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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

That's more than a little disingenuous, because Pudding Mill Lane and the Olympic Park generally area is, yes, technically in the Lower Lea flood plain the flooding there at the weekend has nothing at all to do with that, and was caused by the failure of a pumping station that raises water from the sewers in the area up to the Northern Outfall Sewer - all of London's sewage north of the river congregates at Wick Lane, west of the Olympic Park, where it is pumped up above ground level into the NOS from where it runs down to Barking Reach for treatment. Well technically some of the shite goes to Abbey Mill, just southeast of the park, but whatever.

The point is that all of the waste water in that fairly small area between Marshgate Lane and Bow Road/Stratford High Street has to be pumped up to the NOS whichis actually at the same level as the DLR tracks and the Great Eastern mainline (it's an intensely strange sensation as you have to walk under the massive pipes to get to the London Stadium, having 5 million people's poo poo above your head is certainly an experience), and one of the pumps there failed. If you look at the footage you can see a cascade of water from the right, that's from the last manhole before the pump - about ten minutes after the rain stopped the area was dry again because the inflow slowed enough for the remaining pumps to do their job.

They go on to talk about how there is no residential property at ground level in the new developments but that's *not* a flood thing, just a lovely "mixed-use development" thing. The entire park area which was indeed built with the possibility of the Lea flooding because there is a known problem with the Lea flooding in that area, because the Lee Flood Relief Channel (yeah the spelling is all over the place, don't blame me) ends at Hackney Marsh which has been left undeveloped exactly for this reason. The Olympic Park itself is designed to be an overflow for the Waterworks River, the southern extension of the Flood Relief Channel, and the actual developed areas around Stratford City are almost 5 metres above the Hackney Cut, which marks the normal highest point of the Lea. The whole area is absolutely loving poo poo for loads and loads of reasons but the Olympic Park itself considerably *decreases* the flood risk both for Hackney Wick and Stratford but also for the entire Lower Lea. If you knew the area before the development, the fact that the various rivers and canals are now all quite a bit "lower" than they were when it was all industrial is really notable.

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NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad


This is the worst fucken merge I have ever had to drive on, I avoid it like the plague* any time its not dead quiet.

For non-Toon folks:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9828703,-1.6114802,3a,75y,135.56h,80.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss17_a7FwVAGc3itRjLojgw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

You come tooling around this curve and have maybe 200meters to get across a lane into traffic that's blasting along in both lanes to your right at 60mph, not like a motorway onramp merge where you can look down as you join and can see what the traffic is doing, here you have to look over your right shoulder and crane your neck at 40mph in a 200meter space while also making sure the cars in front of you aren't braking and no one is wanting to merge out from the main flow into your lane to branch off. Its an absolute shitshow.

*this idiom currently under advisement from the Idiots Board of England

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

learnincurve posted:

Two white heads are worse than one white head because it’s inevitably a 100 year old man with a wife who needs to believe that he can still drive despite all the evidence.

Case in point:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/17/prince-philip-involved-in-car-accident-near-sandringham

quote:


Prince Philip involved in car crash near Sandringham estate
This article is more than 2 years old
Duke of Edinburgh, 97, was not injured in collision on road near royal estate in Norfolk

The Duke of Edinburgh has escaped unhurt after the car he was driving was involved in a crash close to the Sandringham estate in Norfolk.

Police were called to the scene of a collision involving 97-year-old Prince Philip on Thursday. Witnesses told the BBC the Land Rover being driven by Philip had overturned after pulling out from a driveway on the A149. He was helped out of the car by witnesses and was reportedly conscious but very shocked and shaken.

The palace would not confirm if he was alone in the vehicle at the time of the collision. The other car involved was a Kia and its female driver and passenger were treated in hospital and later discharged. Norfolk police said: “The female driver of the Kia suffered cuts while the female passenger sustained an arm injury, both requiring hospital treatment.”

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Remembering those happy occasions where I'd be trying to merge onto a motorway off of a slip road while the driver in front of me was doing a steady 40mph :argh:

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Pistol_Pete posted:

Remembering those happy occasions where I'd be trying to merge onto a motorway off of a slip road while the driver in front of me was doing a steady 40mph :argh:

I really feel for folks who have to drive in traffic - I will always make driving plans past 6pm if possible, I would hate to have to commute in a car and it would take like a wage doubling for me to give up my 20min walk to work. I was stuck in a stop-go jam for about 80mins just once recently on the A1 past the Metrocenter / Team Valley, about the only time I ever thought Yeah those folks with automatics, maybe they're on to something; Also one of these rolled past slowly in the opposite lane direction and I thought Oh big mood

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

The Perfect Element posted:

Exciting road/parking query: one of our neighbours extended their driveway, so now half of it adjoins a raised curb. Parking on my street is bad and getting worse, so I am getting increasingly tempted just to block off half their driveway when I have to, because I'm pretty sure it's allowed? Otherwise presumably everyone could just pave over their front gardens and then there would be NO STREET PARKING LEFT ANYWHERE.

