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The part that annoys me the most is that three of the books we're still waiting on are the TAG book, the ship book, and the tech book. Why the hell are these at the back of the line?!
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Jul 27, 2021 11:06
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Maybe their redefined strategy shouldn't have been "fail as hard as possible"?
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Jul 27, 2021 11:13
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I would love to know how licensing for something like this works. Wouldn't they be out a huge amount of money already just for having to purchase a WoW license, never mind all the other work/money that clearly went into the kickstarter?
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Jul 27, 2021 13:58
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InternetJunky posted:I would love to know how licensing for something like this works. Wouldn't they be out a huge amount of money already just for having to purchase a WoW license, never mind all the other work/money that clearly went into the kickstarter? Licensing works however the parties agree to have it work. Royalties and up front fees can be tied to specific events, such as the success of the KS. A large license fee with a lower royalty rate usually favors the IP holder, but it's not the only way to do it.
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homullus posted:Licensing works however the parties agree to have it work. Royalties and up front fees can be tied to specific events, such as the success of the KS. A large license fee with a lower royalty rate usually favors the IP holder, but it's not the only way to do it. I would say that paying a license fee up front and expecting to cover it via Kickstarter is a fairly stupid idea, but *waves hands at the Project.*
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Jul 27, 2021 14:52
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When I worked in Blizzard licensing they didn’t require up front fees or minimum guarantees. The early licensors made buckets of money. I have no idea if that’s changed in the last ten years.
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Jul 27, 2021 15:40
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Bucnasti posted:When I worked in Blizzard licensing they didn’t require up front fees or minimum guarantees. The early licensors made buckets of money. I have no idea if that’s changed in the last ten years. That's kind of eye opening. I always just assumed there was always going to be a huge upfront cost for high value IPs.
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InternetJunky posted:That's kind of eye opening. I always just assumed there was always going to be a huge upfront cost for high value IPs. The philosophy at Blizzard at the time (this was when WoW was at it's height and making unimaginable amounts of money) was that they wanted cool schwag from quality companies more than licensing dollars. The licensing and product development team basically paid for itself but didn't make much more than that. We reported up to Metzen, and he shielded us from a lot of the Activision bullshit, but now that he's gone I'm sure the accountants have taken over. Now I work on the licensor side with multiple AAA IPs, and we have minimum guarantees with them all, so Blizzard was an anomaly.
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Jamey's openness about tabletop business and dollars is one of the most valuable things to come out of SG's success, especially stuff like nitty gritty about how much art costs and such. https://stonemaiergames.com/exactly-how-much-does-a-kickstarter-campaign-cost/
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The Eyes Have It posted:Jamey's openness about tabletop business and dollars is one of the most valuable things to come out of SG's success, especially stuff like nitty gritty about how much art costs and such. Anyone wanting to run a tabletop kickstarter should first read every blog post from Stonemeir games. I avoided a lot of mistakes and pitfalls because I read about them first.
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Earthborne Rangers just launched. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/earthbornegames/earthborne-rangers/description I dunno, $150 (before adding unlisted shipping amount) for just cards is... steep. Sure, the core set is $80, but if you're backing it, you're probably gonna want to go all-in. Guess it's the premium for the whole "sustainability" angle plus the increase in production/shipping costs. I think I'll skip.
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JazzFlight posted:Earthborne Rangers just launched. This looks cool but yeah it also looks expensive. The designer has bona fides in various LCGs, including Arkham, and it sorta shows. One of the add ons even seems to be the equivalent of getting another core set's worth of cards. Arkham Horror is a cool LCG though, so hm.
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JazzFlight posted:Earthborne Rangers just launched. If you read more deeply into it, part of the cost is that he's planning on printing locally for various distribution areas (US, Europe, Asia) rather than relying on the uncertainties of shipping costs. To me, it's not just a "sustainability"/production/shipping premium; it's a "reality" premium. I've got REAL concerns about backing any KS right now that doesn't otherwise directly address the real issues in the supply chain right now because I guarantee that they're either going to be even later or more expensive than what they're currently promising. And that's if they fulfill at all. In theory, I'd like to back them just for being real, but the game has me uncertain on it right now, especially without a rulebook. Suppose we'll see.
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GrandpaPants posted:... One of the add ons even seems to be the equivalent of getting another core set's worth of cards... That point there is when I tuned out and clicked the close button. I don't want to get into another money-pit lcg. It does look fun though, too bad.
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Memnaelar posted:If you read more deeply into it, part of the cost is that he's planning on printing locally for various distribution areas (US, Europe, Asia) rather than relying on the uncertainties of shipping costs. To me, it's not just a "sustainability"/production/shipping premium; it's a "reality" premium.
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JazzFlight posted:Earthborne Rangers just launched. This looks like the board game equivalent of a walking simulator.
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JazzFlight posted:Earthborne Rangers just launched. Yeah I'm tempted by this, I love the theme. But ugh that's a little steep.
