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CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


MikeJF posted:

It was pretty inevitable, she's set up and contracted as the main character and has to be the centre of everything and it was getting increasingly streched making her that without being captain so it'll probably work better now that she is. (and Saru's actor wanted to be in things less because of how oenerous the makeup job is)

But it does feel really bad because it wasn't done in any kind of deserved way and also when they were writing season 3 with the knowledge she'd be Captain at the end, instead of building her up and making her demonstrate over the season how she deserved it, they inserted yet another 'she's incompetent and also not a good officer and gets busted down in rank/position' plot to the season which they speedran this time and then at the end just bumped her back up and threw her into the captain's chair. :shrug:

I mean, that's probably the most realistic thing Trek has ever done. Most officers will gently caress up horribly and then be promoted ahead of peers

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Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Also, every time that redheaded ensign takes the helm everything goes immediately to poo poo because she needs to be written as a complete opposite of Burnham.


^^^^^^ Isn't that usually from captain to small-scale admiral, to put that person into some at home office building overseeing strategic reserves for office supplies and tea cupboards, instead of getting lost in the Pacific or invading the wrong island?

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jul 21, 2021

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Der Kyhe posted:

Also, every time that redheaded ensign takes the helm everything goes immediately to poo poo because she needs to be written as a complete opposite of Burnham.


^^^^^^ Isn't that usually from captain to small-scale admiral, to put that person into some at home office building overseeing strategic reserves for office supplies and tea cupboards, instead of getting lost in the Pacific or invading the wrong island?

Nope, it's bullshit all up the chain.

Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009

End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made



Lipstick Apathy
Once they realized that Burnham was in fact the worst Starfleet officer of all time, they immediately began her fast track to Admiral

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Cage Kicker posted:

Once they realized that Burnham was in fact the worst Starfleet officer of all time, they immediately began her fast track to Admiral

Well, her career includes at least one mutiny, war trial and being saved from a life-sentence by a Terran infiltrator, a couple of disregards of direct order, who knows how many violations of temporal accords, several attacks against non-aligned world's diplomatic envoys etc... They should have made someone else the captain and keep her on the civilian track and become something akin to "mission specialist" which corresponds to a captain but isn't.

She clearly has no respect for the command chain, nor towards the crew of her ship, but because of her plot shield she always ends up being right.

So when Disco 4 fraps up she will be a rear admiral in charge of endangered wildlife, national parks and recreational planets, so that she can flunk off with her not-boyfriend to save the hypnotoads. And decide how to fill up that large hole where Book fell twice on a Arcturus 4, and next to Tilly's family farm to make it an recreational area.

MrTargetPractice
Mar 17, 2004

Maybe it's a 5d chess move to introduct a new, less lovely character. She orders some very not Trek/federation bullshit and the new character starts a mutiny against her. They chuck her out the airlock and there is an immedate 50% reduction in crying while doing morally dubious stuff (the 2 things are. Unrelated of course. She has no issue with moral grey area).

And then I woke up

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



HD DAD posted:

His “man I don’t wanna do this” face at 1:50 is my favorite thing ever.
it's so good.

punishedkissinger posted:

Shatner is probably the worst actor out of all of the captains right?
shatner has a very specific speech pattern but he's not a bad actor. he convinced me he could speak esperanto.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Disco has had exactly one good captain and his name is Christopher Pike

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

FlamingLiberal posted:

Disco has had exactly one good captain and his name is Christopher Pike

Yes; Saru has all the good intentions but he is over his capabilities and is unable to see the big picture, Tilly just does not cut it (she basically handed over the Discovery by not jumping away to somewhere safe in the S3 ender to hide) and Burnham is a loose cannon who would gently caress up if she wasn't protected by the narrative.

EDIT: Why Tilly did not just black alert and jump away to some nearby place is really stupid; they had the coordinates, and the Emerald Chain flag poo poo could just pursued them, or get hosed by trying to enter the nebula.

Jump back when the flagship reaches them at the nearby place, rescue the crew and jump the gently caress away. This way, none of the finale stuff inside the Fed would have happened, that Orion vessel would have killed itself by going to investigate the Nebula, and the people stranded there would have been none-the-wiser. Trying to apprehend that kelpien who was semi-connected to the dilithium would have killed the Orion ship anyway if they ever reached the far end.

And federation already knew the place, so why not send a strong fleet along with the joined vulcanremulan fleet to kill that stupid fucker.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jul 22, 2021

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




FlamingLiberal posted:

Disco has had exactly one good captain and his name is Christopher Pike

Real Georgiou was pretty great for all of the 1.7 episodes she was alive for.

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


Der Kyhe posted:


So when Disco 4 fraps up she will be a rear admiral [...] so that she can flunk off with her not-boyfriend to save the hypnotoads. And decide how to fill up that large hole where Book fell twice on a Arcturus 4, and next to Tilly's family farm to make it an recreational area.

Parks and Trek

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



MikeJF posted:

Real Georgiou was pretty great for all of the 1.7 episodes she was alive for.
That was on the Shenzhou

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

why are there so many O'brien episodes?

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost
Star Trek: Picard takes place after someone was nice to O'Brien and broke the Omelas pact that kept the federation a utopia.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Suffering is content.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

I am content with suffering.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

punishedkissinger posted:

why are there so many O'brien episodes?

