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qirex posted:the victorians were petty degenerates, why do we make children read so much of their literature empire poo poo i guess we didnt read any of that in school here instead, we have the modern breakthrough with some actual good stuff (esp Herman Bang is fantastic) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Breakthrough
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I had an actually good hs english teacher who had us read a lot of really good stuff [crime & punishment, heart of darkness, waiting for godot, the stranger] in addition to all the usual dead british guys which was nice but probably pretty rare in the usa
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Jul 23, 2021 18:00
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the only thing i remember appreciating in high school english was Raymond Carver's Cathedral, and that put me onto Carver, who's my favorite author to this day
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Jul 23, 2021 18:03
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qirex posted:the victorians were petty degenerates, why do we make children read so much of their literature being public domain helps
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Jul 23, 2021 18:03
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The best book I read in High School was Tortilla Curtain, because it got me out of having to read Grapes of Wrath.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:19
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you guys actually got to read real books? my school was all lovely 80s paperbacks about "issues". we had to read dozens of the things, but the only ones i remember were one about a homeless boy with some stolen money (also he's dyslexic but it's only mentioned maybe twice in passing when the plot needs it), and one about an indian family in the uk and the entire thing is just repeatedly hitting you over the head with the teenage daughter's angst at having to decide between the modern western life her friends have and the repressed subservient one her parents expect also the only shakespeare we did was loving Julius Caeser because the english teacher was bored of doing all the good ones.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:35
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Sweevo posted:you guys actually got to read real books? my school was all lovely 80s paperbacks about "issues". we had to read dozens of the things, but the only ones i remember were one about a homeless boy with some stolen money (also he's dyslexic but it's only mentioned maybe twice in passing when the plot needs it), and one about an indian family in the uk and the entire thing is just repeatedly hitting you over the head with the teenage daughter's angst at having to decide between the modern western life her friends have and the repressed subservient one her parents expect it's true most fiction doesn't try and tackle the issues that you encounter in modern life
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Jul 23, 2021 18:40
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pointsofdata posted:it's true most fiction doesn't try and tackle the issues that you encounter in modern life also in the usa almost anything that deals with modern issues gets banned by the school board because either it describes something bad or describes something bad as bad depending on which part of the country it is. either the book is banned because it has a racist character and we cant expose our children to that or the book is banned because it is unfair to the racist character and we cant expose our children to that
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Jul 23, 2021 18:47
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lament.cfg posted:the only thing i remember appreciating in high school english was Raymond Carver's Cathedral, and that put me onto Carver, who's my favorite author to this day Carver's great, wish we had read him at school. I took a look at the english gcse list and there's some good stuff there, although the modern prose list is all over the place. lol at The History Boys being an option. https://schoolreadinglist.co.uk/tag/gcse/
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Jul 23, 2021 18:48
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the worst things i remember having to read in school were silas marner and excerpts from walden. both were litterrally unreadable trash
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Jul 23, 2021 18:53
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Trabisnikof posted:also in the usa almost anything that deals with modern issues gets banned by the school board because either it describes something bad or describes something bad as bad depending on which part of the country it is. i think the most "controversial" we stuff i read in the uk was some steinbeck. Which was actually a really good choice because it's very approachable and readable, but is absolutely full of things to discuss.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:57
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Shaggar posted:the worst things i remember having to read in school were silas marner and excerpts from walden. both were litterrally unreadable trash i also did not enjoy silas marner.should have left that for when students were older
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Jul 23, 2021 18:58
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thoreau was a huge fart huffer and walden pond is literally a mile away from the center of Concord, MA. in his "life in the woods" he would walk down the road to have breakfast with his other fart huffing writer friends several times a week
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Shaggar posted:the worst things i remember having to read in school were silas marner and excerpts from walden. both were litterrally unreadable trash I remember waking up suddenly with my forehead plastered into Walden, three or four pages beyond the last thing I could recall reading.
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Jul 23, 2021 19:00
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didnt thoreau do his laundry at his moms house when he was roughing it
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Jonny 290 posted:didnt thoreau do his laundry at his moms house when he was roughing it
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Jul 23, 2021 19:13
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pointsofdata posted:it's true most fiction doesn't try and tackle the issues that you encounter in modern life oh these were not good books, these were the educational equivalent of trashy airport novels. you can't really have a discussion about character motivation or layers of meaning when every character literally tells you exactly what they are thinking on every page. "ok class, on page 98 kathy says 'i wish i hadn't had sex when i was 15, then i wouldn't be pregnant!'. what do you think this means?" pointsofdata posted:I took a look at the english gcse list and there's some good stuff there, although the modern prose list is all over the place. lol at The History Boys being an option. its good now, but in the early 90s GCSEs had only replaced O-Levels a few years earlier, and the gcse syllabus was still a bit directionless.