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yegods posted:That point there is when I tuned out and clicked the close button. I don't want to get into another money-pit lcg. It does look fun though, too bad. Yup. I'm not sure how they spotted the multiple core set required problem and didn't try to fix it
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They did! You pay for the $150 version and it's fixed 
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Impermanent posted:They did! You pay for the $150 version and it's fixed Man that's a huge upfront cost for 'Just Cards' The dev team seems to have a good pedigree for the genre at the very least.
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Soooooo Deluxe Board Game Train Sets posted an update with samples. How it started  How it's going  Oof.. The Yellow Hornet trains in particular look like loving US school buses  quote:3) Why don't the trains look glossy like the computer renders on the Kickstarter page? Trying to spin this as the better option doesn't look great. Seriously considering requesting a refund.
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Infinitum posted:Soooooo Deluxe Board Game Train Sets posted an update with samples. Given the choice between something that looks good but deteriorates if not cared for or something that never looks good, I assume most wouldn't pick the latter. I feel like if they had designed them based on the limitations they could have made them look good, but this just seems like a lower resolution without caring how it actually looks. Outside of the black train they mostly look like they are just fancy erasers rather than models,
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Infinitum posted:Seriously considering requesting a refund. This is worse than the Terraforming Mars Big Box tiles. I'd definitely request one.
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Infinitum posted:Soooooo Deluxe Board Game Train Sets posted an update with samples. They really should researched better before launching the KS. Only subsequently announcing that you can't make the pieces you promised is bad. nonathlon fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Infinitum posted:Soooooo Deluxe Board Game Train Sets posted an update with samples. Wow , I'm glad i neglected the pledge manager and never got around to upgrading to the all-in tier. I might still grab a set of the black ones, since those look okay matte, but the green ones in particular look dire
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Infinitum posted:Soooooo Deluxe Board Game Train Sets posted an update with samples. That's pretty bad. When was that KS started? The price of plastic and such has gone up since the pandemic started. Maybe they weren't expecting that (who could?) if they started before the pandemic. E: It started (or at least made its goal) April 6, 2020, and I'm sure they started planning well before that, so it sucks, but it does make sense. Doctor Zero fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Doctor Zero posted:That's pretty bad. When was that KS started? April 6th 2021 (ended Apr 29th)
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Oh wow those yellow ones are. 100% school busses.
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Tiny plastic trains? Complete fingerprint magnets, those are. Everyone knows that.
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Echophonic posted:Tiny plastic trains? Complete fingerprint magnets, those are. Everyone knows that. yeah. its 💯 after the fact justification for now wanting to spend the money some of the other pics the non yellow trains look better, though i think no amount of machine painting can save the school bus
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Hi, I had an unknown charge for a few cents on my card and looking up info on the charge brought me to a thread from 2020 talking about a data leak somewhere that resulted in a bunch of discover cards being hit for penny charges. I guess that's happening to some other cards now. I only ever used this card for steam purchases, drivethrurpg, and kickstarter/pledge managers, so there's a good chance that a data breach could have something to do with kickstarter. I don't know 100% if it's because of them or because of a particular pledge manager or a specific merchant (idk how much of the card information is shared between the KS and merchant or the pledge manager and merchant) but probably worth checking to make sure you don't have any odd charges for only a few cents.
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I've just requested a refund via Backerkit as I late pledged, literally the first time I've done that on a Kickstater project. All up I dropped $123 AUD on them with shipping, but what they showed doesn't reflect the premium price point I paid - this isn't Deluxe. Like I 100% understand and appreciate that prices have gone up, but I feel that the decision to go matte without input on backers about it and then trying to spin it as A Good Thing wasn't the correct way to approach this. It's not a huge thing, but another part of the update that left a bad taste in my mouth was that they finished with this link https://giphy.com/clips/rickandmorty-season-4-rick-and-morty-s4e7-laSq9MHF5GC5POOxnT Like.. I get that it was meant to be in jest, but don't present your backers with an update about a downgrade and then tell them that all they're good for is spending money. I can't unsee the Yellow train as a US School Bus   
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I don't know why this was treated by goons any differently than a kickstarter with only model renders. They're commonly dismissive of high model count games and such. Oh wait, I know why: TRAINS.
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They should have talked to 9th Level, the trains in Empyreal are really nice.
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gschmidl posted:This is worse than the Terraforming Mars Big Box tiles. I'd definitely request one.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:What happened with those? Promise:  Reality: :strip_icc()/pic6160496.jpg) Also the box is very badly designed: sometimes doesn't hold sleeved cards of the optionally purchaseable sleeves, doesn't hold the assembled tiles, and at one point just gave up and added two "just ditch the rest in here" wells (while providing a dedicated well for the optional-buy first player marker to waste space). There's like a dozen STLs for organizing the stuff they were too lazy to organize in their own Big Box on Thingiverse. gschmidl fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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dwarf74 posted:Oh wow those aren't even anywhere near "reddish" I was going to go find Fryxelius' "well ACTUALLY Mars is kinda yellowish" excuse but instead found the fuckup thread has been expanded by "my tiles are falling apart" and "the sleeves split when you try to shuffle the cards". ...oh, and they accidentally packed the metal cubes separately. No, separately. :strip_icc()/pic6151320.jpg) e: found a close-up /pic6130110.jpg)
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