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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Pioneer is generally a boring lovely format quite apart from overpowered decks, the reason people aren’t playing it is because it isn’t any fun, and WOTC probably is just not wasting any development resources on a format nobody plays. RIP pioneer, you were a bad idea executed poorly. i blame a lot of pioneer's lack of pickup on the pandemic and i think once in-play picks up & pioneer ends up on arena to live alongside historic being "arena modern" it'll get rejuvenated
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Jul 27, 2021 20:28
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Irony Be My Shield posted:DRC will probably get Looting banned. That's a good point actually. I guess we haven't seen the two cards played together yet, or well I haven't anyway because I don't pay much attention to legacy.
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Jul 27, 2021 20:30
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flatluigi posted:i blame a lot of pioneer's lack of pickup on the pandemic and i think once in-play picks up & pioneer ends up on arena to live alongside historic being "arena modern" it'll get rejuvenated I think it's lost its momentum and appeal with the playerbase. plus, modern is really fun to play right now, even though the cards are a bit expensive. paper play is picking up in a lot of places, but it's mostly modern. now that paper has picked up, I'm probably not going to keep investing in historic. It seemed like a great format at times, but the economics make it really unappealing, especially compared to buying actual good modern cards to own irl. I don't mind spending some money on digital, but just let me get the cards like in those historic anthologies, drat. the jumpstart format is terrible for collecting cards, i'd mostly just have to straight convert money into WCs by buying packs of AFR or whatever.
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Jul 27, 2021 20:56
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Necronomicon posted:This thread never disappoints as a place to see people go into absolute hysterics over new things WotC is doing with Magic. I think the new mechanics so far are fun and weird, and WotC have shown in the past that they're willing to ban the worst examples of wild new mechanics that get out of control. Also...it's a set of cards for one format. It doesn't mean Magic is turning into Hearthstone. That's just silly. it does mean arena is leaning towards hearthstone bullshit though, which is what people in this thread have been actually saying.
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Jul 27, 2021 21:15
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"Modern is cheaper than Historic" is definitely a take
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Jul 27, 2021 21:21
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it's hard to say it's cheaper, but you get more for your money. actual cards that you own physically and can then sell if you want, maybe even to buy other cards. whereas historic seems like they're just going to be adding infinite wc sinks every month and if you want, you can participate. seems really bad though, the economy in arena is hosed.
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Jul 27, 2021 21:25
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I play Arena every three days and as a result, I have never spent any money on it. That's not really an option with paper Magic. I think Modern is a great format but I can't afford to build Jund.
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Jul 27, 2021 21:31
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that may be for the better because jund has mostly been terrible for the last few years
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Jul 27, 2021 21:53
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You can get any rare for 6 dollars on arena through wildcards, and mythic for 36. But honestly I'm always stuck with extra mythic wildcards and starving for rares so let's be kind and say 6*75 for any arena deck. That's 450. 2700 for 75 mythics. The top 3 Modern decks according to mtggoldfish cost 1000, 1300, and 1700, so I'm going to say Historic is cheaper. But since the pandemic most Modern costs 30 a month because that's what a rental is, so that's cheaper. Also going infinite on MTGO and Paper is easier than arena because you can never turn cards back into currency.
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Jul 27, 2021 21:54
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hey mom its 420 posted:it's hard to say it's cheaper, but you get more for your money. actual cards that you own physically and can then sell if you want, maybe even to buy other cards. Even if you wave away the part where you may not get market value on your cardboard if you want to divest yourself of a deck and the potential costs of shipping, packaging and labour spent actually selling your cards to prospective buyers (esp if you don't live in the US) you're still looking at like $1,000+ to start playing with a top tier deck in Modern which is a large sum for the average player to swallow just to try it out. At the same time you get more "use" out of a Historic collection because you can play Historic games any time of the day, any day of the week while Modern requires either playing in person, which is fine but a completely seperate experience or playing on MTGO which is kind of insane in 2021. But also for some perspective saying the Arena economy is hosed is very strange when you're suggesting that blowing $400 on cardboard depicting fantasy lands is a good economy because you might be able to sell it back at that price when you're bored (but more likely just sit in a basement).
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Jul 27, 2021 21:56
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Honestly, if WotC would let me toss them like.. let's say $30 a month to be comparable to MTGO rental services so that I could play whatever deck I want in whatever format is on Arena I'd play a lot more Arena because I love experimenting with terrible jank But outside of that, magic is way more of a social game to me so I just don't really play online.
