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I'm expecting to contract for my black belt soon with testing June 2022 - but I don't know if I physically can. My vertigo/balance is just not getting better and I find I am having a hard time with any fine balance control and I'm even noticing I just don't feel "sharp" - almost like I'm a little drunk 90% of the time (I'm not) and focusing. It's sort of what I think a concusion would feel like, but I haven't taken any good hits since last September - and certainly no contact at all since then (smacked my head good on a nasty take-down). My Dr has no reason to believe it's anything more serious than vertigo, but I'm getting an MRI next month just to be safe. He's very confident it isn't a stroke or anything like that, thank god. Vertigo should be done by now, 9 times out of 10. I'm trying a different physiotherapist Thursday and see if we can do something, but man, this really, really sucks. The good news, my province is opening up with all remaining health regulations so we can get back to real training again and actually really spar - which will be soooo nice. As long as I feel like I can safely do it that is. 
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That might be Meniere's Disease; I had a boss that had it and would just randomly get dizzy and fall down at work every now and then. You have tinnitus as well? Also, as an update, I DID go ahead and test for yellow and did very well. I finally hit a point where class isn't absolutely exhausting anymore (still tiring and I'm still sore the next day, but as sore as would be expected from a good workout) and things are finally starting to "click" as it were. Loving it!
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No tinnitus, thankfully. It does come and go in the sense some days are worse than others, but I don't think I've ever fallen down other than the very first day when it smacked me like a bag of hammers. MRI is next week - at least be good to rule out nothing super serious like brain cancer or some loving thing. Congrats on the promotion. The more you train, the more you get into shape and it become less "difficult" in a fitness sort of way, but it should always be a good workout. I remember one yellow belt we had - very much an adult (25ish?) and heavy, out of shape. He would tucker out after about the first 10 minutes of drills. Lean against the wall, breathe heavy. Sometimes go sit in the guest chairs. 50% of the time at that point he'd just leave. He asked if he could test for his green stripe and they told him no, he wasn't ready (big shock) so he eventually stopped coming completely.
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Someone from here who knows more than I do should go make Judo thread in the Olympics forum.
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Grifter posted:Someone from here who knows more than I do should go make Judo thread in the Olympics forum.  Judo and Fencing are the only Summer sports I care to watch.
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Curious about karate:quote:There are a few different ways to earn points in the competition, and players can be awarded one, two or three points for proper striking technique. A three-point strike comes when a participant his the head or neck of an opponent with a kick or if a technique is used against a fallen adversary. A two-point shot involves landing a kick to the side, back, belly or torso of the opponent. A one-point strike comes for delivering a close-handed punch or strike to the opponent's head, neck, belly, side, back or torso.
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kimbo305 posted:Curious about karate: Oh poo poo I forgot Karate made it in this year. I might watch some Kumite matches.
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It better be Kyokushin where they have to stand in a phone booth and they're not allowed to strike to the head but they're allowed full force kicks to the dome. That'd own. It's shotokan point fighting with extra safety gear isn't it
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Olympic grappling thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3974290
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CommonShore posted:It better be Kyokushin where they have to stand in a phone booth and they're not allowed to strike to the head but they're allowed full force kicks to the dome. That'd own. The best thing about Kyokushin rules are the insane number of suicide kicks folks do that just wouldn’t work in other rule sets.
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kimbo305 posted:Curious about karate: Those Karate rules sound very similar to our typical traditional TKD tournament rules, except the back or fallen adversary. If someone falls the match is instantly halted. We don't allow any points for backside strikes, be it hand or foot. In fact, it's a warning and depending on the rules after the 3rd one they'll start penalizing by subtracting points. The "hit too hard" thing is pretty subjective and left to the refs judgment. I've been in tournaments where I was warned for excessive force (some call it excessive contact) but yet the same was perfectly fine in the match 20 minutes earlier with a different ref.  It would be interesting to hear if they have any metric for that, IE: Head snaps? e: Thirteen Orphans posted:
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CommonShore posted:Olympic grappling thread
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Karate gold medal match https://twitter.com/boyousef_14/status/1423985264851050501 Well that's one way to end it. Dude reaching in for the punch didn't help him much.
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slidebite posted:Karate gold medal match Didn't that guy get DQ'd for doing a kick that was "too forceful"? E: yep, he got DQ'd https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2021/08/tokyo-olympics-karate-head-kick-ko-too-hard-gold-medal-match What a loving joke.
