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berzerkmonkey posted:Some of the titan weapons have spaces for magnets, so you might want to reconsider your stance - it will give you more options when playing. I understand the Warhound can be a little bit of a pain in the rear end, however. Haha thank you I will double check the legs.
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The Reaver's lower legs have an eagle sculpted on to them. Some people assume that faces front. It does not. An armour plate sits on the front, and the eagle is visible from the rear. With the Warlords you have way less leeway at the ankles than you think. If you tilt the lower leg too far in any direction relative to the foot the armour plates won't go on properly, so make sure to dry fit the armour when positioning the legs. Also make sure that the big cog at the top of the lower leg is facing forward. 
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The Reaver's lower legs have an eagle sculpted on to them. Some people assume that faces front. It does not. An armour plate sits on the front, and the eagle is visible from the rear. I'd also add that you can't have the lower legs lean in too much towards the midline or the armour panels won't fit. I'd assemble the warlord/reaver legs with the little pistons that join the foot to the lower leg but keep all the panels (shin/knee/thigh) separate. Loadout-wise it depends on if you're going to paint the starter set all as one force. Ideally magnetise (That's what I did. You just need to carve up the arms a bit although less if you don't want to use close combat weapons - you can glue the arms in and just stick a magnet on the bottom) but fixed options for the reavers would be melta/gatling/turbolaser destructor and volcano/laser blaster/missile launcher.
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If anyone happens to have the old Hell Strider, Hell Knight and Hell Scourge minis for Epic40k, would they mind taking photos of the front, side, rear and top-down views for me? I want to make sure I have proportions right when I try to convert Imperial Knights into them and not miss anything major on the details.
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Idea I had for a minigeddon Eldar list: Biel-Tan list (modified for minigeddon) -150pts - Guardians, 1 farseer and 7 guardians -150pts - Guardians, 1 farseer and 7 guardians -150pts - Guardians, 1 farseer and 7 guardians -350pts - 1 Revenant Titan -150pts - Warwalkers, 4 war walkers -50pts Webway Portal 5 activations, a titan, and the ability to spit guardians out the portal, big gambles for a potential payoff. The Titan has to essentially hold its own early in the game, avoiding getting swarmed all while drawing in your opponent for the guardian assualts. The war walkers would likely last a turn, but could screen the revenant.
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I haven't played minigeddon, but my e:a army is biel-tan, so I have some comments that might be helpful. I'd be a bit concerned by the lack of ranged shooting. Guardians are assault-fodder, basically, and with no unit upgrades like heavy weapons/support platforms, they're likely to get shot to pieces without being able to respond. The 15cm speed is less of an issue on a smaller play table, so that's fine. Note that you can replace up to three Guardian stands with heavy weapons platforms for free (by NetEA rules, which I assume you're using) so maybe do that for one or two stands per guardian warhost? The war walkers are IMO a good unit, with the Scout attribute they can spread out a lot which is nice for claiming objectives while still being partly in cover and other such shenanigans. Their shooting is all at 5+, though, so just 4 of them won't place a ton of BMs on enemy units. The high mobility and scout attribute might be less of a factor on a small table, though. I assume minigeddon rules let you reduce this unit size to 4, normally it's 6 walkers for 200pts. Revenant titans are IMO fantastic and I can definitely see why you wanted to get one into your list. Pulse weapons are great. This titan has no business getting into melee with another titan, but it has sufficient range and mobility to avoid assaults you don't want it to get into. This is your only accurate shooting in your list, though, with the 2x MW3+ pulse lasers (which roll 2 dice each). Overall I think this might be an OK list to experiment with but you've sacrificed shooting and durability to get both a revenant and five activations. If you do bring it to a table, let us know how it works out!
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100% agree with you, I should be able to bring it to the table this coming weekend. I will report back. I really wrestled with the idea of adding heavy weapons, and still might for one, but am leaning towards the guardians just head-long charging into firefights out of the portal. I toyed with the idea of dropping a unit of guardians to add wraithguard to one of the units. However I feel like the extra activation over most minigeddon armies would be well worth it for lining up some great assualts at the end of the round. A quick note, Biel-Tan in latest NetEA has war walkers as 4 units for 150 pts, with the option to upgrade to 6 at 200 pts. I prefer them at 6, as at 4 they feel like expensive sentinals at times, but this list could only fit 4. I also think they are a good unit, but that doesn't seem to be the case for most. They tend to get underestimated, and I've had them set up some killer crossfires. I saved 3 hits about 2 weeks back in a game, that was insanely lucky though.