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Jul 27, 2021 22:01
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yeah, i guess it depends on what you value more personally. I also prefer playing in person and value physical cards way more over online ones. in paper, it's also possible to borrow cards that you're missing if you're into that, or just get a loaner deck from someone in the scene to try it out. anyway, I wasn't trying to say one is cheaper/better than the other. just musing that I won't be investing money into historic anymore since they're putting in so many wc sinks that it just makes sense for me to spend money on paper because I like it more.
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Jul 27, 2021 22:28
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flatluigi posted:i blame a lot of pioneer's lack of pickup on the pandemic and i think once in-play picks up & pioneer ends up on arena to live alongside historic being "arena modern" it'll get rejuvenated Modern is also not on arena and is doing fine. Pauper is doing badly because it sucks rear end, and it sucks rear end because it doesn’t really have a good reason to exist. Pioneer was invented to solve a problem that is completely artificial (“modern is too expensive”). Modern could be as cheap as WOTC wants because everything in it is reprintable; they’ve just chosen not to. So ultimately pioneer suffers from a lot of the same problems as modern (limited supply of key cards) but without modern’s upside (getting to play with powerful cards from arguably the best design era in the game’s history, roughly Ravnica through Innistrad).
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Jul 27, 2021 22:43
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fadam posted:The Walking Dead crossover didn't kill Magic. This thinking is why the Walking Dead Secret Lair will kill magic.
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Jul 27, 2021 22:54
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Anyway I hope digital-only cards means stuff like Crystaline Giant and Goblin Test Pilot that are as close to digital-only as possible already stop happening.
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Jul 27, 2021 23:02
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I'm fine with this as long as it stays in Historic. The second you start seeing a couple of "digital" only cards released in Standard sets that are just excluded in paper packs and you will know poo poo is in trouble.
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Jul 28, 2021 06:01
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Jul 28, 2021 13:43
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Kraken Hatchling is a 0/4 for U.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:49
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DangerDongs posted:I'm fine with this as long as it stays in Historic. The second you start seeing a couple of "digital" only cards released in Standard sets that are just excluded in paper packs and you will know poo poo is in trouble. Wotc profits (maybe just revenue?) was up %60+ in their earnings call a week ago, and It’s probably safe to say a big chunk of that was arena. There’s absolutely a tension that’s going to come into play where designers and the company as a whole won’t want to be restricted by papers limitations, but I don’t think that’s a conversation that’s going to get serious for like 5 or more years.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:53
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Kraken Hatchling is a 0/4 for U. I feel embarrassed to remember that just from having seen it played before
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Jul 28, 2021 14:00
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It’ll happen sooner than you think because unless your LGS requires proof of vaccination to play then I think sanctioned play is gonna shut down again since the US gonna hit 200k cases in few weeks but what the gently caress do I know lmao
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Jul 28, 2021 14:18
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Koirhor posted:It’ll happen sooner than you think because unless your LGS requires proof of vaccination to play then I think sanctioned play is gonna shut down again since the US gonna hit 200k cases in few weeks but what the gently caress do I know lmao Haha no way buddy, liberals in this country are convinced its back to normal bc we have a dem in the presidency. We're riding the covid express to a million
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Jul 28, 2021 14:29
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mandatory lesbian posted:Haha no way buddy, liberals in this country are convinced its back to normal bc we have a dem in the presidency. We're riding the covid express to a million It's very likely you have brain cancer. Please seek help. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 28, 2021 14:42
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mandatory lesbian posted:Haha no way buddy, liberals in this country are convinced its back to normal bc we have a dem in the presidency. We're riding the covid express to a million I think the folks who won’t get vaxxed and are to blame aren’t usually liberal.
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Jul 28, 2021 14:45
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Sickening posted:I think the folks who won’t get vaxxed and are to blame aren’t usually liberal. The delta strain infects vaxxed people! But i more mean the administration's constant backtracking on mask mandates and the soon to be up eviction stoppage is gonna cause it to get much much worse in america
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Jul 28, 2021 14:47
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Sickening posted:I think the folks who won’t get vaxxed and are to blame aren’t usually liberal. no he said they "are convinced its back to normal", just like the regressives are and since both parties agree there wont be another way
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Jul 28, 2021 14:49
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I actually love this card.
