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Tiptoes posted:It's not stupid at all. On a dynasty roster, you're going to want multiple guys with long term paths to viability cause you're not going to be able to get replacement level TE production from a rookie draft like you can RB/WR. If you have the roster space and you're not costing yourself swings at quality RB/WR prospects, hoarding young TE assets could really pay off over time even if only as trade chips to use in larger packages. Depending on how things fall I may take a swing at Anthony Schwartz, Cornell Powell, or Ihmir Smith-Marsette. I'm also debating picking up Gardner Minshew in case he ends up on the Saints, Steelers, or some other respectable team that needs a QB next year. kiimo posted:I think Noah Gray is going to play in KC just from what I have been hearing. The coaches are raving about his route running ability and the fact that they didn’t get Juju to be that big second receiver I think they are going to try to work in Noah Grey in a lot of situations. Remember that the Chiefs traded up to get him AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Since it's TE premium, might as well load up on them, but don't expect almost any of those random rookie TEs to ever hit. And you will for sure be able to get replacement level vets off the wire, you just need to not turn up your nose at a guy like Logan Thomas, Jimmy Graham, Darren Fells, Jason Witten, etc etc. Every year there are multiple old random dudes that are seasonal TE1s and 2s.
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sourdough posted:Since it's TE premium, might as well load up on them, but don't expect almost any of those random rookie TEs to ever hit. And you will for sure be able to get replacement level vets off the wire, you just need to not turn up your nose at a guy like Logan Thomas, Jimmy Graham, Darren Fells, Jason Witten, etc etc. Every year there are multiple old random dudes that are seasonal TE1s and 2s.
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You just have to cast a wide net at TE to find the values since TE development is much harder to predict. And for some of these rookies that do hit, this will be the cheapest you can acquire them. The only one I am emotionally invested in is Jacob Harris.  Big man athleticism is the biggest factor for difference-making TEs and that kid is built like a Greek god. If Sean McVay and company can develop him at TE, he is a potential stud down the line. And based on the attention he was getting from coaches in OTAs/minicamp, I think they're already aware of what they might have in him. If he busts, I will be very sad. AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Depending on how things fall I may take a swing at Anthony Schwartz, Cornell Powell, or Ihmir Smith-Marsette. I'm also debating picking up Gardner Minshew in case he ends up on the Saints, Steelers, or some other respectable team that needs a QB next year.
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That’s real light for a TE. My only concern
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It's because he's a large wide receiver, not a tight end.
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Yeah he'll need a year plus on a proper strength and conditioning plan to get his weight up to make the WR->TE transition but the analytics were in favor of his transition and if he's a hit as a receiving TE, his blocking only needs to be passable (eg Darren Waller) instead of elite like a George Kittle. Jourdan Rodrigue of the The Athletic had a great in-depth article about him while he was impressing in minicamp: https://theathletic.com/2648671/202...hell-be-molded/ posted:In fact, it seems Harris has become a “special project” player for both tight ends coach Wes Phillips — with whom Harris is constantly in orbit receiving instruction — and head coach Sean McVay, who has taken extra time with the rookie during drills on more than one occasion. With veteran No. 1 tight end Tyler Higbee not practicing, McVay also placed Harris into the first-team reps in seven-on-sevens through the entirety of minicamp after building his workload in OTAs the two weeks prior. Seven-on-sevens are run at nearly full speed and built to test mental dexterity in a semi-live situation and stress the mind at a faster rate. To see a rookie not only jump over more veteran players on the roster for those reps — and then thrive in them — is rare air, even without the pads on yet.
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Depending on how deep your bench is in dynasty I could see a flyer on him. Going to take a year with S&C to get the size on him and maybe another year or so to get him field ready.
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whelp, wish I had known all of that two days ago or I would have taken him instead of *checks notes* Jermar Jefferson - Harris went two picks before my next pick (I had a huge gap between picks because of trades). The guy that picked him has weak QBs and RBs so if I try to trade Cook away at any point maybe I'll target that guy and ask him to include Harris. I have Minshew as my 4th QB. I just picked Granson and will also be aiming to take Parham and Yeboah in a few rounds. edit: I am also considering Dan Arnold coming up because he is fairly young, has gotten better every year, and was signed by the Panthers to be the starter because they want more involvement from the TE position and their starter last year was bad. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Take Cam Akers off your boards. https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1417490888310370312
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Matt Stafford and not having a top RB. Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait.