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Minigeddon sounds like a good time. I wonder if a similarly constrained ruleset exists for Warmaster... I'd like to start playing that again but I need to keep the scope of my hobby ambitions under control.
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Squibsy posted:Minigeddon sounds like a good time. I wonder if a similarly constrained ruleset exists for Warmaster... I'd like to start playing that again but I need to keep the scope of my hobby ambitions under control. What's wrong with Warmaster? It's already scaled down and a pretty easy system IMO
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berzerkmonkey posted:What's wrong with Warmaster? It's already scaled down and a pretty easy system IMO Oh totally, I love Warmaster. I am wondering if there's any kind of community convention for playing small scale battles with the system, which is what MiniGeddon seems to be The game doesn't seem to accommodate lists of less than 1,000 points, due to minimum unit counts and the like
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Squibsy posted:Oh totally, I love Warmaster. I am wondering if there's any kind of community convention for playing small scale battles with the system, which is what MiniGeddon seems to be Gotcha. I'm not super familiar with Minigeddon, but isn't it more reducing 40K Armageddon down to the more manageable model-wise Epic scale? And if you're looking for under 1K Warmaster, couldn't you do something like Path to Glory / Warbands or some other other WFB variant, and just scale down measurements? Personally, I don't really see the value, being as you're essentially playing a skirmish game at that point, and >1K is very manageable at that scale, but that's just me. Or, you could just halve or drop the unit minimums in WM but keep the existing 50% break point, which will still encourage players to max out on their rank and file and not put so much into the more expensive, harder units.
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Squibsy posted:Oh totally, I love Warmaster. I am wondering if there's any kind of community convention for playing small scale battles with the system, which is what MiniGeddon seems to be You might want to try HOT (Hordes of Things) or Osprey Books' "Dragon Rampant" then.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Gotcha. I'm not super familiar with Minigeddon, but isn't it more reducing 40K Armageddon down to the more manageable model-wise Epic scale? Minigeddon restricts you to 1/3 the usual tournement points value (1kpts) and plays on a 3x4 tables. The rules are all the same, except for creating your army list, where rules prevent you from taking large units that could unbalance the game, such as titans, airplanes, and spacecraft. The result is a game that is a bit easier to learn, as the complicated units such as war engines tend to get left out, all while playing very fast. Having only a cursory understanding of Warmaster, I feel like one could very easily adapt similiar guidelines for a parred down 1000pts game. You would have your core units plus maybe two choices at 1000pts? Would a 3x4 board work at that points level. I know commanders are a big part of the game, would you have enough of them in "minimaster" at 1000 pts to preserve the spirit of a larger game?
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Well, there are a couple of reasons for having multiple characters: 1) Range - Depending on the character type, they can only give a command to a unit within a distinct bubble - Wizards 20cm, Hero - 60cm, and General - entire table. Reducing the table size would reduce the need for so many characters, reducing points 2) Redundancy - If a character fails to give an order, you move to another character and continue giving orders. You often start by shortest command range (Wizard > Hero > General) but with table size being reduced in 1), and the number of units reduced simply by points, again, the need for characters is reduced 3) Unit buffs and magic - again, fewer, smaller units will lessen the need for expensive characters with magic items and/or buffing a unit if you decide to do so (risky at the best of times anyway) For a sub 1K game, I would say remove the general option altogether. For most armies, you have a hard cap on other heroes/wizards, so I think that would be acceptable - you need to be able to move units. Other than that, the lists are pretty self-regulating - a unit of Chaos Knights is 200 points, so there is a big chunk of your army. Do you really want that much of your Break Point tied up in one unit? That would be the decision you'd have to make.
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I haven't seen Revolutions, but Warmaster was set up to build armies in 1000 point intervals. (Every thousand points has a minimum of X units and maximum Y other units.) You should be able to do a thousand points without any extra work, maybe just a smaller table.
