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What do people think of Hurts? His ADP is all over the place where some places have him as QB20 and others as QB8. In a 10 team Superflex keeper league I have an option to keep either Stafford or Hurts as an early 4th round pick. I have them ranked fairly evenly, but I want to pick them both for different reasons: Stafford - A safe pick that should be reasonable value for his ADP and is unlikely to waste the draft pick Hurts - Play to win the league, not just have a solid team that will likely make it to the playoffs, with the risk that you might just end up in last place. Pretty much all of the top QBs are kept as keepers or will be almost guaranteed to be drafted before my first round pick, so effectively the top tier of QBs left are like Herbert, Stafford, Hurts, Burrow, and Tannehill.
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Stafford should be a top 5 QB this year. Hurts is a longshot. How in the world do you have them ranked evenly?
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I'd honestly go with Stafford if it's a keeper league. There's a non zero chance that Hurts isn't the starter anymore in 2022. edit: also this Ches Neckbeard posted:Stafford should be a top 5 QB this year. Hurts is a longshot. How in the world do you have them ranked evenly? That rams WR room is loaded and they're likely to be passing a bit more now with Akers out. VietCampo fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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Pain of Mind posted:What do people think of Hurts? His ADP is all over the place where some places have him as QB20 and others as QB8. In a 10 team Superflex keeper league I have an option to keep either Stafford or Hurts as an early 4th round pick. Hurts is being drafted as the obvious running QB later in the draft. Unfortunately, Philly looks like it's going to be a below average team, and Vegas gives them a 6.5 win total. I think Hurts will have to rely on below average accuracy to try and throw his way back into games late. I'd expect him to be more Jacoby Brissett then Lamar Jackson in that case. Not sure a HC change helps him much either.
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Stafford is the smart pick, Hurts is the lottery ticket. Like yea maybe he runs for 300 yards and a few tds and wows everyone with his arm as well, but… probably not.
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Pain of Mind posted:What do people think of Hurts? His ADP is all over the place where some places have him as QB20 and others as QB8. In a 10 team Superflex keeper league I have an option to keep either Stafford or Hurts as an early 4th round pick. I have them ranked fairly evenly, but I want to pick them both for different reasons: Jesus, keep Stafford. He's a vet who just upgraded his entire receiving core and coaching staff. Hurts is a fantasy asset who has nobody to throw to and might get benched. I literally got up from caregiving and went to my posting comp to tell you this. Those of you who know how busy my evenings are will know: that's something important. 1000/1000 times: Keep stafford in the fourth in SF
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Stafford should be a top 5 QB this year. Hurts is a longshot. How in the world do you have them ranked evenly? Me ranking them equally is already nudging the scale toward Stafford based on ADPs since every projection has Hurts a bit higher, that is part of why I was asking, if there was something I was missing with Hurts because on paper Stafford seems a bit "cleaner" of a pick but I am second guessing it since almost every "professional" has a different opinion. I cannot find a football site that has Stafford ranked above Hurts. The only thing I can think of is that for 1 QB leagues you can take a bit more risk since there are more QBs available as a backup if a gamble does not work out (aka Hurts), while for a 2QB league you do not really have that luxury, but even for those few 2 QB ADPs he still tends to be a little ahead. QB rankings: Yahoo - Hurts 7, Stafford 12 ESPN - Hurts 10, Stafford 13 FFToday - Hurts 11, Stafford 15 Beersheets - Hurts 10, Stafford 13 Footballguys - Hurts 11, Stafford 13 Fantrax - Hurts 9, Stafford 12 CBS - Hurts 11, Stafford 17 Draftsharks - Hurts 10, Stafford 11 FantasyPros expert aggregate - Hurts 9, Stafford 12 2QB ADP: FantasyPros - Hurts 10, Stafford 12 Fantasy Football Calculator - Hurts 10, Stafford 11 Fantasy Data - Hurts 10, Stafford 11 Thanks for all of the feedback people, was leaning Stafford but I thought I might have been missing something. Edit: Went through and added a few more things, I have not even heard of some of these sites. I am not cherry picking, I just have not yet found one that has Stafford higher. Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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Stafford is definitely the safer pick here but I think people are underestimating how difficult the path is for him to be a Top 5 QB as a pocket passer. Brady had 43 TDs last year and threw for 4600 yards; he was still only QB #7. I think Stafford's ceiling is similarly capped. The biggest risk factor for Hurts is the Eagles souring on him by the end of the season but he will definitely produce for fantasy with his legs. He simply trusts his legs more than his arm and will take off from the pocket rather than progress through his reads. Likening him to Jacoby Brissett just isn't accurate. Brissett's highest rushing yards in a game is 48 from what I am gathering from PFR. Hurts had 106, 63, 69, and 34 rushing yards in his four starts last year (and the 34 yard game came with 2 rushing TDs). His week 15 performance (338/3 passing, 63/1 rushing) had him as QB1 or QB2 on the week depending on league scoring. I don't think he will show enough as a passer to maintain his starting job so the Eagles probably look elsewhere before the end of the season just for the gently caress of it like the Jags did last year with their Luton/Glennon starts. But he will produce as a fantasy option until the Eagles pull the ripcord. So like your perfect world scenario would be something like you also have Trey Lance on your bench and then you're staring Hurts until Lance is an option. Then that slot in your lineup probably easily outproduces what your leaguemates are getting. But while I can dream up scenarios regarding Hurts vs Stafford, if guys like Herbert or Tannehill are also available, I am not loving around with Hurts. I think those two have more realistic paths to Top 5 numbers.
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Pain of Mind posted:QB rankings: Holy gently caress fantasypros does have Hurts that high What the actual gently caress. I apologize for my harsh judgement of you. Football absurdity people go make some money making fun of motherfuckers.
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Top 5 is the best possible scenario for Stafford this year, not the most likely. I put him between 8-13 or so if he doesn’t get hurt.
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RCarr posted:Top 5 is the best possible scenario for Stafford this year, not the most likely. I put him between 8-13 or so if he doesn’t get hurt. I definitely agree with your point here about ceiling vs expectation, but reminder that Stafford was something like QB 15 last year, when Golladay missed almost the whole year, and moved to the place that made Goff something like QB 16. I feel good expecting mid to low QB1 numbers.
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Can't believe Hurts is ranked that high. Feels like it's just a massive overcorrection for undervaluing Jackson, Allen, and Murray in years' past.
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The problem with leaning into Matthew Stafford is the changing landscape of fantasy football scoring. If you don't run, you need a historically good season to reach the top-five. Rushing is so much more valuable that a passing-only quarterback starts in a massive hole To put it a different way, if you converted fantasy points from rushing yards and TDs into equivalent passing yards and TDs, then add them to their passing, this is where you end up last year per game Dak, 418 yards, 2.2 TDs Kyler, 376 yards, 2.1 TDs Watson, 371 yards, 2.2 TDs Mahomes, 367 yards, 2.6 TDs Jackson, 351 yards, 2.0 TDs Allen, 350 yards, 2.6 TDs Wilson, 343 yards, 2.6 TDs None of these guys were outliers, so Stafford is starting in a massive hole. He's gotta average ~350 and ~2.5 just to make it into their tier.
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He averaged 315 and 3.25 in 2019  But yeah again, agreed on that being his ceiling not his expectation
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Yea that’s where Hurts has the massive upside BUT the Eagles are gonna suck sooo
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Yall are over valuing Akers here. Dude was the Rams rushing leader by 1 yard and the runner up that had a higher YPC (Henderson) is still with the team. The Rams were keyed up to be a committee to begin with no matter what the chatter was. Stafford was primed for a career season even if Akers was there. He's been going the majority of his career without a run game. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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You know how many times I’ve hear “Stafford has the chance to be a top 5 QB this year?” Although it can still happen, his first year on a new team after his prime years, isn’t the most likely.
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Yeah Stafford is 33 I know it seems like he should be 40 by now but dude is still in prime QB age range. Yall are trying to bury him on some bloated concerns. He's QB10 at worst.
