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I've never seen Lazypeon so frustrated before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI9v51-G3ng
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Jul 20, 2021 19:02
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Everyone is in the campaign right now (guild vs guild), honestly his point about the UI being really unhelpful is the root of nearly every other complaint he had there I think. The combat in crowfall feels pretty good to me, class design is cool, but there are fundamental flaws that are not doing it any favors - going to lead to a lot of bad press when the gameplay itself isn’t as bad as a lot of what I read. It’s unfortunate but hey they launched the game in this state so what can the expect.
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Crowfall looks pretty unfinished but its base-level combat system and feel of how it plays is much better than tab-targeting which I hope dies forever.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I'd expect to see a starcraft FPS sooner than an MMO, tbh, especially with all the shooters that warhammer 40k has been getting. A good compromise would be focusing the main experience on humans, and having zerg and protoss mostly be AI mobs, but also allowing players to potentially play as a zerg or protoss but with limitations and not a full character. Like didn't LOTRO have a mode where players could be orcs? And its not like you leveled up from 1-60 as an orc, you were just a guy who could gently caress with some players and then die and you'd respawn as some other orc. That same asymmetric approach could work, so that you save yourself from having to build 3 full mmos where you can level up a zergling into a hydralisk or whatever.
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Zaphod42 posted:A good compromise would be focusing the main experience on humans, and having zerg and protoss mostly be AI mobs, but also allowing players to potentially play as a zerg or protoss but with limitations and not a full character. Where's the W40K MMO where patrician subscribers play as Space Marines and Eldar, and f2p peasants play as Ork Boyz and Imperium soldiers?
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Jul 21, 2021 06:40
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cmdrk posted:Where's the W40K MMO where patrician subscribers play as Space Marines and Eldar, and f2p peasants play as Ork Boyz and Imperium soldiers? Honestly that would be pretty cool. I wouldn't even be mad. If its legit free to be a guard or boy and the game gets subsidized by whales who pay to be marines, that could work really well and still match the fiction. Its also a way to get around the star wars galaxies problem. Jedi should be rare and that means not everybody can be one. Make it free to be a dude and make jedi premium. Yeah its a little pay2win and becomes inaccessible to most people, but grinding 3000 hours to unlock jedi is just as inaccessible, and letting everybody be jedi is broken. But as mentioned before, they've taken one or two swings at a 40k MMO and they didn't get very far. You need a pretty massive budget to do that, WoW scale, and I don't think anybody wants to make that big a bet on 40k. 40k's probably better as more of a niche thing anyways. Lots of people really like it, but basically everybody else doesn't really care.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I've never seen Lazypeon so frustrated before. I keep an open mind on these things but will agree with him that it just seems like a worse GW2 wvw with tediously long respawns. Shame because I liked crowfalls concept of letting your side actually win the eternal PvP stalemate and then starting over like seasonal leagues in other games.
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Jul 21, 2021 07:48
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Biowarfare posted:When did exploits become strategy? It's not like they legitimately kited in circles or anything. It is anything but straightforward when you're trying to figure out how to beat a fight what is an exploit and what is the intended method of beating the encounter. The guild Conquest was banned in early WoW because they got the first (or one of the first) Golemagg kill by kiting him through most of Molten Core in order to separate him from his unkillable adds, for example. So while those FF11 things sound like they were fairly obviously unintended, consider if they HAD figured out the intended way to kill the boss (if we use our ability almost exactly as the boss uses his ability then it breaks his AI and he never uses the ability again). They are solving the same problem (how are you supposed to avoid this absurd boss ability?) and there is often no way for players to know if something that works is intended, especially when the devs use obtuse gimmicks.
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Jul 21, 2021 09:04
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Biowarfare posted:When did exploits become strategy? It's not like they legitimately kited in circles or anything. It's been this way since at least the dawn of internet gaming. I can recall debate surrounding pre-casting and the double hally hit in UO. You could say that's just how players were, but given how new the whole MMO thing was and how other genres were adapting to internet play, it was easy to muddy the waters back then. MMO developers were not known to be sane people, they had a vision and they stuck to it, and getting them to talk to players about issues was like pulling teeth. I agree though that as long as you aren't using third party programs, anything a developer leaves unintended in the game world is not your fault. In the last decade they have done a relatively better job than the decade previous. It's helped to standardize in the minds of other players what an exploit actually is. 20+ years ago, you had a lot more room to interpret and a lot more room to gently caress up and still make money. Zaphod42 posted:Like didn't LOTRO have a mode where players could be orcs? And its not like you leveled up from 1-60 as an orc, you were just a guy who could gently caress with some players and then die and you'd respawn as some other orc. Kind of. It was horribly mismatched as monster classes could never scale the way player classes could. It never lived up to its potential despite how fun it was in the beginning, and ultimately ignored completely for multiple expansions. I secretly miss it a lot.