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Yeah, definitely a drawback of being so subjective imho. The Iranian guy closed his distance for the punch and ate his boot mid cross. That said, if that happened in one of our tournaments it would likely be a DQ too.
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The karate has actually been fairly entertaining to watch, whereas the TKD has devolved into complete nonsense. I am however puzzled why they have a 10-count, when all the attacks that required a count were also deemed illegal.
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With the odd exception, olympic TKD was pretty awful to watch. Some of the mixed team stuff they did as a demonstration had some entertaining moments (especially when the ref let them go) but I don't know if I'd go out of my way to watch it. Karate sparring was more enjoyable to watch especially since it is much closer to what I practice personally, but reading about it last night it doesn't appear to be planned for Paris and the knock out of that last match probably won't help their cause.
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They should get rid of olympic TKD and karate and bring in olympic kickboxing with full kicks and spinnin' poo poo added, and safety rules based on the boxing's. Did anyone watch any of the karate kata competition? How was that?
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CommonShore posted:Did anyone watch any of the karate kata competition? How was that?
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The kata stuff was lame. I'm sure it's very cool if you've spent your time doing karate, but I would rather watch wushu competitions. I was really looking forward to karate this year. I don't practice any of the TKD, Karate, etc martial arts; I'm a Judo, BJJ, Greco Roman guy, but I've always held Karate in high regard, because in the 90's Karate was really hardcore, I mean look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKdOYPQOHmE sure it's not MMA levels of hardcore, but it doesn't have to be. The kumite competitors, at least in their majority, just felt like normal people. Unlike Judo and wrestling, where they feel like physical specimens. It was just underwhelming.
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Stupid question: Outside of the specific context of it being a thing within certain martial arts, are there any real benefits to conditioning your hands outside of bag work, sparring, or general calisthenics. I'm specifically thinking of things like "bare knuckle training" or "iron fist" where you're continously hitting things to "toughen" your hands. On the one hand, sure, maybe that works, but on the other hand it looks like a lot of mystical woo, bravado, and a good way to gently caress up your hands. Googling gives me more articles trying to defend it, but my skepticism abounds.
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I don't think that's stupid and I'm skeptical too. I think the way it goes is to purposely create micro-fractures and the "healed" bone is thicker and stronger. I haven't read it exhaustively but I certainly haven't found anything that definitively says it does, so it's probably safer to lean towards the negative. I think if was a positive, legit material backing it up would be easier to find. Here is a fairly large peer-reviewed paper that the conclusion seems to be micro-fracture infill helps with causing more damage but nothing about increasing strength. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1571152/ Might be worthwhile digging through any papers that cite it for further info? e: Here is a short bite from McGill. Basically, no, other than maybe a window in the repair when a calcium callus forms. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/did-you-know/broken-bones-grow-back-stronger-sort quote:During the reparative phase a mineral deposit at the site of the break is formed called a callus. This calcium collection is really strong, so, while the bone is healing there is a period when the break site is stronger than it ever has been. But, the rest of the bone surrounding the break site actually demineralizes because of inactivity (since you’re probably in a cast). So the bone overall weakens during the healing process. slidebite fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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I think there's something to be said about deadening the nerves in your knuckle/shin skin, but that will happen naturally enough with enough time on a hard heavy bag.
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It's the same logic as "being punched in the head makes your chin better."
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I can't imagine it's anything but TMA myth/lore that if you replicated today you would regret. And, I say this as someone who believes sitting in heel hooks makes your tendons stronger for sitting in more heel hooks.
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Yeah it's TMA nonsense and orientalist woo, all of it very  There are people who claim that the Janissaries would slap marble slabs to make their hands like iron, and then they could slap and kill horses. I've never seen an iron hand story like that which didn't also require a total misunderstanding of the basic physics of momentum and power.
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My old soke had done that to his hands. He was from Okinawa but spent a lot of time in 70s/80s Hollywood, so maybe got into the woo post Japan. It feels a little like he was buying his own BS and/or playing to what was expected there. Motherfucker had super hard, gnarly loving hands. He also couldn't close his fists properly, so. Not really a thing he recommended to his students.
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Well, after a year+ off from kendo, I can tell you getting hit on the wrist now hurts again, so there's that  . (Although after a month or so back, I'm already getting used to it again).
