the writers were just bad at making good tv, they refused to believe it and created a conspiracy around it no actually being good.

Also it was heavily run by straight housewives who fetishized man on man relationships?

VectorSigma
Jan 20, 2004

Transform
and
Freak Out



So the comics Loki from 616 actually orchestrated his adoption by Odin with his own time travel meddling, and that gives me some hope that a future Thor movie will have Richard E. Grant's variant return.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

twistedmentat posted:

That was the craziest poo poo. People invested so much into that stupid show and especially their head canon and when the writers were just bad at making good tv, they refused to believe it and created a conspiracy around it no actually being good.

Also it was heavily run by straight housewives who fetishized man on man relationships?

Oh god, I remember all of that. "Apple Tree Yard" can't be the same of a real show!

It was textbook bargaining.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Lampsacus posted:

Was that really the last episode of the season???? It feels like a penultimate episode!!! But wikipedia says only 6 episodes???
Yes there is a special episode this week where it turns out Mephisto was behind everything!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Technowolf posted:

MCU TV: CIVIL WAR (OVER RED HAIR)

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
Greg Land, ick, ick, ick.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



I can't even tell if the art or writing is worse

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
That's certainly a face you could draw.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

apatheticman posted:

That's certainly a face you could draw.

Greg Land famously traces. From porn, usually.

Edit: I love that googling him, one of the first results is about him plagiarising other artists.

The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jul 21, 2021

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwdVRuNsZmI

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Open Source Idiom posted:

Oh god, I remember all of that. "Apple Tree Yard" can't be the same of a real show!

It was textbook bargaining.

Yup "It has an actor named Emma WATSON in it, it Must be a secret Sherlock episode!!" like how do you not know who Emma Watson is? The crossover between Sherlock and Harry Potter must be a circle.

Sarah Z had a fantastic video about the whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZBP_0UTh5Q


Why does Hope look like she's about to gently caress Namor? Oh wait Greg Land.

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