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Guavanaut posted:It's pretty funny when they come out with this "with all this gender going around, what would happen with [antiquated dilemma]" and the answer is just like "a birth certificate, as a Crown document, supersedes any of your 'basic biology' for purposes of law" or "with gay marriage, what would happen if the king married a man, would we have two kings?" and the answer is just "no the one in line would be king and his husband would be Prince Consort, that's been the case for centuries" because all these old rear end institutions that predate the modern state have contingencies for things far more unusual than whatever sex/gender thing the Mail is mad about this week. I mean when you've had to deal with the proper line of succession for someone who is simultaneously the grandson, nephew-by-marriage and second cousin of the King and half-brother of the Queen things like gender and same-sex marriage are barely a speed bump.
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Me banging on the table yelling "GAVELKIND, GAVELKIND, GAVELKIND!"
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Azza Bamboo posted:The USSR was Mate, the proposed NATO response to a Soviet invasion of Europe in the 1950s was 'instantly nukes!' precisely because it was so outmatched in ground forces. That's all of NATO, not just America on its tod. These are, you know, the same ground forces that obliterated the Nazis a decade earlier. That certainly wasn't a bluff. I literally do not understand where you're getting 'putting all of its eggs in the nuke basket' from, that's more America earlier on if anything, the USSR always had a massive army. I'm not sure how being able to obliterate the entire planet is 'coming short of the US' either, to be honest. The US simply wasnt a unipolar hegemonic power in the Cold War. Nobody at the time thought so, nobody but you thinks so today. You don't get a Cuban Missile Crisis in situations where the US can just effortlessly overpower anyone else. As for constant expansionist wars...um...where, post WW2? Afghanistan I'll give you maybe, but then the US was in Vietnam too. Edit: oh, you were talking about the US being able to compel France to hand over gear in World War 1 via war debts. Um. The US absolutely did not enter World War 1 with an attitude of 'oy France give us all your gear or we'll bankrupt you', that's just a ludicrous take. Settling the debts was a postwar thing, in turn in theory based on Germany repaying war debts to France - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellon%E2%80%93Berenger_Agreement Also, when I say 'anything bigger than a rifle' I mean it. Tanks, for one thing. Also this godawful piece of poo poo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat - the US couldn't even supply enough light machine guns for its expeditionary force. Global dominance this really is not. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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It's especially pointless as the Succession to the Crown Act 2013 altered the rules to remove gender bias. From William and Harry's kids on, primogeniture is absolute.
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Jul 24, 2021 18:25
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For the monarchy, but the House of Lords voted that didn't apply to baronetcies and so on. In the few cases where it did come up, the verdicts were shrouded in secrecy, but tended towards trans men being men, but the Gender Recognition Act put a formal stop to that because the Lords again.
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Jedit posted:It's especially pointless as the Succession to the Crown Act 2013 altered the rules to remove gender bias. From William and Harry's kids on, primogeniture is absolute. That only applies to royal succeson though right? I remember multiple whining articles in papers from the children of barons and peers and whatnot complaining about its totally unfair that they dont get all the titles that they want.
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feedmegin posted:Edit: oh, you were talking about the US being able to compel France to hand over gear in World War 1 via war debts. Um. The US absolutely did not enter World War 1 with an attitude of 'oy France give us all your gear or we'll bankrupt you', that's just a ludicrous take. Settling the debts was a postwar thing, in turn in theory based on Germany repaying war debts to France - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellon%E2%80%93Berenger_Agreement Important to note that one of the major factors for the US entering the war was the fact that most of Wall Street had been lending so much money to the allies that the allies losing the war was a disastrous proposition for US capital, a point that was not lost on Woodrow Wilson who thought that the US getting involved was "a crime against civilisation". France and Britain were absolutely dependent on US finance to continue the war though and likely would have had to surrender had the USA pulled it's money out.
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Jul 24, 2021 18:55
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MikeCrotch posted:France and Britain were absolutely dependent on US finance to continue the war though and likely would have had to surrender had the USA pulled it's money out. During the war? If the US had done that they'd both have just stuck two fingers up at the US and kept going til the war was won or lost, what's the US going to do, come over and repo poo poo? Sovereign nation states with their own currencies have options not open to us private citizens.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:That only applies to royal succeson though right? I remember multiple whining articles in papers from the children of barons and peers and whatnot complaining about its totally unfair that they dont get all the titles that they want. If they wanted titles then they should've taken a page out of Game of Thrones/Imperial China and made sure they were the only people left eligible for them.
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Or forcedly regenderize all your competitors. Fire and ROGD by JRR Rowling.
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There are people out there that are completely baffled by trans and non binary people, as if the whole world has left them behind. The only thing that gives me that feeling is the fact that Tom Hardy was at Barry Island today, I don't understand that at all.
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Guavanaut posted:Or forcedly regenderize all your competitors. Ah, the Imperial China method, with a sharp knife and hot poker.