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This has been great to read about because I've started to do some planning ahead for the draft in my redraft PPR 1QB league where I'm going to keep Swift, Gibson, and Diontae for a 4th, 5th, and 6th respectively (unless Diontae's ADP drops by the time we draft). I was debating if I would try to take a top tier QB in the 3rd or try to load up on skill position players by taking a WR, TE, and RB. edit: and I meant to say that one of my thoughts was "wait for Stafford after the 6th" because I'm high on him on the Rams. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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Dr.Donkeypunch posted:Hello goons, 1 to 2 more spots available in this dynasty superflex best ball league.
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Anyone interested in a dispersal to join a 96 team 8 copy all play league?
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dkj posted:1 to 2 more spots available in this dynasty superflex best ball league.
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I’ll join as well if there’s still a spot.
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How worried are people about Calvin Ridley's foot? Writers don't seem to care but drafters certainly do. He's potentially falling to me at the end of the third round in a Dynasty Startup slow draft. I'm up next and guessing I can take him or CeeDee Lamb. Plan on grabbing my second QB on the turn as there's at least four or five guys I'd be comfortable taking. EDIT: Thought I put superflex. It's a superflex. DeepDickPizza fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jul 26, 2021 |
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As a Ridley owner in dynasty I'm not really concerned. If there were something about ligament damage or screws/pins going in my radar would be up.
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I'm more concerned about Antonio Gibson
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I haven't had a chance to look at the bylaws (I'll look in the morning) but I'd like to join. Invite sent! RCarr posted:I’ll join as well if there’s still a spot. We’re waiting on an answer from one other person at the moment, but if we don’t hear back in the AM, you’ve got dibs.
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kiimo posted:I'm more concerned about Antonio Gibson Why concerned about Gibson?
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ChocolatePancake posted:Why concerned about Gibson? Turf toe.
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He'll probably be fine but when they said it was still a thing I was like uh oh. When it lingers that long I worry about surprise surgery. Looking it up he seems to be okay for now
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When he showed up to OTAs in June and was like “yeah I am still managing my toe issue to get back to 100%” and that was an injury suffered in December, that really soured me on Gibson this year. He can say he’s fine now but when they ramp up their effort level for in season football, I am very worried that the turf toe will become an issue again after a month or so.
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Don't worry I traded him on my dynasty team so he is the next CMC
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https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1419739440369438720
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His backups are Xavier Jones and Jake Funk; I'd keep him in bubble wrap too
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kiimo posted:He'll probably be fine but when they said it was still a thing I was like uh oh. When it lingers that long I worry about surprise surgery. kiimo posted:Don't worry I traded him on my dynasty team so he is the next CMC
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Spoeank posted:The problem with leaning into Matthew Stafford is the changing landscape of fantasy football scoring. If you don't run, you need a historically good season to reach the top-five. Rushing is so much more valuable that a passing-only quarterback starts in a massive hole This is a great breakdown about why they are so close. I'm taking all the shares of Stafford that I can, but I think he's going to be the QB of the number one offense in football this year. I'm also really low on Hurts.
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Also, generally speaking it feels like passing QBs outcome is more similar to the game outcome so it looks better live. 300 passing yards and 2 TDs looks like a proficient game when watching and is worth 20 fantasy points. A running QB can look terrible and the team can get blown out and he still ends up with a similar 20 points for like 200 yards passing, 60 yards rushing and a rushing TD. I feel like there have been numerous times I check the stat tracker and a running QB has 10 more points than I expected for them losing 10 to 35 or whatever.
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I like this news for Henderson. It feels reassuring when they don't need to use the preseason to see what they have at RB after the Akers injury. McVay is confirming Henderson will be the guy and they will only worry after the bullets start firing during the regular season. And with no preseason highlights to prop him up, this should hopefully keep Henderson's ADP from rising too much. No one is gung ho about him and the rankings are probably going to lean towards the conservative side of his outcomes. He could still be a value in drafts and if he pops in Week 1, that could immediately reshape people's expectations and make him a great sell high candidate.
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