sexpig by night posted:

mama mia, I makea the great leap forward, hiel!

stephenthinkpad posted:

It's funny how the US congressmen used to beat up Japanese electronics appliances in front of press but they don't do that to Walmart Chinese TV and Lenovo laptops now.

genericnick posted:

lol

Also why can't I get rid of those dumb quote marks in the url.
Edit: Best part of the new plan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk

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The Pentagon would not provide the name of the wargame, which was classified, but a defense official said one of the scenarios revolved around a battle for Taiwan. One key lesson: gathering ships, aircraft, and other forces to concentrate and reinforce each other’s combat power also made them sitting ducks. 

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‘It Failed Miserably’: After Wargaming Loss, Joint Chiefs Are Overhauling How the US Military Will Fight
The Pentagon would not provide the name of the wargame, which was classified, but a defense official said one of the scenarios revolved around a battle for Taiwan. One key lesson: gathering ships, aircraft, and other forces to concentrate and reinforce each other’s combat power also made them sitting ducks. 

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The Pentagon would not provide the name of the wargame, which was classified, but a defense official said one of the scenarios revolved around a battle for Taiwan. One key lesson: gathering ships, aircraft, and other forces to concentrate and reinforce each other’s combat power also made them sitting ducks.

We always aggregate to fight, and aggregate to survive. But in today’s world, with hypersonic missiles, with significant long-range fires coming at us from all domains, if you're aggregated and everybody knows where you are, you're vulnerable,” Hyten said.

Even more critically, the blue team lost access to its networks almost immediately.

“We basically attempted an information-dominance structure, where information was ubiquitous to our forces. Just like it was in the first Gulf War, just like it has been for the last 20 years, just like everybody in the world, including China and Russia, have watched us do for the last 30 years,” Hyten said. “Well, what happens if right from the beginning that information is not available? And that’s the big problem that we faced.”

mila kunis posted:

chinese bourgeoisie getting increasingly pissed, as the mournful messages from my loaded fuerdai friend can attest to. i wonder if there's a way for them to team up with international capital to take a crack at the CPC, or do a capital strike as happened with the keynesians. maybe the commanding heights being under state control renders them resilient to it

you cant take your money out of the country due to capital controls. you cant invest in speculatory bubbles or societally harmful but lucrative poo poo like for profit education because big gubmint is going to come gently caress you up. if you're chinese capital and want quick and large returns, what do you do?

crepeface posted:

i regret to inform you that bernie has taken another loss

mila kunis posted:

chinese bourgeoisie getting increasingly pissed, as the mournful messages from my loaded fuerdai friend can attest to. i wonder if there's a way for them to team up with international capital to take a crack at the CPC, or do a capital strike as happened with the keynesians. maybe the commanding heights being under state control renders them resilient to it

you cant take your money out of the country due to capital controls. you cant invest in speculatory bubbles or societally harmful but lucrative poo poo like for profit education because big gubmint is going to come gently caress you up. if you're chinese capital and want quick and large returns, what do you do?

Zmej posted:

how does this guy still get paid to write as a "journalist" lol

mila kunis posted:

chinese bourgeoisie getting increasingly pissed, as the mournful messages from my loaded fuerdai friend can attest to. i wonder if there's a way for them to team up with international capital to take a crack at the CPC, or do a capital strike as happened with the keynesians. maybe the commanding heights being under state control renders them resilient to it

you cant take your money out of the country due to capital controls. you cant invest in speculatory bubbles or societally harmful but lucrative poo poo like for profit education because big gubmint is going to come gently caress you up. if you're chinese capital and want quick and large returns, what do you do?

mila kunis posted:

chinese bourgeoisie getting increasingly pissed, as the mournful messages from my loaded fuerdai friend can attest to. i wonder if there's a way for them to team up with international capital to take a crack at the CPC, or do a capital strike as happened with the keynesians. maybe the commanding heights being under state control renders them resilient to it

you cant take your money out of the country due to capital controls. you cant invest in speculatory bubbles or societally harmful but lucrative poo poo like for profit education because big gubmint is going to come gently caress you up. if you're chinese capital and want quick and large returns, what do you do?

crepeface posted:

i regret to inform you that bernie has taken another loss

https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1420044719736991748?s=20

Cerebral Bore posted:

i think china has the good sense to ensure that anybody who tried to pull a capital strike would at a minimum end up with their assets seized and their rear end thrown into a reeducation camp

e: also who exactly is going to pull off a coup? the army is loyal, the economy is still growing, the government enjoys widespread popular support and the party cadres have no real incentive to go against the system

Ardennes posted:

I would say the real danger is a Soviet-style malaise where both the public and elements of the Communist Party start seriously doubting the system and that leads to a leadership void. Then you get your Gorbachev and its end game. That said, it would need the US to seriously economically isolate China.

Right now, there really isn't serious internal pressure. The oligarchs are buckling under because they know they have no pull.

OhFunny posted:

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/07/it-failed-miserably-after-wargaming-loss-joint-chiefs-are-overhauling-how-us-military-will-fight/184050/

Fake edit: oh I see. You're using the quote feature on the Android app and putting the link in the source section above the quote. I'm going to play around and see what's what with this post.