I got a letter from the council because some shithead stranger keeps parking in the 'parking spot' my dodgy landlord put in without a dropped kerb to match it, threatening to sue me if I (the tenant, in no position to put a fence in place or anything) let them keep doing it. So, like, maybe write to your council?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

NoneMoreNegative posted:

; Also one of these rolled past slowly in the opposite lane direction and I thought Oh big mood



What kind of truck is that? Looks like a Fnord Cargo...

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
What truck?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Someone spent an absolute fortune getting the land ready to put up this new build estate near me, built the 4/5 bed show houses and then not one got sold….

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"

feedmegin posted:

I got a letter from the council because some shithead stranger keeps parking in the 'parking spot' my dodgy landlord put in without a dropped kerb to match it, threatening to sue me if I (the tenant, in no position to put a fence in place or anything) let them keep doing it. So, like, maybe write to your council?

Yes I remember your unfortunate saga :( (definitely cover the car in bird seed and film the result)

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Guavanaut posted:

What truck?

:hmmyes:

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

All hail.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

learnincurve posted:

Someone spent an absolute fortune getting the land ready to put up this new build estate near me, built the 4/5 bed show houses and then not one got sold….



Poor Sarah Louise must be lonely :smith:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ferrosol posted:

This loving roundabout in its old configuration cocked up my driving test because it's right round the corner from the test centre and I pulled out into the wrong spiral lane and made a truck driver brake.

I think, mercifully, when I did mine I didn't get that roundabout, which is probably the only reason I didn't end up in the same position. Again cos there were no lanes, or no actual painted ones because the trucks wore them off near instantly. You just had to loving intuit where and when to budge out and hope no fucker runs into you. Horrible horrible roundabout that is much better now.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Pistol_Pete posted:

Remembering those happy occasions where I'd be trying to merge onto a motorway off of a slip road while the driver in front of me was doing a steady 40mph :argh:

I think someone mentioned previously in the thread, the phenomenon of people who don't actually know what the speed limit is anywhere, so default to 40mph. National speed limit? 40mph. Built-up area? 40mph.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Poor Sarah Louise must be lonely :smith:

Probably did great business while the construction was happening though, brickies are always popping in to get a facemask and some cuticle treatments on their lunch break

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Illuminati! He's illuminati!

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

Flayer posted:

Currently I don't see how you could fit e-sports into the Olympics because of it's very nature - which game (or games) would be in? It's not like a traditional sport where the fundamental nature of it never changes. You also have the fact that a commercial entity owns the right to whatever game(s) were chosen, which is a whole other kettle of fish. You're more likely to see chess in the Olympics than e-sports unless there is a structural change in competitive gaming.

Well this is simple to solve actually. Have an official Government Video Game, which is in public ownership and which can then become the universal Gold Standard (tm) of gaming

In fact this already exists. Presenting: America's Army, Olympics Edition

Conservatives love the US Army, liberals and progressives love new things and ~digital culture~, everybody wins!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Bobstar posted:

I think someone mentioned previously in the thread, the phenomenon of people who don't actually know what the speed limit is anywhere, so default to 40mph. National speed limit? 40mph. Built-up area? 40mph.

It's a little worrying how many people don't seem to know what a carriageway is and think that a dual carriageway is just a road with two lanes in the same direction.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/garius/status/1419573124589309956

Click this tweet immediately to bask in a thread that starts with supermarket supply chains and ends with the ultimate doomsday scenario for WW2 Britain - inferior blended tea.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

OwlFancier posted:

It's a little worrying how many people don't seem to know what a carriageway is and think that a dual carriageway is just a road with two lanes in the same direction.

a dual carriageway can be a single lane in each direction if there's some kind of barrier between them

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://twitter.com/garius/status/1419573124589309956

Click this tweet immediately to bask in a thread that starts with supermarket supply chains and ends with the ultimate doomsday scenario for WW2 Britain - inferior blended tea.

This will be our generations ‘when the bins weren’t collected’

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://twitter.com/garius/status/1419573124589309956

Click this tweet immediately to bask in a thread that starts with supermarket supply chains and ends with the ultimate doomsday scenario for WW2 Britain - inferior blended tea.

It's a very twisto thread. The thing about the brewing and the watertable and the Tube lives exactly on my personal line of credibility/skepticism

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

jaete posted:

Well this is simple to solve actually. Have an official Government Video Game, which is in public ownership and which can then become the universal Gold Standard (tm) of gaming

In fact this already exists. Presenting: America's Army, Olympics Edition

Conservatives love the US Army, liberals and progressives love new things and ~digital culture~, everybody wins!

Dota, Olympics Edition.

Make sure to stream the voice chat of the teams for maximum immersion.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

OwlFancier posted:

It's a little worrying how many people don't seem to know what a carriageway is and think that a dual carriageway is just a road with two lanes in the same direction.

Erm... it isn't? No wonder I failed my driving test 4 times! (And the last time was on a particularly nasty roundabout with trees all over the middle - if only that pesky blue van hadn't suddenly appeared round the corner.... )

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Erm... it isn't? No wonder I failed my driving test 4 times! (And the last time was on a particularly nasty roundabout with trees all over the middle - if only that pesky blue van hadn't suddenly appeared round the corner.... )

The carriageway is the tarmac, the physical strip of road surface upon which you can theoretically drive a vehicle, it can have as many lanes as you want, but what makes something a dual carriageway is whether or not there is a physical barrier between you and the traffic going the other way. Whether or not there are two, separate, physical roads.

