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how does the West Bank not count as an occupied territory? it's literally administered by the Israeli military. it fits every definition of an occupation.
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punishedkissinger posted:how does the West Bank not count as an occupied territory? it's literally administered by the Israeli military. it fits every definition of an occupation.
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Jul 22, 2021 13:37
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Yawgmoft posted:I don't think Palestinian sections of the West Bank count as occupied, but also did Israel let Palestinians have ice cream in the first place? 1) this is an odd take to me, Gaza is still a place inhabited by actual human beings with an actual economy and, indeed, google suggests there are at least ten ice cream shops in the Gaza Strip - which is admittedly too few for the population density there was also a whole thing the other month when Israel blew up a Gaza ice cream factory for giggles 2) the West Bank has even more of an actual functioning economy, for the moment 3) you already got lolled at for this but the West Bank is if anything occupieder than the Gaza Strip, Israel has stolen most of the land worth stealing in the Gaza Strip but there are still tensions in the West Bank over Palestinians having nice things that Israeli settlers would prefer to have
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Jul 22, 2021 13:44
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The West Bank is littered with settlements and Israeli troops Gaza is just surrounded on all sides by Israeli troops They are both bad in different ways, although for the time being the Israelis haven’t managed to turn the West Bank into an outdoor prison like they have with Gaza
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Jul 22, 2021 14:53
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HootTheOwl posted:Ok so if I have it right: Unilever announced that they were going to stop selling in the Occupied Territories, and would not renew the license of their manufacturing partner in the area, but that they would continue to sell in Israel via a different arrangement. Legally, Unilever's purchase of Ben and Jerry's came with the creation of an independent board with considerable power to prevent executive meddling, mostly through the fact that there are a lot of things Unilever can't do without that board's explicit approval. And making a decision like this, or issuing a statement like this, are both things that require approvals from that board. Despite that, Unilever did not get the board's approval for either the statement or the decision. The board has been pushing for some time to stop selling in the settlements, but Unilever executives have been delaying and dragging their feet. Meanwhile, the board has not taken a clear public stance (as far as I can tell) on whether they should keep selling in Israel at all. So a sudden unilateral statement like this from Unilever feels like a clear attempt to preempt the board's right to decide, giving them one thing they were pushing for and using it as an excuse to cut off another thing the board might possibly have pushed for if given the chance. The board has not openly taken a stance on whether Ben and Jerry's should remain in Israel. But whether it does or not is up to the board to decide, not Unilever. And Unilever unilaterally decided that question on its own, without getting the board's approval. That is what Ben and Jerry's is mad about : per the agreement signed when BnJ was purchased, Unilever does not have the authority to make that decision on its own, but did so anyway.
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Jul 22, 2021 16:05
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I hope the B&J board actually make a thing of it against Unilever, I like ice cream but I crave an end to this apartheid system.
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Jul 22, 2021 16:29
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Just as an update I looked into it and from what I am seeing the consensus is that this distributor didn't distribute to Palestinians areas anyway so all the takes about this only negatively affecting Palestinians who want ice cream are apparently bunk.
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Jul 22, 2021 18:10
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punishedkissinger posted:how does the West Bank not count as an occupied territory? it's literally administered by the Israeli military. it fits every definition of an occupation. I didn't invent the terminology. When people refer to "the Occupied Territories" in the West Bank it means the settlements.
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Jul 22, 2021 18:15
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I didn't invent the terminology. When people refer to "the Occupied Territories" in the West Bank it means the settlements. The Mirriam-Webster English Dictionary defines an occupied territory as
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Jul 22, 2021 18:19
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Main Paineframe posted:Unilever announced that they were going to stop selling in the Occupied Territories, and would not renew the license of their manufacturing partner in the area, but that they would continue to sell in Israel via a different arrangement. Thank you
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Jul 22, 2021 20:59
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I didn't invent the terminology. When people refer to "the Occupied Territories" in the West Bank it means the settlements. I think you might have invented the terminology. Occupied Palestinian Territory typically refers to the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. The military occupation of Palestine is a related but seperate issue from the ethnic cleansing of Palestine via settlements. Wikipedia: The term "Palestinian territories" has been used for many years to describe the territories occupied by Israel since 1967, namely the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has referred to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as "the Occupied Palestinian Territory" and this term was used as the legal definition by the ICJ in the ruling in July 2004.[7] More recently, the official United Nations (UN) terminology[8] has been used, occupied Palestinian territory[9][10][11] (OPT or oPt) increasingly replacing other terms since 1999.[12] The European Union (EU) also has adopted this usage.[13][14] Institute of Middle East Understanding: The Occupied Territories are the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. "Occupied Palestinian Territories" or simply "Palestinian territories" is sometimes used to refer to the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, excluding the (Syrian) Golan Heights.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I didn't invent the terminology. When people refer to "the Occupied Territories" in the West Bank it means the settlements. Even if you don’t consider Area A to be occupied (which I think is already disingenuous at best), there’s no reasonable definition of “occupied” that wouldn’t extend to Area B, which includes an awful lot of the population.
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Jul 23, 2021 08:57
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Can we get "but no ice cream" added to the thread title tia
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Jul 23, 2021 19:26
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It would be funny if Unilever has to sue to end these stupid anti-BDS laws that are blatantly unconstitutional https://twitter.com/byyourlogic/status/1418640878810419201?s=21
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Jul 23, 2021 19:49
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Is this letter claiming that NY pension funds are invested in a foreign country? Is that true?