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It's JKR so I assume the big bad would trans all the sons of the other noble houses by supporting self-ID and talking about gender on the internet, and will only be stopped by a radical feminist wizard abolishing As a work of fantasy I assume her "actual real transsexual friend who doesn't think she said anything wrong" will be in it too. e: Just remembered the murderer who wears a burka and carries a halal takeaway in one of her actual terrible books lmao Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Jul 24, 2021 20:02
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https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1416297827169456130?s=19 apparently they were told to leave and asked to sign their absence off as a 'conflict of interest.'
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Jul 24, 2021 20:09
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1416297827169456130?s=19 For clarification, that's a Lib Dem council with a Labour opposition. Two disabled councillors were asked to leave - one from each party. The Lib Dems actually threw one of their own disabled councillors under the bus for this.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1416297827169456130?s=19
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feedmegin posted:During the war? If the US had done that they'd both have just stuck two fingers up at the US and kept going til the war was won or lost, what's the US going to do, come over and repo poo poo? Sovereign nation states with their own currencies have options not open to us private citizens. The UK (and France) were buying *enormous* quantities of war materiel from the USA during the war, refusal to pay US creditors would have caused immense practical problems for the Allied war effort if that pipeline were to dry up. Not to mention that by 1916 the number 1 foreign policy agenda for the Allies was to get the US involved in the war directly, something the US was very unlikely to do if the UK openly refused to pay owed money. As it was the re-election of Wilson in 1916 was thought to be a disaster for the Allied war effort since as I mentioned he was steadfast in his refusal to have the US enter the war - in the end the Germans made an enormous strategic blunder and forced his hand. It's possible the financial threat of the Allies losing might have forced his hand anyway, but that's gay black Hitler territory. It is true that the Allies used the amount of money they owed as a bargaining chip, essentially daring the American government not to back them due to the fact that American capital was neck deep in the war effort. The diplomatic situation was very fraught though and I don't think open Allied reneging on debts would have gone down well at all. In the end the debts got reneged on anyway, since after the war Congress demanded payment in full on all war debts despite the fact Germany couldn't keep up with reparations which in turn meant the Allies servicing their debt to America was very difficult. This is why the UK had to go through the rigmarole of Lend/Lease at the start of WWII - they were officially defaulted debtors to the US government and so could not legally be lent money directly.
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ONE WEIRD TRICK to get around primogeniture! Heraldists HATE it! Seriously though, didn’t this get dealt with once the rules for the royals succession got changed?
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Flayer posted:What kind of hosed up logic is that. Policies in general will affect everyone.
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feedmegin posted:The US simply wasnt a unipolar hegemonic power in the Cold War. I think you're reading positions in my words that aren't in my words. I never argued this. I said the US had a position of pre eminence. That's not unilateral dominance, but to say that the balance of power lied in their favour. I never argued that the US could wipe out Russia on its own or "effortlessly" overpower anyone. The US had its friends by the balls, though, and that gave them the balance of power. Turn it on its head: if America was so weak, why would anyone in Realpolitik ridden Europe give a flying gently caress about joining a League of Nations, NATO or the UN? The answer is that America had the west's manufacturing, their debt, and ultimately their rear end. Sure, the US's own forces were a third of that of Britain immediately after the first world war and poorly equipped. That was still enough, it seems, to get everyone reading from Wilson's insane hymn sheet instead of something along Churchill's lines. What I am not arguing is some common misconceptions like "the US won the second world war on its own" the contribution of the USSR was crucial, and superior to the US contribution. I feel I have to say that because I wonder what you're thinking that I'm thinking. I'm thinking the US had the closest thing to a deciding position on the west's alliance and that the aggregate was capable of defeating the USSR. Ergo the US had effective pre eminence. feedmegin posted:I literally do not understand where you're getting 'putting all of its eggs in the nuke basket' from Kruschev's plans. If his ground war was so great why did he put all his military resources in the nuke basket? You could spin that as a response to NATO's scorched earth planning, but in that scenario the argument maybe becomes "the USSR's ground forces are irrelevant, then, if the US has the world's share of deliverable doomsday devices." That argument is then in favor of US military pre eminence during Kruschev's era. feedmegin posted:If anything, the USSR always had a massive army. The USSR had a massive army, for the same reason as the empire (and other constitutions, albeit shortlived) it succeeded: its conquered peoples were unhappy bedfellows. Ukraine, the Baltics, Georgia, Azerbaijan; they all tried to get their hands on their own governments at some point. That's what I mean when I say that, while it's impressive numerically, the USSR army has the disadvantage of not being an army you can entirely or even majority mobilise: the USSR needed garrisons against its internal as well as external enemies. The US had fewer troops, but they could put them where they wanted them without thinking "oh but is Texas going to riot tomorrow?" feedmegin posted:You don't get a Cuban Missile Crisis in situations where the US can just effortlessly overpower anyone else. You get the Cuban missile crisis in situations where the new president Kennedy struggles to get a grip on Laos, Berlin, and the bay of pigs through his own handwringing and botching, while Kruschev plays big dick chicken and bluffs his way to seeming in charge. Again "effortlessly overpower anyone" is not what I mean by "military pre eminence" you're putting words in my mouth and I'm struggling to understand what you think that I think. I do think, however, that Kennedy's restraint was more of a personal ideology than a reflection of the geopolitical state, and the fact that he had to wrestle his approach to war out of his own advisors is evidence