If there was a secondary character TNG and DS9 that stood out or an actor brought something extra to a guest of the week they’d write more for that character. It wasn’t just O’Brien, but Barcley and Ro Laren
Garak and Rom were smaller roles that grew bigger because the actors did such a great job with them.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I love the story that the idea of Vorta cloning was invented because a day into filming everyone knew they needed to bring Jeffery Combs back but they'd already written his character dying

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
https://twitter.com/RobertPicardo/status/1418023134360395777?s=19

MrTargetPractice
Mar 17, 2004

Robert Picardo is a treasure. He starts out as a lovely pencil pusher in Starget SG1 and part way through Atlantis he gets put in command and eventually "gets it" and chills out and actually feels like a member of the team.

I'm high and pooping and I just noticed Stargate: SG1 is actually Stargate: Stargate 1 lol.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016
Star "Stargate" Gate: SG1 Gate

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

MrTargetPractice posted:

Robert Picardo is a treasure. He starts out as a lovely pencil pusher in Starget SG1 and part way through Atlantis he gets put in command and eventually "gets it" and chills out and actually feels like a member of the team.

I'm high and pooping and I just noticed Stargate: SG1 is actually Stargate: Stargate 1 lol.

No, it's Stargate: Stargate Team 1 :goonsay:

It's well before Atlantis, from memory. He starts out as a bog-standard pencil-pusher, gets put through the wringer a time or two, realizes "holy poo poo, this is all ABSOLUTELY necessary and cutbacks/reassignments would get us all dead or worse", and starts bending the rules in their favour. He's generally sent in to work to the absolute letter of the law, Woolsey just does it in Stargate Command's favour.

By the time he's dumped on Atlantis Base to reign them in, he just knows to leave well enough alone and let the smart people do their crazy plans while standing well back.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

looking forward to the exciting new nutrek shows, Star Trek: Crying in a Jet Black Room, Star Trek: Child Marine Corps, and the exciting Next Gen spinoff Star Trek: Four Lights where according to acclaimed director Kurtzman "Cardassians torture a crew member an episode, that was definitely the point of that episode and why you nerds love it so much right"

CaptainSkinny
Apr 22, 2011

You get it?
No.


chaosbreather posted:

looking forward to the exciting new nutrek shows, Star Trek: Crying in a Jet Black Room, Star Trek: Child Marine Corps, and the exciting Next Gen spinoff Star Trek: Four Lights where according to acclaimed director Kurtzman "Cardassians torture a crew member an episode, that was definitely the point of that episode and why you nerds love it so much right"

I watch that episode for naked Picard.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



i was really happy with how passionate archer was about not killing children. then it turned out he was brainwashed by an exploding egg and i guess he was wrong to not kill kids

most recently he pirated a warp coil off another ship

that's ofc ignoring the time he had phlox murder someone etc

it's all very disappointing

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

CaptainSkinny posted:

I watch that episode for naked Picard.

I read he insisted on doing it naked lol

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



star trek: 9/11

The General
Mar 4, 2007


chaosbreather posted:

looking forward to the exciting new nutrek shows, Star Trek: Crying in a Jet Black Room, Star Trek: Child Marine Corps, and the exciting Next Gen spinoff Star Trek: Four Lights where according to acclaimed director Kurtzman "Cardassians torture a crew member an episode, that was definitely the point of that episode and why you nerds love it so much right"

This one has potential because I like the same-ish events a dozen different ways gimmick.

The General
Mar 4, 2007


A dozen different torture methods sourced from the Trek catalogue presented in a black mirror style search for why the accused is guilty.

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

I love our secret police esp in my fantasy utopia scifi, it doesn't feel like drinking sewage

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

Gowron is a fuckin white guy??

I feel gross, crazy eyes was my favourite tng character :(

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

SilvergunSuperman posted:

Gowron is a fuckin white guy??

I feel gross, crazy eyes was my favourite tng character :(

What

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

SilvergunSuperman posted:

Gowron is a fuckin white guy??

I feel gross, crazy eyes was my favourite tng character :(

The blue eyes didn’t tip you off?

Olewithmilk
Jun 30, 2006

What?

I heard Gul Dukat was a white guy too :( and Captain Picard :( :(

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

Automatic Slim posted:

The blue eyes didn’t tip you off?

They have these crazy things called contacts.
I don't fully understand the technology ofc, this is like 2400 or some poo poo.

SilvergunSuperman fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Jul 22, 2021

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010


What part's confusing to you? Let's rap, pal.

Whorelord
May 1, 2013

Jump into the well...

I have no idea how you'd think the actor playing Gowron was anything other than white.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



my name is star trek and i'm here to say
i like tuvok in a regular way
neelix i can do without
he makes me want to scream and shout
my man tuvix is now outta the mix
*five seconds of scratching*
did you know klingons had two dicks

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

punishedkissinger posted:

why are there so many O'brien episodes?

because they are great.

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SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

Whorelord posted:

I have no idea how you'd think the actor playing Gowron was anything other than white.

My blackface radar is poorer than yours? Lol that it's beyond your comprehension.

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