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Jul 28, 2021 14:50
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YggdrasilTM posted:I actually love this card. This could actually be doable in paper, right? As long as you had a checklist card, there's no hidden information. You have to reveal the merfolk or land you exile to prove you exiled the right card. It would even still work if you brainstormed it into your deck. They could even print incredibly rare Tropical Island token cards with real backs!
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Jul 28, 2021 14:53
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There aren't going to be any new lockdowns, there is zero political will for it. LGSs (and other businesses) may require proof of vaccination, whatever. If you're vaccinated and wearing a mask you're more than likely going to be fine. The uptick in cases are, as mentioned, because of unvaccinated people. Yes, you can get infected if you're vaccinated, but you're almost certainly going to have either extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. Check out the numbers on hospitalizations regarding those who've gotten stuck versus not. Just get vaccinated, wear a mask, go to your LGS and play Magic. If you don't feel comfortable with that that's fine, but don't scold people because they aren't getting hysterical about the latest wave of infections.
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Jul 28, 2021 14:53
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I am going to slide in here and ask you to stop lockdown chat, please, because I fear it will go nuclear sooner rather than later.
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Jul 28, 2021 14:55
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A Moose posted:This could actually be doable in paper, right? As long as you had a checklist card, there's no hidden information. You have to reveal the merfolk or land you exile to prove you exiled the right card. It would even still work if you brainstormed it into your deck. Yes you could make something functionally similar in paper but it would more like garth one-eye. Also it can't be a token because tokens are only allowed to exist on the battlefield.
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Jul 28, 2021 15:06
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A Moose posted:This could actually be doable in paper, right? As long as you had a checklist card, there's no hidden information. You have to reveal the merfolk or land you exile to prove you exiled the right card. It would even still work if you brainstormed it into your deck. The main problem is that they never did "token cards" that can exist in your hand, graveyard or deck. Also they never did token lands, if I remember well.
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Jul 28, 2021 15:06
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TipTow posted:There aren't going to be any new lockdowns, there is zero political will for it. LGSs (and other businesses) may require proof of vaccination, whatever. If you're vaccinated and wearing a mask you're more than likely going to be fine. The uptick in cases are, as mentioned, because of unvaccinated people. Yes, you can get infected if you're vaccinated, but you're almost certainly going to have either extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. Check out the numbers on hospitalizations regarding those who've gotten stuck versus not. I went to go play for the first time in over a year on Sunday and the place was packed, no one wearing a mask. I was half way to a panic attack two steps past the door and went home.
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Jul 28, 2021 15:07
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HootTheOwl posted:I went to go play for the first time in over a year on Sunday and the place was packed, no one wearing a mask. I was half way to a panic attack two steps past the door and went home. I would have done the same, but: potatocubed posted:I am going to slide in here and ask you to stop lockdown chat, please, because I fear it will go nuclear sooner rather than later.
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Jul 28, 2021 15:09
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potatocubed posted:I would have done the same, but: My bad, I was more saying "I'm personally not ready to go back to magic" and not saying anything about lockdowns.
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Jul 28, 2021 15:16
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YggdrasilTM posted:The main problem is that they never did "token cards" that can exist in your hand, graveyard or deck. Also they never did token lands, if I remember well. Token lands are doable (though you're right, never done), they just cause issues since lands are generally kept in pile so it's easy to forget they're there like after the game. The rules already support bringing cards in from outside the game, I don't see why it couldn't be expanded to add arbitrary cards, but it would be a nightmare in practice, since it would need to be something indistinguishable from a card in hidden zones, meaning you'd need a stack of acceptable objects instead of whatever's handy, and you need to be sure to pull them out of whatever zone they're in when the game's over.
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Jul 28, 2021 15:30
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There are a few ways you can make token lands (in addition to turning creatures into lands) mostly in blue; Replication technique, Orvar, and Mythos of Illuma
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Jul 28, 2021 15:36
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Yeah, if you use target an activated mutavault with an aether mimic all the token will enter as lands, right?
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I suppose the game doesn't really have language for creating an object outside the battlefield that didn't start in your deck or sideboard. Like maybe if the Tropical Island cards existed in the command zone and got moved to your hand when you played that card, but they'd have to take up a sideboard slot. Which still might be worth it. Also, does this mean Tropical Island is historic legal?
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