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Spermy Smurf posted:Fire up the Hendersons? https://twitter.com/BallBlastEm/status/1417504923944632326?s=19 Henderson may also have an injury. It's Gurley time in LA (again).
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Ayudo posted:It's Gurley time in LA (again). That's Adrian Peterson's music.
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I had two picks in this years lottery. I ended up with 1.03 and 1.05. I really wanted one of Harris or Chase. What do you think it would take to swap 1.03 with 1.02, or 1.01? Edit: This is a ppr dynasty league. RCarr fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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Ayudo posted:https://twitter.com/BallBlastEm/status/1417504923944632326?s=19 
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RCarr posted:I had two picks in this years lottery. I ended up with 1.03 and 1.05. I really wanted one of Harris or Chase. What do you think it would take to swap 1.03 with 1.02, or 1.01? Too idiosyncratic to the two owners of those picks in your league for anyone to know. Add an early 2nd on top, might be enough. But if they also see Harris and Chase as the clear cut top two, it might cost quite a bit more.
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I mean it's kind of a big assumption that Chase and Harris will go 1/2 don't you think? Well Chase yes but I could see someone using that pick on somebody other than Harris especially with Pittsburgh's line not being what it was.
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I'd be kinda shocked if Harris and Chase don't go 1/2 in the majority of non SF leagues. Etienne isn't in a better situation and is not as good a prospect (for many), Smith and Waddle have question marks and not great situations, Pitts is a wildcard that might be most likely to get taken early but he's also a TE so lol. I guess I have seen somewhat egregious QB reaches occasionally even in 1 QB leagues.
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Well for dynasty I could see someone locking down Trevor Lawrence. Or falling in love with Javante Williams. Or galaxy braining Smith, Waddle or Moore. And the hype for Kyle Pitts is insane with many people ranking him the #3 TE before taking a snap in the NFL
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In dynasty, team need can easily trump best-available-at-that-pick, yeah. Additional concerns can include salary cap, roster space, and homerism. Ideally you'd trade back rather than overdraft your guy, but like in my league half the owners have never made a single trade, so that's not a certain option either.
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And in my league trying to trade with someone is next to impossible since every player on their roster is worth a first round pick at the least
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I mean the hype for Pitts goes along with a guy who was billed as the best non-QB in the last draft class.
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Yeah he's great my concerns are more with hyped tight ends never living up to the hype but that being said he has unreal tools so there's no reason that the past should be precedent.
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I’d have no problem drafting Pitts and Lawrence normally, but in my salary cap dynasty league the 3rd pick is worth $17, and the 5th is worth $15. (Out of $250) That’s more than I care to spend on either a TE or a QB.
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Your league is modeled after ours so I get it. But a top TE is worth it. There are 3 good TEs and then a bunch of dart throws, if Pitts lights it up then he's absolutely worth the extra $10 salary to be leaps and bounds above the guys like Gronk and Tonyan. A plug and play top4 TE that puts up consistently more points than the guys in the 5-15 range is worth it. Kelce and Waller were over 220pts in one of my leagues, then it cuts from 150 to 110 really quickly beyond that. It's still a huge dart throw because he hasnt played a snap, but it's not unreasonable to take Pitts. And if Lawrence is Mahomes 2.0 who puts up consistently more points than the QB you are against every single week... Same poo poo. The "too high" salary is worth eating for points.
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Yea you make a good point. I do like Pitts and Lawrence more than the other guys in the 3-6 overall range. If I didn’t just trade Taylor for Kittle($4!), then I think I’d take Pitts immediately. I do desperately need a QB though (currently have Stafford and Tua), so I think if Lawrence is there at #5 I should probably just bite the bullet and grab him.
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Just a heads up, I'm one of the guys that sold you on Mixon a few years back. I may not be good at Fantasy Football. It's totally his year though.  I believed it at the time and did the same poo poo myself in one league.
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Eh I believed it too and still do. I don’t blame you for that. He’s just constantly underproduced and been plagued with injuries.
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I'm feeling crazy being down on Harris in dynasty but man he's a 23yo rookie bama back with the steelers that just doesn't seem like redraft let alone dynasty success.
