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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I mean, he said it in his blog not long after Dances came out so GRRM does not tell the truth especially when he said it 10 years ago. There’s also a chance he may have been referring to the outline that someone hunted down and found in a university archive a couple years ago which was from the early 90s for a trilogy and is almost unrecognizable from the current plot.
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moosecow333 posted:I’m of the opinion that he’s actually finished all the books but he’s gonna release them right when he dies. Ah, the Copernicus approach
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As much as GoT the TV show sucks, and the books are an unfinished failure, I was just recently reminded there's some good stuff in this series. I wandered into a comic book store drunk the other day and against my better judgement bought the World of Ice and Fire, the lore book. As far as lore books go, it's a fun read - it's clever to wrap it as a Westerosi maester writing based on the information they have, making all the text suspect. You're left kind of puzzling the truth on your own from between the lines. Reading that inspired me to reread the actual books for the first time in ten years, and hey, they're pretty good. Up to the end of Storm of Swords, which is where I'll stop my reread. What I'm saying is they should do a reboot of the show.
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Jul 24, 2021 21:33
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I really don't know why he doesn't just hand all those preview chapters and whatever napkin scrawlings he has over to some no-name ghost writer, toss them a few thousand bucks and put something out. The franchise's name is mud already, what's the worst that could happen?
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Jul 24, 2021 21:44
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Asgerd posted:I really don't know why he doesn't just hand all those preview chapters and whatever napkin scrawlings he has over to some no-name ghost writer, toss them a few thousand bucks and put something out. The franchise's name is mud already, what's the worst that could happen? Because he has nothing
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Jul 24, 2021 22:03
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Asgerd posted:I really don't know why he doesn't just hand all those preview chapters and whatever napkin scrawlings he has over to some no-name ghost writer, toss them a few thousand bucks and put something out. The franchise's name is mud already, what's the worst that could happen? GRRM is so allergic to writing words that he only makes phone calls in lieu of writing a single line of text
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Jul 24, 2021 22:42
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It’s not that hard to start from the fact that every preview chapter he has revealed was something he wrote before ADWD was published and then come to the stark realization that if he’s indeed been writing over the last decade so so much of it has been rewriting endlessly as he keeps running into dead ends with his “I’m a gardener I don’t use outlines” approach.
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Jul 24, 2021 22:45
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Asgerd posted:I really don't know why he doesn't just hand all those preview chapters and whatever napkin scrawlings he has over to some no-name ghost writer, toss them a few thousand bucks and put something out. The franchise's name is mud already, what's the worst that could happen? It has been explicitly stated that this will not happen. Either GRRM finishes it or no one does.  Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s not that hard to start from the fact that every preview chapter he has revealed was something he wrote before ADWD was published and then come to the stark realization that if he’s indeed been writing over the last decade so so much of it has been rewriting endlessly as he keeps running into dead ends with his “I’m a gardener I don’t use outlines” approach. The funniest thing about Dances is that, in the end, he ended up chopping the last 500ish manuscript pages and saving them for Winds. So Dances could have come out a year or two earlier than it did and something like a third of the MS for Winds was finished before Dances was published. 
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Jul 24, 2021 22:52
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The best resolution to the series we can hope for is to leave the CK2 mod running for a few years and see what happens.
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Jul 25, 2021 03:14
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s not that hard to start from the fact that every preview chapter he has revealed was something he wrote before ADWD was published and then come to the stark realization that if he’s indeed been writing over the last decade so so much of it has been rewriting endlessly as he keeps running into dead ends with his “I’m a gardener I don’t use outlines” approach. This is likely it. His story is so messed up because he has to keep hacking up his books that consist of something like two dozen active POVs at the moment and he's got to figure out how to present those stories in a way that doesn't read like garbage. By this point, the POV characters with unresolved plots are Dany, Jon (I know, but he's likely coming back), Bran, Arya, Brienne, Sansa (both not mentioned in a while by the end of ADWD), Sam, Barristan, a bunch of Dornish people, Victarion, Cersei, Tyrion, Jamie, Theon, Stannis, and I'm sure I'm missing a few others. To even spin the wheels on all of those for one book is going to take a high chapter count, and trying to organize it would suck. It definitely felt like ADWD was supposed to go longer and by the end to have as many characters dead, resolved, or conjoining their plotlines as possible. "Gardening" sounds great until you've created a situation where you're trying to organically feel out a story that has spread out into dozens of POVs and thousands of pages that must be finished before the vague deadline of "before you collapse dead onto the keyboard of your old Wordstar." I think he deserves poo poo for lying (I bet 2022 will be the "best year for WoW progress yet") and for not adjusting his writing style and working with a co-writer all the while giving lectures telling people how to write. I have some sympathy for him as his reputation is in a really precarious position in his final years, but that's really where it starts and ends.