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Not getting into the conditioning debate on either side, but I did read an interesting essay written by one of Sifu Kwong Wing Lam’s students for Sifu’s book on iron palm. The author was a concert pianist by profession and was hesitant about doing martial hand conditioning but Sifu Wing Lam encouraged him saying if he did it as taught he’d be perfectly fine. Long story short after going through the training he said not only could he break better but his hands, especially his fingers, were actually more sensitive using the piano. Anecdote /= evidence but that’s not the point, I found his account incredibly interesting from the perspective of the trust this man had in his Sifu and am curious if there could be hand condition methods that would increase sensitivity in highly dexterous situations rather than destroy the area being trained.
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Nothing is worse than taking time off grappling, then getting inner bicep bruises the first time you go back.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:am curious if there could be hand condition methods that would increase sensitivity in highly dexterous situations rather than destroy the area being trained. Maybe stuff like contact juggling and sleight of hand.
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kimbo305 posted:Maybe stuff like contact juggling and sleight of hand. Lockpicking and massage are good for sensitivity. Both require you to learn to 'see' by touch.
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VulgarandStupid posted:Nothing is worse than taking time off grappling, then getting inner bicep bruises the first time you go back. feel better friend, I just had my knee ligaments shredded doing a sick calf slicer back take. I can't walk and I can't get an MRI till like September 1st.
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kimbo305 posted:Maybe stuff like contact juggling and sleight of hand. For years I wore motorcycle gloves and got noticeably better at using house or bike keys or fastening my helmet while wearing them. Novice or occasional riders would always take their gloves off if they had to do anything like that, but I, while still worse than with no gloves, could "feel" through the gloves well enough to make do.
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gay for gacha posted:feel better friend, I just had my knee ligaments shredded doing a sick calf slicer back take. I can't walk and I can't get an MRI till like September 1st. 
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Took a reverse hook kick to the head in sparring today by a virtual physical clone of me... 5'11 200+lb dude. First time in a while I've had my bell rung. Did not go down but had to walk it off. I remember looking at my blue gloves... and they looked green. I was in a group of heavyweights and all were bb+ except me. I should learn to quit blocking with my head lol Interestingly enough, I have an appt with a concussion specialist tomorrow about my vertigo. Good timing!
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Son and I tested and passed for green belt this weekend. Live sparring starts next week, so I'm 100% sure I'll have some getting my bell rung stories soon enough.
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No concussion - so yay me I guess? I do have a tentative diagnosis though, not standard vertigo. The good news is it should be treatable and they've given me some totally different physio to try at home.EdsTeioh posted:Son and I tested and passed for green belt this weekend. Live sparring starts next week, so I'm 100% sure I'll have some getting my bell rung stories soon enough. Hopefully you won't get your bell rung for a while yet, but I'm positive you'll get some good bruises. We have a rule with sparring at our club, and I think it's pretty universal regardless of discipline, the lower belt generally dictates the match. That doesn't mean that accidents can't happen or a lower belt can't push hard and illicit a stronger response from the senior, but senior on junior injuries are actually pretty rare, for us at least. I think my broken rib as a (coincidentally) green belt was about as serious as we've had... actually it was from the same buddy who smoked me last night LOL. Black stripes are probably the most liable to get injured because you're basically sparring at a 1st dan level by that stage and pretty much always pushing hard if you're going against a 1-dan or greater..... Kind of like loving around and finding out. That said, and as a side bar, reverse hook kicks in particular (or spinning hook kicks as they are often called) can be difficult to pull at the last second if you need to. You lose your eyes on the target for that fraction of a second as you have to whip your head around to the other side and your momentum is already unleashed. We don't even teach it until green, but even then, unless it's a really talented person probably won't be broken out in sparring for a while. It's not a super fast kick unless you are talented or if you catch someone flat footed or they really telegraph. But if it connects it can be absolutely devastating knock out kick, especially if it's a straight legged kick and connect with the back of the heel. We actually had a young member testing for his Jr black belt (14-16 years old) a few years ago and he received one during sparring for his testing. Knocked him out cold and got a concussion for his trouble. He only trained a couple times after that and decided not to finish his test at a later date at risk of getting another hit so we lost him. Too bad, kid had a tremendous amount of natural ability and a great personality. E: didn't you just get your yellow in spring? That's warp speed for promotion. Do you do stripes between belts? Yellow to green for us is something like a year-ish on average. slidebite fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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slidebite posted:No concussion - so yay me I guess? I do have a tentative diagnosis though, not standard vertigo. The good news is it should be treatable and they've given me some totally different physio to try at home. Was your diagnosis based on some pathology, or just assessment/physical testing?
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