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Jul 21, 2021 14:48
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I wasted a lot of time playing PvMP as a warg and black arrow. Never got into it on the freep side though.
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Jul 21, 2021 14:51
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Zaphod42 posted:But as mentioned before, they've taken one or two swings at a 40k MMO and they didn't get very far. You need a pretty massive budget to do that, WoW scale, and I don't think anybody wants to make that big a bet on 40k. yeah, I preordered Eternal Crusade during the hype phase when it was full of dreams.txt. guess it's getting shut down permanently in Sept 
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Jul 21, 2021 16:18
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Hearing about Square banning players for merely taking advantage of dumb A.I. and Origin refusing to ban players rioting in their games due to it "breaking immersion" makes me think MMO developers used to be legit insane back in the day.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:37
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When I was playing crowfall, no one was in guild v guild and everyone was in the newbie area since guild v guild isn't too much fun. The classes? Good The races? Good The abilities? Feels good UI? Sucks poo poo The reason to to gvg? Also sucks poo poo.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:40
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punk rebel ecks posted:Hearing about Square banning players for merely taking advantage of dumb A.I. and Origin refusing to ban players rioting in their games due to it "breaking immersion" makes me think MMO developers used to be legit insane back in the day. When SOE kept loving up SWG the players would form mass protests and the GMs/devs would start teleporting people into the middle of space.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:44
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Third World Reagan posted:When I was playing crowfall, no one was in guild v guild and everyone was in the newbie area since guild v guild isn't too much fun. Were there actually enough players to pvp with in the newbie worlds? The few videos I watched made them look super unpopulated (and yet inexplicably the server browser still splits them up into a dozen+ separate worlds)
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Jul 21, 2021 17:04
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Were there actually enough players to pvp with in the newbie worlds? The few videos I watched made them look super unpopulated (and yet inexplicably the server browser still splits them up into a dozen+ separate worlds) Not really. I mean some times pvp happened but it was all ganking. The gvg dreg servers only had people when it was castle time. The little bit of pvp I did get to do was fun. But there isn't a reason to do pvp at all. In the end, it is a crafting / harvesting game with pvp tacked on.
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Groovelord Neato posted:When SOE kept loving up SWG the players would form mass protests and the GMs/devs would start teleporting people into the middle of space. I mean why not just ban players who are being too rowdy and while encouraging players to "protest" by canceling their subscription (where it really hurts SOE)?
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Groovelord Neato posted:When SOE kept loving up SWG the players would form mass protests and the GMs/devs would start teleporting people into the middle of space. lmao GMs larping as cops even harder than usual
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Jul 21, 2021 18:07
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punk rebel ecks posted:I mean why not just ban players who are being too rowdy and while encouraging players to "protest" by canceling their subscription (where it really hurts SOE)? We're here chasing the same dragon. They wanted their game back but couldn't quit it right away. Something that surprised me about SWG is how short its golden age was. And SOE killed subs on their own by making these changes - people did leave in droves and they never captured a new audience. I think Smedley even said in the recent past they shouldn't have done the Combat Upgrade or New Game Experience. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jul 21, 2021 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:Hearing about Square banning players for merely taking advantage of dumb A.I. and Origin refusing to ban players rioting in their games due to it "breaking immersion" makes me think MMO developers used to be legit insane back in the day. Devs used to just have a lot less control over their games. Nowadays it's all so tightly monitored that you don't have a single NPC stepping out of line without six demonic GMs stepping in. Back in the day you basically just had a bunch of people with mod tools panicking.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Devs used to just have a lot less control over their games. Nowadays it's all so tightly monitored that you don't have a single NPC stepping out of line without six demonic GMs stepping in. Back in the day you basically just had a bunch of people with mod tools panicking. Is that really a thing? I know Blizzard will watch world first races and fiddle with fights, but do they really give that many shits about mobs otherwise? I mean, no one seems to give much of a poo poo about bots or players in PvP scenarios teleporting around maps, so I'd find it weird they would care about mobs. You can't even call stuff out these days. If you dare post a screenshot or video with an unobscured player's name showing them teleporting around on official forums or subreddits for some games and your post is going to get removed.