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Captain Splendid posted:The best resolution to the series we can hope for is to leave the CK2 mod running for a few years and see what happens. I hope the CK3 version comes out soon, I had so much fun with the CK2 mod.
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:This is likely it. His story is so messed up because he has to keep hacking up his books that consist of something like two dozen active POVs at the moment and he's got to figure out how to present those stories in a way that doesn't read like garbage. By this point, the POV characters with unresolved plots are Dany, Jon (I know, but he's likely coming back), Bran, Arya, Brienne, Sansa (both not mentioned in a while by the end of ADWD), Sam, Barristan, a bunch of Dornish people, Victarion, Cersei, Tyrion, Jamie, Theon, Stannis, and I'm sure I'm missing a few others. To even spin the wheels on all of those for one book is going to take a high chapter count, and trying to organize it would suck. It definitely felt like ADWD was supposed to go longer and by the end to have as many characters dead, resolved, or conjoining their plotlines as possible. He also seems terrified to give in and say that maybe he’d have an easier time writing if he allowed himself an 8th or even 9th book to fill out the series because it would basically be a straight up acknowledgment that he won’t live to finish it. Also there’s no guarantee that he’d be able to finally reign himself in and resist the temptation to continue to expand the story. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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Jul 25, 2021 05:29
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I'm glad GRRM just did the backstory for Elden Ring because he's really good at that and it takes less effort than finishing a bunch of books.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I'm glad GRRM just did the backstory for Elden Ring because he's really good at that and it takes less effort than finishing a bunch of books. It really is the perfect role for him.
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Jul 25, 2021 18:44
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He also seems terrified to give in and say that maybe he’d have an easier time writing if he allowed himself an 8th or even 9th book to fill out the series because it would basically be a straight up acknowledgment that he won’t live to finish it. Also there’s no guarantee that he’d be able to finally reign himself in and resist the temptation to continue to expand the story. I have to wonder why he couldn't have just, say, released smaller books. So many of his characters are so far apart geographically that unless he really pulls some narrative magic in bringing their stories together, it seems like he could just have a book that only involves one or two POV characters.
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Jul 27, 2021 21:20
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ITT: people still in the denial / bargaining stages. If he couldn't write a book when the entire world was shut down for a year with zero nerdcons to attend, zero book signings, no NFL preseason, nothing to do but hang out at home, it will never ever ever never never ever happen.
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regulargonzalez posted:ITT: people still in the denial / bargaining stages. GRRM has not published a complete book in 21 years. A Feast For Crows was 45% of what should have been A Dance With Dragons, and A Dance With Dragons was another 45% of what the whole book was supposed it because it was ripped out of GRRM's hands unfinished in a panic by his publisher in order to get something out the door so they wouldn't get bigfooted by the premiere of the show, leaving another ~10% still unfinished and to be shoved into The Winds of Winter. There will never be any more books. GRRM is not going to ride in a white horse and save everything. The show's ending is THE ending. Deal with it.
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HonorableTB posted:I agree that it's a lovely thing to do, it's just at the end of the day he's still written and published five books more than I have so I try to keep my feelings of disappointment in check That's actually pretty impressive on your part, ngl. What kind of books do you write?
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Wasabi the J posted:At the very least, it's plain deceptive to promise something you have no intention of finishing, and continuing to promise things you know to be a lie is just dickhead poo poo, y'know? Who did it worse: GRRM or Sufjan Stevens? GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Jul 28, 2021 10:32
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nine-gear crow posted:The show's ending is THE ending. Deal with it. I don't think GRRM is ever going to finish the books, no, but I'm betting someone is. The books will probably get an ending, written by some journeyman author citing "GRRM's story notes," to be released within a few years of GRRM's death to extremely middling reviews. I don't think the TV show is the only conclusion to this story we'll see. But I also don't think it'll matter much, and by the time it happens, pop culture will have moved on.
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Brian Sanderson will finish the books in a competent but unremarkable fashion
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PostNouveau posted:Brian Sanderson will finish the books in a competent but unremarkable fashion He’s repeatedly said he wouldn’t even if offered because it’s not his style. Anyway since GRRM doesn’t keep notes I’m not sure what any other author can do for the story if he drops dead.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He’s repeatedly said he wouldn’t even if offered because it’s not his style. Wheel of Time can't be the only time in history a new writer picked up something unfinished and finished it right? I mean, unless Martin's estate has the power to stop them I really don't think there's any reason why the Publisher wouldn't just put it in someone else's hands even if they have to go it completely down their own road without Martin's notes.
