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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean the same difference between defending a take and pretending it just didn’t exist despite anyone being able to read it. That's fair. If you don't want to account for any degree of nuance I can see you getting very little from me.
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Martman posted:its entire popularity is based on people thinking that it is sophisticated, lmao Ugly's post is a defense of the movie but it's a defense from a specific implication of the post they quoted and doesn't imply the movie is sophisticated at all. Something can be stupid as dirt and require no deeper thought and still end up having a complex place in society; it's a fact I'm reminded of every time I turn off my monitor. Shiroc posted:Isn't one of the big jokes and the motivation of the story in Tropic Thunder about how Ben Stiller made a movie about being mentally handicapped and it bombed because 'you never go full r-word.' The whole thing is some powerful 2008 edgy joke poo poo from what I can remember. That one's probably a lot more damaging to the cultural lexicon than any of the blackface stuff just by virtue of it being quotable out of context, but the joke is very directly against hollywood making exploitative movies about neurodivergent people. Like the joke is that Ben Stiller's character thought the film industry would reward him for playing any grotesque caricature of a neurodivergent person and he just blunders in to the worst possible choice instead of one of the socially acceptable ones.
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Casnorf posted:That's fair. If you don't want to account for any degree of nuance I can see you getting very little from me. This is weak from you. Where is your philosophy 101 postering. It would help in a sityation where you are trying to make up someone’s else’s argument in a lame attempt to own me
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I wonder if the better approach to the blackface aspect of Tropic Thunder would be to just literally have a black actor play the role. There's really only one scene where the fact that it's actually RDJ under the makeup is important (when he removes the makeup) but that can just be handled with good makeup or sfx and careful camera work. Really the only drawback there would be that it's NOT RDJ in that role, but there were plenty of black actors of similar fame around at that time
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Jul 26, 2021 23:42
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Hmm yes, Tom Cruise in makeup and acting like an obvious Jewish stereotype, so funny and incisive. Not making GBS threads on Tropic Thunder in general. It's an okay movie. But I was confused by all the people who talked about how great Tom Cruise was, and then felt underwhelmed by what I saw.
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Kit Walker posted:I wonder if the better approach to the blackface aspect of Tropic Thunder would be to just literally have a black actor play the role. There's really only one scene where the fact that it's actually RDJ under the makeup is important (when he removes the makeup) but that can just be handled with good makeup or sfx and careful camera work. Really the only drawback there would be that it's NOT RDJ in that role, but there were plenty of black actors of similar fame around at that time I'm in to this idea, the idea of them just playing reversed footage of a black man applying whiteface makeup is powerful
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Kit Walker posted:I wonder if the better approach to the blackface aspect of Tropic Thunder would be to just literally have a black actor play the role. There's really only one scene where the fact that it's actually RDJ under the makeup is important (when he removes the makeup) but that can just be handled with good makeup or sfx and careful camera work. Really the only drawback there would be that it's NOT RDJ in that role, but there were plenty of black actors of similar fame around at that time No no no, the way you do it is have the character played by an actual black guy, then have a scene of him taking a cloth to wash off the "makeup," do a reaction cut-away to everyone looking on, then cut back and it's RDJ saying "yeah, it was REALLY convincing makeup, right?"
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Kit Walker posted:I wonder if the better approach to the blackface aspect of Tropic Thunder would be to just literally have a black actor play the role. There's really only one scene where the fact that it's actually RDJ under the makeup is important (when he removes the makeup) but that can just be handled with good makeup or sfx and careful camera work. Really the only drawback there would be that it's NOT RDJ in that role, but there were plenty of black actors of similar fame around at that time The point of the Kirk Lazarus character is that it's a pretentious Hollywood "method actor" so obsessed with his craft that he'll do blackface to be authentic in the part rather than just have it be played by a black actor. It's taking a similar dig at Hollywood that the Simple Jack thing is. Whether or not that justifies its inclusion is another argument, but that would remove the central point of the character. E: Wait, or are you saying that when he's in makeup he should be played by an actual black actor, but then be RDJ when he takes it off?
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christmas boots posted:The point of the Kirk Lazarus character is that it's a pretentious Hollywood "method actor" so obsessed with his craft that he'll do blackface to be authentic in the part rather than just have it be played by a black actor. It's taking a similar dig at Hollywood that the Simple Jack thing is. Yeah, I was just saying that it was handled in a very different way than like, a South Park blackface situation where it’s just edgy “the joke is blackface is bad but really we just want to do blackface” stuff. I don’t think Tropic Thunder pulled it off as well as they wanted to and it certainly aged badly, but comparing Tropic Thunder’s handling of it and South Park/early 2000’s comedies handling of it comes up with two completely different things.