Edit: testing

Edit2: Success.

"‘It Failed Miserably’: After Wargaming Loss, Joint Chiefs Are Overhauling How the US Military Will Fight - Defense One posted:

some quoted text

Cerebral Bore posted:

you can't exactly economically isolate the workshop of the world, though

exmarx posted:

bernie's 'major countries' bit has always sucked

HerraS posted:

Bernie is a firm believer in the Finno-Korean Hyper War

exmarx posted:

bernie's 'major countries' bit has always sucked

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Slovenia/Population
2.081 million (2019)

ToxicAcne posted:

Suppose if a social democratic party in the West managed to nationalize the commanding heights of the economy like China, would it be possible at that point to legislate one's country to socialism? (This is basically the Bhaskar Sunkara model)

ToxicAcne posted:

What about DemSocs? Or if a DemSoc faction gained control of a Social Democratic Party a la Corbyn. Assuming that the centrists in the party don't shank you would it be possible? And yeah I'm talking about core countries.

Cerebral Bore posted:

i think china has the good sense to ensure that anybody who tried to pull a capital strike would at a minimum end up with their assets seized and their rear end thrown into a reeducation camp

e: also who exactly is going to pull off a coup? the army is loyal, the economy is still growing, the government enjoys widespread popular support and the party cadres have no real incentive to go against the system

gradenko_2000 posted:

any Democratic Socialist movement is eventually going to bump up against the problem of what happens when the time comes to actually seize the commanding heights of the economy and the capitalists say no

that will involve force

ToxicAcne posted:

Suppose if a social democratic party in the West managed to nationalize the commanding heights of the economy like China, would it be possible at that point to legislate one's country to socialism? (This is basically the Bhaskar Sunkara model)

Ardennes posted:

I would say the real danger is a Soviet-style malaise where both the public and elements of the Communist Party start seriously doubting the system and that leads to a leadership void. Then you get your Gorbachev and its end game. That said, it would need the US to seriously economically isolate China.

Right now, there really isn't serious internal pressure. The oligarchs are buckling under because they know they have no pull.

gradenko_2000 posted:

my dad posted:

Given how many interactions between Chinese and Yugoslav communist delegations boiled down to "and then we faced a somewhat unique situation here and so we decided to... oh? really? you too? but then we... huh..." I do believe that China kept a very watchful eye on the mechanisms of Yugoslavia's death, and learned from it. Not gonna say it necessarily learned the right lessons, but I guess we'll see.

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Of course, we have learned through research that there are many crises hidden behind the prosperity of Yugoslavia. For example, inflation was very severe and political power had been excessively decentralized. At that time, the central government of Yugoslavia had almost only diplomatic and national defense authority. After the death of President Tito on May 4, 1980, the Federal Government of Yugoslavia implemented the practice of collectively taking turns in power by the heads of state. As a result, this practice failed to form a strong core of leadership. Its six republics were independent.

Tito's own economic policies during his lifetime also made serious mistakes. He always wanted to equalize the republics. He did not act in accordance with economic laws, so he did not form a unified and efficient domestic market. Later, a scholar in Serbia said to us: Tito’s approach is that if you want to build a steel plant in Serbia, then several other republics will also build one. As a result, a large number of "political factories" with very low economic benefits had been built in Yugoslavia.

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Pan Guang: I remember when I was a visiting scholar at the Brookings Institution in 1988, a Yugoslav scholar came to the United States to study Westernization without any socialism or communism. After a few years, I ran into him, and he said that he had gone the wrong way. He gave an example. He was a professor at a university. (Originally) their teaching and research offices had Serbians, Croatians, and Slovenians. Everyone was like a family; now they are like enemies, and when they fight, they will fight against each other. These things are very tragic to think of.

Zhang Weiwei: [...] Look at our Xinjiang, there have been terrorist incidents for many years, but when our Party Central Committee is dealing with this issue, it has always emphasized that these are a minority, terrorists and extremists, not Uyghurs. Uyghurs and Hans are a family. People. We did this, [but] in that political atmosphere they intensified confrontation, intensified racial contradictions, emphasized differences, and emphasized that if you kill me, I will kill you. This is a big problem.

Pan Guang: In the end, they were caught in a vicious circle of turning violence into violence.

Moderator: In Tito's time, he made many economic decisions. These decisions were not based on market rules, but many of them were the planned economy. Professor Zhang gave an example. Many "political factories" have been built, and there is no benign interaction between the various sectors. This will cause the centrifugal force to be greater than the centripetal force. Didn’t the entire Yugoslavia have a proper way to solve this problem at that time?

Zhang Weiwei: It's already very difficult. Because when we went to Yugoslavia in 1986, the power of its central government was already very weak, basically only national defense and diplomacy. This especially means that the central government has no financial resources.

In fact, we have also learned a lot of lessons from it. For example, in the process of reform and opening up, in order to mobilize the enthusiasm of local governments, we used to engage in fiscal contract. As a result, we found that the central government's money was getting less and less, and the local governments' money was increasing. Later, a tax-sharing system was established, which was to establish a completely new taxation system. Part of the tax revenue was 100% owned by the central government, part of the tax revenue was 100% owned by the local government, and part of the tax revenue was shared by the local government and the central government. At that time, the national capacity was too weak.