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Sanguinia posted:Wheel of Time can't be the only time in history a new writer picked up something unfinished and finished it right? I mean, unless Martin's estate has the power to stop them I really don't think there's any reason why the Publisher wouldn't just put it in someone else's hands even if they have to go it completely down their own road without Martin's notes. Tom Clancy, Michael Crichton, Clive Cussler, and James Patterson have all had other authors pick up their works and publish them under their names following their deaths, retirements, or incapacitation, or as part of the "Author Name As Brand" trend that's emerged of late as well. People have also tried to finish both the Canterbury Tales and The 1,001 Nights as well with varying degrees of success. No one is going to do that for GRRM. ASoIaF is long past its cultural sell-by date now. The show slammed a pitchfork through its semi-warm, still twitching corpse.
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nine-gear crow posted:No one is going to do that for GRRM. ASoIaF is long past its cultural sell-by date now. The show slammed a pitchfork through its semi-warm, still twitching corpse. I don't think that's true at all. For the mainstream mass media audience maybe, we'll see with the Targaryen show I suppose. But I really don't think that the show being a disaster dampened the desire of the book-buying audience to see the "real," ending whatsoever. I mean, there should be an easy piece of evidence on this one way or the other: what were the sales for Fire and Blood like? I presume good because the ASOIAF community was buzzing about it endlessly when it came out (granted, in many ways negatively, but that's not necessarily indicative of a willingness to not buy more). Granted it was just before Season 8, but if it was a success I hardly think one can categorize the book franchise as distinct from the show as "semi-warm, still twitching corpse." Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Its worse. Hound straight up goes "Sorry you got raped" and Sansa goes "NO, it was an important character growth moment for me" Yeah for real how did that line make it to the final cut  If there was any doubt left that D&D's Confederate pitch was gonna be a tactless, insensitive trainwreck, this line cleared it up. lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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lezard_valeth posted:Yeah for real how did that line make it to the final cut Screenplay by Dan Weiss and David Benioff. Executive producers Dan Weiss and David Benioff.
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lezard_valeth posted:Yeah for real how did that line make it to the final cut People rightly hated what they did to Sansa for shock value. Wasn't in the books. Caused a lot of people to stop watching. Thinkpieces were written. Then instead of rehabbing that somehow or just ignoring it, they decided, in their infinite wisdom, to double down and flip the bird at those who didn't like their child rape storyline by having that character say that she's glad it happened. gently caress off, D&D, from me and every rape survivor out there. Just, sincerely, gently caress off and don't make more things.
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It reminds me of the remake of ghost in the shell, where they reacted to the negative response of casting ScarJo by... adding a bit to the story where they double down and say "oh ScarJo is actually Asian deep down!"
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Sanguinia posted:Wheel of Time can't be the only time in history a new writer picked up something unfinished and finished it right? I mean, unless Martin's estate has the power to stop them I really don't think there's any reason why the Publisher wouldn't just put it in someone else's hands even if they have to go it completely down their own road without Martin's notes. They do. Why do so many people think genre fiction authors are property lmao. They aren't going to publish books without his permission, and they aren't going to claw back advances. He didn't sign a contract turning over the ownership of the books, just the right to publish them in a specific market. It might not be in contract at all anymore - he sold it as a trilogy! Although I do love the idea of his US publisher competing with every international, audio and ebook publisher to put out their own different sequels.
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Is Winds of Winter or the Pat Rothfuss finale going to come out first, and which will be cringier
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His estate would stop any unauthorised ending being published, but whether or not Martin wanted it his estate could, in exhange for money, authorise an "official" ending.
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His estate will release the ending when the Giants win the super bowl
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nine-gear crow posted:Tom Clancy, Michael Crichton, Clive Cussler, and James Patterson have all had other authors pick up their works and publish them under their names following their deaths, retirements, or incapacitation, or as part of the "Author Name As Brand" trend that's emerged of late as well. People have also tried to finish both the Canterbury Tales and The 1,001 Nights as well with varying degrees of success. You also have both Tolkien's and Herbert's sons continuing in their fathers' series; Tolkien with a particular reverence for his father's work, Herbert with a complete lack thereof.
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With the way machine learning research is going I think we will be able to read a good version of WoW/ADoS sometimes by 2060 and then this national nightmare will finally be over. Train the generator on GoT/CoK/SoS and the discriminator on plot opinions itt. I think this should work.
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GABA ghoul posted:With the way machine learning research is going I think we will be able to read a good version of WoW/ADoS sometimes by 2060 and then this national nightmare will finally be over. Train the generator on GoT/CoK/SoS and the discriminator on plot opinions itt. I think this should work.
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I don't know why people are so desperate for TWOW or ADOS, all you need to do is read my post history in this thread to see exactly what's going to happen.  If you'll excuse me, I need to go take my Prozac, because my brain is completely hosed thanks to OCD.
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The book is already written in the Library of Babel.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Is Winds of Winter or the Pat Rothfuss finale going to come out first, and which will be cringier I mean WoW has the advantage that the rest of the series isn't poo poo Unlike Rothfuss
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