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christmas boots posted:E: Wait, or are you saying that when he's in makeup he should be played by an actual black actor, but then be RDJ when he takes it off? Yes, exactly. It'll be a black actor playing a pretentious white Hollywood method actor in blackface Asterite34 posted:No no no, the way you do it is have the character played by an actual black guy, then have a scene of him taking a cloth to wash off the "makeup," do a reaction cut-away to everyone looking on, then cut back and it's RDJ saying "yeah, it was REALLY convincing makeup, right?" That's what I meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I just meant that it wouldn't actually be RDJ until the makeup removing scene Count Uvula posted:I'm in to this idea, the idea of them just playing reversed footage of a black man applying whiteface makeup is powerful And I actually like this idea even more, lol Kit Walker has a new favorite as of 00:10 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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Jul 27, 2021 00:07
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Yeah, I was just saying that it was handled in a very different way than like, a South Park blackface situation where it’s just edgy “the joke is blackface is bad but really we just want to do blackface” stuff. I don’t think Tropic Thunder pulled it off as well as they wanted to and it certainly aged badly, but comparing Tropic Thunder’s handling of it and South Park/early 2000’s comedies handling of it comes up with two completely different things.
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Shiroc posted:Isn't one of the big jokes and the motivation of the story in Tropic Thunder about how Ben Stiller made a movie about being mentally handicapped and it bombed because 'you never go full r-word.' The whole thing is some powerful 2008 edgy joke poo poo from what I can remember. (I will say that the fake trailer for rdj's previous movie, about two gay monks in like 12th century england, is absolutely note-perfect as a trailer for that kind of movie, which does not justify any of the rest of TT existing)
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I liked the commentary track for Tropic Thunder. At one point RDJ makes a comment in the movie that he doesn't break character until the DVD commentary is over And he does the commentary in character
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I'm sorry I mentioned Tropic Thunder, can I take it back?
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Captain Monkey posted:I'm sorry I mentioned Tropic Thunder, can I take it back? Take it back... to your grave!
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Captain Monkey posted:I'm sorry I mentioned Tropic Thunder, can I take it back? Quick, mention Idiocracy.
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packetmantis posted:Quick, mention Idiocracy. The documentary?
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Ugly In The Morning posted:The documentary? The Musical
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No I think if we keep going we can really get to the bottom of this. So how does everybody feel about Jon Hamm doing blackface on 30 Rock? E; actually I just checked and all of the 30 Rock blackface episodes (who knew there were so many?) were already pulled from everywhere last year at Tina Fey's request, so there's not much point to discussing their continued existence. Donkey has a new favorite as of 02:58 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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Donkey posted:No I think if we keep going we can really get to the bottom of this. So how does everybody feel about Jon Hamm doing blackface on 30 Rock? This just proves what I’ve always said White liberal women are bad at comedy.
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Donkey posted:No I think if we keep going we can really get to the bottom of this. So how does everybody feel about Jon Hamm doing blackface on 30 Rock?
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Martman posted:That reminds me of one that may actually be more debatable, when Roger does blackface in Mad Men. I'm sure some viewers laugh at it because it's so shocking but I think it works because it's completely unironic; it's just a sad and probably accurate portrayal of the kind of poo poo a weird rich old white dude might be into in the 60s. It helps that everyone around him was like “Jesus loving Christ” and cringed to death.
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People of that era did blackface a lot—it’s just been scrubbed from the pop culture record for obvious reasons. By the 60s maybe it was passing out of the culture, but right up until then, it was not a big deal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ56qNb3FwA
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christmas boots posted:The point of the Kirk Lazarus character is that it's a pretentious Hollywood "method actor" so obsessed with his craft that he'll do blackface to be authentic in the part rather than just have it be played by a black actor. It's taking a similar dig at Hollywood that the Simple Jack thing is. Yeah, the ridiculous levels of method acting were the whole point with Kirk Lazarus being a riff on Heath Ledger/Christian Bale types (with his offset behaviour and nationality probably from Russel Crowe). Pretty much every major character in Tropic Thunder is a riff on various Hollywood actors during hard times in their careers. It's a point where the actually black guy outright says that Hollywood would rather have a white man 'method acting' than actually cast a black person as a prominent black character. The real fun bit is near the end of the movie where Kirk Lazarus regresses through every major character he's played like a dying shapeshifter. AceOfFlames posted:The use of the word definitely aged poorly but miguided idiots thinking making something like Simple Jack is okay definitely did not, as the Sia autism movie proved. Oh christ that shows. It pretty much spells out the unspoken view that people, especially the ones that give out awards, only like to see disabilities portrayed when they're not really disabilities.