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GI_Clutch posted:Is that really a thing? I know Blizzard will watch world first races and fiddle with fights, but do they really give that many shits about mobs otherwise? I mean, no one seems to give much of a poo poo about bots or players in PvP scenarios teleporting around maps, so I'd find it weird they would care about mobs. You can't even call stuff out these days. If you dare post a screenshot or video with an unobscured player's name showing them teleporting around on official forums or subreddits for some games and your post is going to get removed. Yeah it was definitely a thing. IIRC I got a talking to from a GM in EQ for exploiting an AI bug where you could stand on a cliff ledge in Luclin and enemies couldn't path to you so they'd just stand still and let you kill them with ranged attacks. Fix your game, don't blame me!  There's also stories like the sleeper kill on EQ where the mods jumped in and stopped them because they thought players were cheating. On the WoW side I don't remember many stories like that, but I DO remember hearing stories of raid groups getting kills and having loot bug out and not drop, and calling in GMs who would actually enter the instance and check things out and spawn loot for the raid to make up for it. These days though there's so much more QA in MMOs than there used to be, so its less likely to even happen in the first place. And then they probably don't really care unless you're like a world-first streamer or something.
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Groovelord Neato posted:We're here chasing the same dragon. They wanted their game back but couldn't quit it right away. The combat upgrade era was my favorite time in that game. Too bad it only lasted like a month before NGE hit.
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah it was definitely a thing. IIRC I got a talking to from a GM in EQ for exploiting an AI bug where you could stand on a cliff ledge in Luclin and enemies couldn't path to you so they'd just stand still and let you kill them with ranged attacks. Fix your game, don't blame me! I meant is it still a thing now because it feels like GMs/support are very slow/hands off. I was looking through some of my old DAoC screenshots from 2003 the other day and one of them had a nice "There are 8 appeals in the queue. You do not have a pending appeal. The average wait time is currently 5 hours, 33 minutes. There are 9 CSRs monitoring all server queues at this time." message. Nowadays, a support request seems to just go into a queue and you hope to get an email within a few days. There was a Guild Wars 2 Youtuber who was sick of all of the bots in PvP automated tournament matches and support not responding to reports that he threw some slurs around in chat because those were the magic words to make a GM appear out of thin air.
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wheres the blizzard death watch thread again, this latest sueing by California is something else if the stories are true godDAMN
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frajaq posted:wheres the blizzard death watch thread again, this latest sueing by California is something else if the stories are true godDAMN Wow, holy poo poo. https://kotaku.com/activision-blizzard-sued-by-california-over-widespread-1847339746 quote:In the office, women are subjected to “cube crawls” in which male employees drink copious [amounts] of alcohol as they “crawl” their way through various cubicles in the office and often engage in inappropriate behavior toward female employees. Male employees proudly come into work hungover, play video games for long periods of time during work while delegating their responsibilities to female employees, engage in banter about their sexual encounters, talk openly about female bodies and joke about rape. Burn the whole thing to the ground and jail these bastards good loving god.
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Here is the full filing. Seems like this is mostly coming from Blizzard and specifically the WoW team. https://aboutblaw.com/YJw Check out sections 47 and 48 
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frajaq posted:wheres the blizzard death watch thread again, this latest sueing by California is something else if the stories are true godDAMN It's in Games these days. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3900763
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Tainen posted:Here is the full filing. Seems like this is mostly coming from Blizzard and specifically the WoW team. lol furor
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The artwork looks amazing so I do want it, but after Warcraft 3 was such a literal ripoff and they've been poo poo for years and now this, lol I'm good no thanks.
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Tainen posted:Here is the full filing. Seems like this is mostly coming from Blizzard and specifically the WoW team. Alleged rapist Bill Crosby
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eonwe posted:im so shocked furor is a piece of poo poo Ya I know some folks who were his competition in EQ1 and he always sounded like an extra special piece of poo poo in that game
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