of that. It's not a popular argument, given that modern commentators will look at Kennedy as not particularly restrained because "he did bay of pigs and vietnam" but those arguments neglect that the people around him at the time were saying Laos before Vietnam and were saying put US troops in the Bay of Pigs invasion, not just Cuban exiles in outdated US planes. Kennedy was no pacifist, but he was more timid than his country could well have been at the time. Kennedy's timidity is no reflection on the balance of power at that time. Nor is Kruschev looking at Kennedy's weak rear end diplomacy as an opportunity to make a big dick move. NB: Kennedy's timidity and ability to completely ignore his own war council was ultimately a good thing in the way it resolved the missile crisis: by removing nukes from Turkey as well as Cuba. So to boil down my questions What are you thinking that I am thinking? Do you think the Entente was in a position to handle the Kaiser on its own? Do you think Europe was able to act freely and with power in situations without US military help, like say when France had a go at Vietnam or when the UK and France had a go at Suez? I'm not denying the US was just as much trying to make its own dominoes fall, what with Korea and the way they handled Egypt and Israel. The difference between the US and Russia, however, is that the United States wasn't largely or even slightly comprised of places it had to garrison for fear of dissent. Russia in its various forms, though mainly an empire and a soviet union, had much more watching its own back to do. Also, even if you're right and pre eminence begins in 91, China's activities still represent a fundamental change to that balance of power. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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that's a lot of words to say Strong Britain: Great Nation
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Britain was never strong or great. Our dogged Libertarianism caused us to cheap out on the military every time, reducing it to a colonial police force whenever we weren't having to recruit for world wars. If Russia was bluffing, at least it had some cards in its hand. Britain, pretending to be at the table and have cards, somehow convinced the US that it could single handedly police allied treaties. Of course, Czechoslovakia got to see just how weak Britain always was.
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https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1418932718847541248?s=21 This is your brain on Rand.
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As we learn to live with, rather than cower from, brainworms.
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My theory is that everyone in government who has 'recovered' from covid has been given the good steroids and feel amazing, and are refusing to come off them when it's time. Meaning they're going to have an incredible 5 years and then their hearts will explode.
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Was this posted? If it was, it probably deserves to be posted again. https://twitter.com/sbattrawden/status/1418984363304394762 I'm lost for words.... Bobby Deluxe posted:....Meaning they're going to have an incredible 5 years and then their hearts will explode. We're going to have to wait that long? Awww..... 
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Bobby Deluxe posted:My theory is that everyone in government who has 'recovered' from covid has been given the good steroids and feel amazing, and are refusing to come off them when it's time. Meaning they're going to have an incredible 5 years and then their hearts will explode.
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Anyone know what the deal is with the Olympics supposedly killing a load of Japanese people? Other than just the mass gatherings causing more covid? Is it just that?
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Mebh posted:Anyone know what the deal is with the Olympics supposedly killing a load of Japanese people? Other than just the mass gatherings causing more covid? Is it just that? What the gently caress do you think it is?!
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Well when the Olympics came to Britain they mounted anti-aircraft guns on apartment buildings and rounded up the local cyclists before the opening ceremony, so nothing seems too outlandish for the IOC.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Dude, chill out. Not a dude, and gently caress you
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Brand enforcement. If you have anything not on the official list of brand sponsors within 10 miles of any of the grounds, instantdeath and shame on your family for 5 generations.
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josh04 posted:Well when the Olympics came to Britain they mounted anti-aircraft guns on apartment buildings and rounded up the local cyclists before the opening ceremony, so nothing seems too outlandish for the IOC. Did they put the cyclists in front of the AA guns and let rip?
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I'm sitting at 10 to midnight in a still warm living room with a fan a foot away from my face listening to the constant cries of drunk idiots outside my window i can't help but wish for another lockdown because I was generally at my happiest when saturday nights were peaceful
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fuctifino posted:Was this posted? If it was, it probably deserves to be posted again. loving hell, i don't even know what's worse: the speaker being a shameless grifter, or the speaker truly believing in what they're spouting this poo poo is damaging too, like, life-altering - both for the people in the crowd and whoever they will come in contact with all this horrific bullshit. i've already had to deal with a few of these idiots in my line of work (NHS, admin stuff, sometimes people-facing), and the amount of poo poo they stir and the amount of harm can cause to themselves, their loved ones and the medical personnel involved is kind of scary to see, to be honest (only emotional harm thus far in my experience, thank gently caress, but who knows what the grifters can stir up next)
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Remember that spitting image exists? https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1418937324256247820 
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I'm sitting at 10 to midnight in a still warm living room with a fan a foot away from my face listening to the constant cries of drunk idiots outside my window i can't help but wish for another lockdown because I was generally at my happiest when saturday nights were peaceful We are brothers! The drunk gently caress across the street is out on his doorstep going 'AHOO!' to any other drunk gently caress that walks past.
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OwlFancier posted:Remember that spitting image exists? lol
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fuctifino posted:I'm lost for words....
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