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i got tropic thunder confused with pineapple express at the beginning of reading this discussion
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pineapple express is a timeless masterpiece
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, the ridiculous levels of method acting were the whole point with Kirk Lazarus being a riff on Heath Ledger/Christian Bale types (with his offset behaviour and nationality probably from Russel Crowe). Ledger was Australian too, so just behaviours I'd guess. Or also Daniel Day Lewis who is also an infamous method actor.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Ledger was Australian too, so just behaviours I'd guess. Or also Daniel Day Lewis who is also an infamous method actor. Daniel Day Lewis at least gives good performances.
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This is from a couple of pages back, but The Stupids is a great film! "Man-Bush, you are natures greatest miracle!" still makes me laugh. The mum in that film gives a great, under-rated performance.
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Tropic Thunder probably gets a bit less credit than it deserves because it's an extremely meta movie, with a lot of the actors involved playing parodies of themselves mixed with various other Hollywood actors. Also not really that serious given it involves a drug cartel run by a child who are all big fans of Simple Jack, and Ben Stiller gets attacked by and kills a panda, then skins it and wears it after a mental breakdown. Careers on the edge of implosion are kind of a theme there; Ben Stiller's character is an action star who's attempts at serious roles went over badly and returned to an action franchise that's outstayed its welcome (young Sylvester Stallone vibes, perhaps); RDJ a method actor and Oscar luminary who's greatly neglected his mental health, see above; Jack Black is... kinda self-parody as usual but his drug problems have Chris Farley vibes and his movies are an obvious jab at late career Eddie Murphy; and Alpa Chino being an obvious riff on rappers trying to break into movies with mixed success.
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“Five time Academy Award winner Kirk Lazarus, and MTV Best Kiss Award winner Tobey Maguire” is extremely on point for my burning hatred of Tobey Maguire.
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Torquemada posted:“Five time Academy Award winner Kirk Lazarus, and MTV Best Kiss Award winner Tobey Maguire” is extremely on point for my burning hatred of Tobey Maguire. What did Tobey ever do to hurt you?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Tropic Thunder probably gets a bit less credit than it deserves because it's an extremely meta movie, with a lot of the actors involved playing parodies of themselves mixed with various other Hollywood actors. Also not really that serious given it involves a drug cartel run by a child who are all big fans of Simple Jack, and Ben Stiller gets attacked by and kills a panda, then skins it and wears it after a mental breakdown. Honestly the most 2008 thing in the movie is probably the last of these. Does that still happen at all?
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My partner recently rewatched the entirety of Gossip Girl, which meant I also ended up absorbing more than I wanted to. In the final season's thanksgiving episode, one of the women dresses up in what I imagine the writers thought to be authentic Native American dress to seduce a white dude on the holiday, which was a pretty big yikes for the two of us.
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Nottherealaborn posted:What did Tobey ever do to hurt you? Didn't kiss him
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DJ Fuckboy Supreme posted:My partner recently rewatched the entirety of Gossip Girl, which meant I also ended up absorbing more than I wanted to. In the final season's thanksgiving episode, one of the women dresses up in what I imagine the writers thought to be authentic Native American dress to seduce a white dude on the holiday, which was a pretty big yikes for the two of us. Is the character supposed to be Native American or is she a white Upper East Sider? Because I can imagine the latter actually happening.
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Nottherealaborn posted:What did Tobey ever do to hurt you? Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Honestly the most 2008 thing in the movie is probably the last of these. Does that still happen at all? If the movie were made today, Alpa would be a pro wrestler.
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Nottherealaborn posted:What did Tobey ever do to hurt you? Apparently he's a huge rear end in a top hat.
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OPAONI posted:Apparently he's a huge rear end in a top hat. Yeah, isn’t it an open secret that the guy Michael Cera plays in Molly’s Game (Player X) is meant to be Toby?
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