Pan Guang: I think we now have a strong and powerful central government with party leadership and relatively correct guiding ideology, so we are not afraid of these problems. With regard to ethnic and religious issues, we must firmly hold on to it, and there must be no loopholes. I think the problems of Yugoslavia were, in the final analysis, political problems. The economic barrier is secondary. If the political barrier is not properly controlled, the economic barrier will definitely have major problems.

Zhang Weiwei: Teacher Pan is right on this point. In the early or even mid-1980s, we sent various study groups to Yugoslavia very seriously every year. When we went there in 1986, there were some reform experts in it. For example, we are studying a specific issue, how does the party organization play a role in the enterprise during the reform; Yugoslavians say that our party organization has become like a trade union. This is what we learned at the time. Looking back now, it made a mistake. We were objectively understanding Yugoslavia’s reform and exploration, but soon we got ahead of it, and our reforms were better than it.

Moderator: For Yugoslavia, its error correction mechanism and ability are also a big question mark. What is the reason?

Zhang Weiwei: Tito himself was responsible for this, because he did not have a strong leadership core. ... With so many republics, the first secretary of the party of each republic took turns serving as the general secretary of the Yugoslav Union for a year, and the prime minister of the republic also took turns to be in charge. It turns out that this is simply not possible.

When we think about it now, we think Tito was too confident. He felt that after years of complete unity, living together, economic integration was also good, so he was very confident. He told foreign reporters that Yugoslavia will have no problems in a hundred years. Later proved unreliable.

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Question: Western scholars like Huntington have proposed that in the third wave of democratization, Yugoslavia split into multiple countries and the Soviet Union disintegrated. I would like to ask two teachers how did this so-called third wave of democratization come about? What is its ultimate goal? And what impact will it have on our country?

Zhang Weiwei: Huntington wrote this book specifically, called "The Third Wave: The Wave of Democratization in the Late 20th Century." According to his definition, the third wave of democratization began in the mid-1970s, with the fall of the Franco regime in Spain; in the 1980s, South Korea and Taiwan of China in the "Four Asian Dragons" also began the so-called democratization; and then in the 1990s, the Soviet Union collapsed and Eastern Europe collapsed. He put this whole together as the third wave of democratization.

China's reform and opening up have almost gone through the entire process. Looking back now, it is because we have our own persistence, otherwise major problems will arise. At every stage at that time, this wave would spread to China, including when Gorbachev put forward the principle of "openness" when he was in power. Many intellectuals in our country also actively responded. But we have our persistence, Deng Xiaoping was very clear - globalization includes economics and politics, political globalization is the so-called democratization, China does not participate; but economic globalization, we actively participate in the process of participating in the process of seeking advantages and avoiding disadvantages.

Recently, you can see that many talks about the third wave of democratization have suddenly ended. They said two reasons. One is that the 2008 financial crisis showed that the US model is not working; the other is that China has risen. People think that China can do well without adopting the Western model. On the contrary, Western democracy is facing the problem of recession.

If you look at these two points together, everyone will be more aware that the Western model has genetic defects and will eventually decline all the way, unless profound political reforms are carried out - we return the label of "political reform" to the West, and they want reform, there is no way out without reform.

Pan Guang: At that time, the Soviet Union engaged in "shock therapy", and now they all think it is wrong. At that time, the "shock therapy" sold all state-owned assets at once. A friend told me that a tank factory worth several hundred million dollars was sold to a private entrepreneur for 5 million U.S. dollars. Looking back now, Putin’s approach is to deprive those financial oligarchs of the property that they have made fortunes through the privatization of "shock therapy," and then gradually restore state control. This direction is still right.

Centrist Committee posted:

I can’t see this as a danger at all, because as you said it would require the perception that there is a superior system to adopt. lol at anyone who looks at US or European capitalism and sees a dynamic system creating hope and opportunity. if anything, the us is the country caught in late stage malaise, and there’s some communist version of soros just waiting to administer socialist shock doctrine. american life expectancy shoots up by years in just a few months, alcoholism plummets!

Yadoppsi posted:

Chixin Liu's The Three Body Problem is probably the most famous Chinese sci-fi story in the english speaking world. Do to my work schedule I dont really have time to crack open a paper book but instead listen to audiobooks on the clock. I was pleased to discover the podcast Stories from the Stars is doing a reading of Three Body. Looks like they are posting 4 chapters a week. If anyone is interested in sci-fi it's a very good story so far and I urge you to check it out:

https://us.macmillan.com/podcasts/podcast/stories-from-among-the-stars/

stephenthinkpad posted:

I think world trade currency has to move away from the US dollar first.

IMO socialist economy in places like India and Bangladesh or even Iran failed because the USD has been able to create too much artificial wealth which created legitimate pressure against smaller and non open (non US capitalist friendly) economies.

By "fail", I mean underperform or has a reputation of failure by the capitalist funded economists