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eSports Chaebol posted:Even if you don’t consider Area A to be occupied (which I think is already disingenuous at best), there’s no reasonable definition of “occupied” that wouldn’t extend to Area B, which includes an awful lot of the population. That I have the big brain power to comprehend a Ben and Jerry’s presser does not mean I think the West Bank as a whole is not occupied
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Jul 24, 2021 21:40
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Do we know what the "or else" part of the Unilever/B&J contract is if Unilever doesn't adhere to the board's decisions? I have to imagine the B&J lawyers made certain to get ironclad language in there.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Do we know what the "or else" part of the Unilever/B&J contract is if Unilever doesn't adhere to the board's decisions? I have to imagine the B&J lawyers made certain to get ironclad language in there. The board is guaranteed the ability to sue Unilever, at Unilever's expense, for breaching the agreement.
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Jul 24, 2021 22:32
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VitalSigns posted:Can we get "but no ice cream" added to the thread title tia Israel/Palestine 2021: The Rocky Road to peace is full of Half Baked ideas.
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HootTheOwl posted:Israel/Palestine 2021: The Rocky Road to peace is full of Half Baked ideas.
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Jul 27, 2021 22:20
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No ice cream for you!! Are B&J... the ice cream Nazis?
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https://twitter.com/MairavZ/status/1420344436341579777?s=19
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mobby_6kl posted:No ice cream for you!! Nah, but the Knesset is a bunch of Chunky Monkeys
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Jul 28, 2021 17:08
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There has actually been some updates to this, all the Labor and Meretz members pulled their names and reaffirmed commitment to a two state solution, so some good-ish news for once.
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https://twitter.com/Mondoweiss/status/1423418679396642816quote:In the long-awaited court hearing on Monday, the court refused to rule on the status of ownership over the land, instead proposing that the Palestinians remain in their homes under the status of “protected residents.” Je-sus "hey we don't want to look bad by making an obviously unjust and bullshit ruling, so could you just maybe agree to let the other guys steal your land as long as we say you can still live there, oh but you have to pay them rent, and they can still evict you anyway" -A court of law E: holy gently caress quote:Following the court hearing, Palestinians took to social media to express their rejection of the Supreme Court’s proposal, with many pointing to the fact that Palestinians cannot expect to receive justice from a court where one of the judges himself is a settler.
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Aug 6, 2021 14:59
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Had an odd debate on reddit- to the extent you can debate anything on reddit- where I was trying to expain that there is an entire system set up in the Israeli government to take over Palestinian land. Their proof that there wasn't a systemic attempt to take Palestinian land was a Israeli Supreme Court decision that said Israel had a right to Palestinian land.
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Checks out, can't have a system to take Palestinian land if the Supreme Court ruled Palestinians don't have a right to own land QED
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VitalSigns posted:Checks out, can't have a system to take Palestinian land if the Supreme Court ruled Palestinians don't have a right to own land QED
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Aug 6, 2021 18:47
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Interesting longer article about the very possibly made up evidence used to convict the local head of WorldVision and delving into how a lot of criminal cases against Palestinians are rigged in a similar manner: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/19/aid-worker-mohammed-el-halabi-gaza-israel-trial-largest-theft-aid-money-history
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Aug 19, 2021 08:12
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The Israeli government today designated all of the major Palestinian aid orgs as 'terrorist groups', which is definitely not a sign that you are running an apartheid state https://twitter.com/praisegodbarbon/status/1451616433889325059?s=20
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"there is no aid crisis in the so called state of palestine, If there was there would be aid organisations there! Anyway, this is why we can bulldoze a bunch of people to death in their houses now."
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Nov 28, 2021 00:52
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The only certified aid that can come into the country is facilitated by IAF bombers
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Nov 28, 2021 01:35
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it's not that I don't believe you and could just go digging myself, but do you have something that isn't a deleted tweet
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Nov 28, 2021 12:24
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This action from October appears to be the basis for the claim. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/23/1048690050/israel-palestinian-human-right-groups
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Nov 28, 2021 22:46
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"other aid organizations exist. 7 Pinocchii"-American fact checkers
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The majority of those aren't aid groups at all - they're human rights groups whose goal is to document Israeli human rights abuses, not to distribute charity funding.
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Main Paineframe posted:The majority of those aren't aid groups at all - they're human rights groups whose goal is to document Israeli human rights abuses, not to distribute charity funding. Informing the world of their human rights abuses creates terror therefore their actions are a form of terrorism.
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HootTheOwl posted:Israel/Palestine 2021: The Rocky Road to peace is full of Half Baked ideas.
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https://twitter.com/OmarBaddar/status/1467152288749924354?t=wjsHSaer6DQMtwVIglOvWA&s=19 Video of occupation forces murdering a prone Palestinian in Jerusalem in broad daylight, then attacking othershttps://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1467149204091023361?t=DUolh3c9wnmCSZmdJ7v3vQ&s=19
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Cugel the Clever posted:https://twitter.com/OmarBaddar/status/1467152288749924354?t=wjsHSaer6DQMtwVIglOvWA&s=19 For what it is worth, the guy they shot had just randomly stabbed someone else, then tried to stab one of them. Seems like he was prone because he was already shot after trying to stab one of them. Idf is garbo AF, and that isn't an excuse for judge dreading someone. Just extra context. Caros fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Dec 4, 2021 |
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