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Spermy Smurf posted:Your league is modeled after ours so I get it. But a top TE is worth it. There are 3 good TEs and then a bunch of dart throws, if Pitts lights it up then he's absolutely worth the extra $10 salary to be leaps and bounds above the guys like Gronk and Tonyan. That's all fine, but you can just as easily say Chase is going to be AJ Green 2.0 and Harris is going to be Leveon Bell 2.0 or whatever. I think your point with TE points leveling off after the first few actually undercuts your argument a bit, to be honest. No one had Kittle or Waller as difference makers when drafting. On the other hand, OJ Howard, Njoku, and Engram were all drafted as top 10 TEs before they'd played a snap, as were Hockenson and Fant. For all the hype, Pitts is more likely to be a consistent mid range TE1 than he is a superstar like Kelce, ya know? Like, if his career plays out as Hockenson's has so far, he'd be way ahead of the development curve for typical TEs, and also way less valuable than Harris or Chase is likely to be over the next few years. Apparently PFR player season finder is behind a paywall now, which sucks and so not much detail here, but there's been only 13 rookie TEs to exceed 500 yards since 2000, and just 3 to exceed 600 yards. Pitts certainly has a chance to do that with Julio gone, but those are the kind of odds you're facing if you draft him and expect mid range TE1 play right away, let alone thinking you're getting a plug and play Kelce or Kittle.
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I pick fourth in my dynasty league and need another QB to pair with Mahomes. I'm pleading with the stars that either Wilson or Fields fall to me. gently caress Trey and Macorkle somebody else can hope against hope for those guys. Like if Mac falls to me I'm taking Chase and just figure out QB later.
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It's dynasty though. If you need a TE to win now then it's not the worst idea in the world is what I was saying. I would never do it personally, but there is an analytics group that plays FF that would argue it much better for it than I do.
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Just don't overthink it and take the guy you think is gonna be the best player. I'm taking Pitts top three in standard dynasty leagues and top five in Superflex and not looking back. He feels like a relatively safe pick with a high floor or high ceiling.kiimo posted:I pick fourth in my dynasty league and need another QB to pair with Mahomes. I'm pleading with the stars that either Wilson or Fields fall to me. Fourth ain't a bad spot to be in at all in a SF league this year. I'd be pretty damned happy with Chase, Lawrence, Fields, Pitts or Harris. I'm kind of bummed out I don't have a first this year in my dynasty league.
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I irrationally think Fields is gonna kill it in an Andy Reid offense. But admittedly a lot of that is hope because I spend so much time in Chicago.
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kiimo posted:I irrationally think Fields is gonna kill it in an Andy Reid offense. But admittedly a lot of that is hope because I spend so much time in Chicago.
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We don't seem to have any Bears fans on here but the amount of time wide open skill position players were completely ignored by the QB was astounding in the last three years. It's amazing how having a good QB just suddenly makes a play caller so much better. That includes Andy Reid himself
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EDIT:^^^^^^^ THIS!kiimo posted:I irrationally think Fields is gonna kill it in an Andy Reid offense. But admittedly a lot of that is hope because I spend so much time in Chicago. As a Bears fan, I have never felt this excited about a quarterback. Not for Cutler. Not for Trubisky. Fields is going to be amazing until he suffers a career-ending injury because the Bears aren't allowed to have nice quarterbacks AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Isnt Nagy the problem there? He cant stop calling every game like is the fourth quarter of a playoff game when down by two touchdowns? Or has the QB play been so bad it just makes him look bad? Nagy is not the problem. One of the big debates in Chicago this offseason was how to get rid of Ryan Pace while still keeping Nagy. Nagy is amazing at scheming guys open. If you look at some of the advanced numbers on Mooney, he should've been a top fifteen receiver. He made so many elite cornerbacks look silly, only to have Trubisky/Foles miss him. Plus, their interior offensive line was very injured in the middle of the season. It isn't a coincidence that Montgomery had the second half he had right when they got healthy.
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Spermy Smurf posted:Just a heads up, I'm one of the guys that sold you on Mixon a few years back. I may not be good at Fantasy Football. The next year Mixon lives up to his preseason hype will be the first. Who doesn't want to spend a second round pick on a guy who will bounce off the D-line two times in a row starting on 1st and 1 to then watch some other RB come in and easily walk in for the TD on 3rd down 8 times a year. He has Trent Richardson vision and the only reason people have not noticed is because they incorrectly blame the terrible team around him. Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jul 21, 2021 |
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Pain of Mind posted:The next year Mixon lives up to his preseason hype will be the first. Who doesn't want to spend a second round pick on a guy who will bounce off the D-line two times in a row starting on 1st and 1 to then watch some other RB come in and easily walk in for the TD on 3rd down 8 times a year. I legitimately believe this is the year he is finally good because this is the first year I wont draft him.
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