They are normally two lanes in each direction, but if the central barrier disappears, it is a single carriageway and the national speed limit is 60, same as for the smallest country road.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Not to be confused with a duel carriageway, which is one lane you can go both directions on.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Noxville posted:

This will be our generations ‘when the bins weren’t collected’

Except instead of blaming the government for it, we'll be blaming the EU. Assuming Starmer can keep his mouth shut and not claim the blame for Labour.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Erm... it isn't? No wonder I failed my driving test 4 times! (And the last time was on a particularly nasty roundabout with trees all over the middle - if only that pesky blue van hadn't suddenly appeared round the corner.... )

It has to be separated by something other than a painted road surface to be a dual carriageway, I believe. And if you want to do 70mph the divider has to be raised from the road surface. Having this info led to my one and only “no officer I think if you check you’ll find I’m right” moment so it’s worth knowing.

Edit: Owlfancier, if the divider was just grass would the limit be 60 or 70? I think 60 but bow to your superior knowledge!

Sanford fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jul 27, 2021

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

Not to be confused with a duel carriageway, which is one lane you can go both directions on.

I think they call it a piste

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Sanford posted:

It has to be separated by something other than a painted road surface to be a dual carriageway, I believe. And if you want to do 70mph the divider has to be raised from the road surface. Having this info led to my one and only “no officer I think if you check you’ll find I’m right” moment so it’s worth knowing.

Edit: Owlfancier, if the divider was just grass would the limit be 60 or 70? I think 60 but bow to your superior knowledge!

I think 70? I don't know if it needs to be a crash barrier or not, I've never driven anywhere that didn't have at least a kerb though.

E: looking on wikipedia apparently they were usually built without barriers back when so yeah, that still counts I think unless some legislation amended it. I think the idea is more that you have to be trying very hard to get to the oncoming traffic, not that it is physically impossible as you can almost certainly manage to reach the oncoming lane if you are committed enough even if there is a concrete wall in the way.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Jul 27, 2021

Blasmeister
Jan 15, 2012




2Time TRP Sack Race Champion

Jedit posted:

Except instead of blaming the government for it, we'll be blaming the EU. Assuming Starmer can keep his mouth shut and not claim the blame for Labour.

They don’t even need to do that right now when they can blame people using the COVID app

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Guavanaut posted:

Not to be confused with a duel carriageway, which is one lane you can go both directions on.

OwlFancier posted:

smallest country road.

Love a good passing place

Semi-related Dutch thing I've come across a lot is the road that they don't want you using a rat-run, so they build it to not be comfortably wide enough for two cars. Instead they build it to be uncomfortably wide enough for 2 cars (or very uncomfortably for a car and a lorry), so you can't just switch off and go zooming through the villages when the motorway's backed up. No white line down the middle, just a big old road, figure it out yourself.

Normally a 60km/h limit, 50 or 30 in the villages.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002

quote:

“dual carriageway road” means a road which comprises a central reservation and “all-purpose dual carriageway road” means a dual carriageway road which is not a motorway;

“central reservation” means—
(a)any land between the carriageways of a road comprising two carriageways; or
(b)any permanent work (other than a traffic island) in the carriageway of a road,
which separates the carriageway or, as the case may be, the part of the carriageway which is to be used by traffic moving in one direction from the carriageway or part of the carriageway which is to be used (whether at all times or at particular times only) by traffic moving in the other direction

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Lol this is the rabidly anti-Corbyn girl who had to withdraw from standing as young labour chair after posts emerged of her saying she thought the nazis were hot.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Lol this is the rabidly anti-Corbyn girl who had to withdraw from standing as young labour chair after posts emerged of her saying she thought the nazis were hot.

I was wondering if it was the same eluned lol. And oh yes I forgot she got the boot for salivating over eichmann or whatever lmao.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
My new UC person is a proper enthusiastic little twerp. Pulled out the whole 35 hours a week thing. My old one clearly didn’t give much of a poo poo but this one seems to have drank the Kool Aid and thinks a 90 minute each way commute is reasonable. The bullshitting required to get by in modern life is loving insane.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

she thought the nazis were hot.

Not in Russia they weren't

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Reminds me of the turn on to the A34 outside Winchester. IIRC you follow a roundabout off and then have to change lanes immediately to hit the slip road - the sign is hidden around a corner behind a bush, and even if you do see it I'm not sure most people would have the reaction time necessary to react. If you gently caress it up you end up on a country road heading out to Kingsworthy and there are no turnings. If you turn back, the only way to get to the turning again is to go round the roundabout again.

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Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Bobstar posted:


Semi-related Dutch thing I've come across a lot is the road that they don't want you using a rat-run, so they build it to not be comfortably wide enough for two cars.

Having cars parked all along your road can have the same benefit, so that residents' parking schemes can be actually harmful to residents and pedestrians

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