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Jonny 290 posted:didnt thoreau do his laundry at his moms house when he was roughing it 
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Jul 23, 2021 19:18
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i sometimes bring laundry if i visit the folks for a couple days cause why not do it at their place, itd be silly to leave it at home & also i wanna wear that shirt tomorrow so i need to get that started e: to be clear, i actually do the laundry myself, just at their house instead of at home
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Jul 23, 2021 19:22
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lol loving thoreau so full of himself, i had to read a bunch of his stuff for an honors seminar tbh if he were alive today he'd 100% be a stoner that lived in a "tiny house" he parked in someone's backyard
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Jul 23, 2021 19:29
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on the emily dickinson appletv show she goes to meet thoreau at one point he's played by john mulaney and he's a giant rear end in a top hat haveblue fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jul 23, 2021 |
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Jul 23, 2021 19:31
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Of course not. She came and got it from him, because loving hmbol
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Jul 23, 2021 19:32
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haveblue posted:on the emily dickinson tv show she goes to meet thoreau at one point this is perfect casting lol
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Jul 23, 2021 19:33
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haveblue posted:on the emily dickinson appletv show she goes to meet thoreau at one point hilarious i watched the first half of s1 and really enjoyed it, i'll have to catch up
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Jul 23, 2021 19:35
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MrQueasy posted:The best book I read in High School was Tortilla Curtain, because it got me out of having to read Grapes of Wrath. we read of mice and men which was pretty good with a real depressing fuckin' ending we also read on the beach which was humanity grappling with the legacy and inevitability of extinction due to the use of nuclear weapons in a large scale war i guess a lot of our books were either dire, a study in hubris, or about societal flaws so they were decent thinkers if the reader would engage with them on that level
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Agile Vector posted:we also read on the beach which was humanity grappling with the legacy and inevitability of extinction due to the use of nuclear weapons in a large scale war i read this in fifth grade because it was in my classroom for some reason and it kinda hosed me up in re nuclear war for a while lol
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Jul 23, 2021 19:42
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Sagebrush posted:thoreau was a huge fart huffer and walden pond is literally a mile away from the center of Concord, MA. in his "life in the woods" he would walk down the road to have breakfast with his other fart huffing writer friends several times a week I didn't realize this originally in school. in fo4 they stuck his cable at a scale distance from the city center and i roll my eyes when I checked and found out it's really that close
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Jul 23, 2021 19:46
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i wonder if theyre still teaching grapes of wrath in 2021.
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Jonny 290 posted:i wonder if theyre still teaching grapes of wrath in 2021. i have a feeling they dont
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Agile Vector posted:we read of mice and men which was pretty good with a real depressing fuckin' ending Same... I remember enjoying Catch-22, Brave New World, 1984, 12th Night, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, and Emerson's Invisible Man in HS. I still hate Heart of Darkness, though... mainly because I had to read it three times throughout high school and college due to English and Sociology/History crossovers. More dishonorable mentions: Great Gatsby, Catcher in the Rye, Walden
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mediaphage posted:i read this in fifth grade because it was in my classroom for some reason and it kinda hosed me up in re nuclear war for a while lol drat, yeah that's be a rough one at that age! i think it was in a set of reading one summer and it stuck with me for a long time guliver's travels was in that set, too, and all that left me with was incredible boredom after reading about the end of humanity
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MrQueasy posted:Emerson's Invisible Man That's incredibly cool that you all read invisible man. Our teacher tried to cover Native Son by Richard Wright but got turned down by the department. She recommended that we all read it on our own time. I didn't get to read it until I was much older but it's a great book.
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She also managed to convince the department that we should read east of eden instead of 1984. Pretty cool teacher in hindsight.
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Jul 23, 2021 20:02
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oh we also read nectar in a sieve and kaffir boy, as well as night. i think there was a stint of autobiographies and historic fiction for my sophomore year
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Jul 23, 2021 20:07
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AnimeIsTrash posted:She also managed to convince the department that we could read east of eden instead of 1984. Pretty cool teacher in hindsight. cool teachers are great also boy i cant imagine dealing with lovely teens. i remember one time i used "revoluting" when i meant "revolving" for some english thing (i remember being really proud for figuring out that a planet's motion is a revolution, something like that) & when my teacher corrected me i was a lovely teen and rolled my eyes and he was like hey im just trying to teach you man, lol
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Jul 23, 2021 20:08
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gently caress, lmao
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Jul 23, 2021 20:17
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forgot to say this made me laugh, a good post
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Jul 23, 2021 20:22
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Jonny 290 posted:i wonder if theyre still teaching grapes of wrath in 2021. my kids had to read Of Mice & Men but not Grapes o' Wrath
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Carthag Tuek posted:also boy i cant imagine dealing with lovely teens. i remember one time i used "revoluting" when i meant "revolving" for some english thing (i remember being really proud for figuring out that a planet's motion is a revolution, something like that) & when my teacher corrected me i was a lovely teen and rolled my eyes and he was like hey im just trying to teach you man, lol  , and also young adults. Every now and then i'll talk with some of the younger coworkers in our department and go why don't these people listen to me????? Then I remember that when I was much younger I didn't listen either.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:
my sisters partner is finalizing his teaching degree, and i think he might do well. hes extremely good at language and history stuff, and hes still young enough to get kids i think big change too, like 5-10 years ago he was kindof a dumbass re like gamergate & jordan peterson type poo poo but hes really grown up imo. tbh i was worried for a while but now im real into this guy teaching our youngins
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