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I've seen variants for <1000 points. Ignore break points and allow the option to use a hero as the general instead of the usual general. Use the same unit restrictions as if you were playing 1k.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Well, there are a couple of reasons for having multiple characters: These are good thoughts. I may tinker with halving unit requirements and allowances, remove Generals, play on a 3x4' table, and set points caps at 500-750 or so. The reason why I want to explore this is that I'm hoping to indoctrinate my gaming group into playing Warmaster, but to do this I will need to provide all of the armies and terrain. Playing shorter games will probably also be helpful.
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I think certain armies really need their general because they're unique tho. Like the Skaven Grey Seer, who is one of the rare generals that's also a wizard. But other armies would want to dump their general in small games because you have to spend too many points for them.
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Also a good point!
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Also certain armies may not have heroes that are appropriate to be generals. Tomb Kings don't have a hero equivalent to their Tomb King general for example, but you could easily create a Tomb Prince AND ditching break points might screw up certain armies like Bretonnia. You might have to have a special rule that says they are defeated if there are no Knights left on the table or something.
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Squibsy posted:These are good thoughts. I may tinker with halving unit requirements and allowances, remove Generals, play on a 3x4' table, and set points caps at 500-750 or so. If teaching is the intention, I would say 1K points is probably what you want to do, and leave the general. I only say this because you want to teach people how to play the game. 1K will significantly shorten play time, and if you try to have line infantry, missile troops, and cav, you're going to hit your point limit pretty quickly. Though, TBH, WM really works at 2K and above - 1K doesn't really allow for a lot of options or tactics that a larger army can take advantage of. If you're concerned about cost: https://ordinarygaming.blogspot.com/p/warmaster-counters.html. It's not optimal, but it will work for your purposes.
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Here’s the Underworlds warbands I’ve gotten done over the past couple months:   
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I see what you've done and I love it.
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My dream for a long time has been for Kill Team to follow the Underworlds -> Age of Sigmar model of "bespoke, original models that have their own warscroll that can be used in the main game." I am hoping this is the case! Because spending $150 on multiple boxes to build a decent Kill Team is the fundamental error that both OG Kill Team and Newcromunda have made. Also on the symbol movement, I think it's a good idea. Symbols (at least to me as a new player) would be easier to remember than a million different movement/firing range profiles. These new movement gauges ... I assume they're just going to be small rulers with the symbols clearly displayed on them. They aren't going to be like giant blast templates are they ... because if they are  Tiny Chalupa posted:Not feeling optimistic about snagging the new kill team on pre order moths posted:I see what you've done and I love it. I also love it.
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It could go either way. The Krieg set doesn't look like it as it seems it can be built to different configurations - I think they said on stream that it had enough lasguns for most, if not all, of the ten figures, along with its various special weapons choices - but the Kommando set looks like it has more of a set build.
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I assume that future kill teams will have 40k rules too as apparently the upcoming Kommandos have em in the new Ork codex
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DrDraxium posted:My dream for a long time has been for Kill Team to follow the Underworlds -> Age of Sigmar model of "bespoke, original models that have their own warscroll that can be used in the main game." There was a literal genius in this thread that suggested you could, in fact, do a Blackstone Fortress with UW and so some fun 40k ones, but set it in Trazyn's museum or whatever. I think that would be pretty sick
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:There was a literal genius in this thread that suggested you could, in fact, do a Blackstone Fortress with UW and so some fun 40k ones, but set it in Trazyn's museum or whatever. I think that would be pretty sick Warhammer Quest Collector's Edition sounds rad.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:There was a literal genius in this thread that suggested you could, in fact, do a Blackstone Fortress with UW and so some fun 40k ones, but set it in Trazyn's museum or whatever. I think that would be pretty sick That does sound immensely good!
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You can literally just say the fantasy creatures are just weird poo poo Trazyn's found on planets, and for the Sigmar guys, say they're from the realm of chaos. Just one season with 40k stuff. Marines/Chaos Marines starter - they literally already have push-fit stuff, then five warbands - Genestealers, Orks, Eldar, Tau and something else, idk and they'd probably sell like gangbusters.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I assume that future kill teams will have 40k rules too as apparently the upcoming Kommandos have em in the new Ork codex Kommandos already had rules for over a decade, this is just a new kit for them with a few more options
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AnEdgelord posted:Kommandos already had rules for over a decade, this is just a new kit for them with a few more options Kommandos have been a thing for 20 years
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chin up everything sucks posted:Kommandos have been a thing for 20 years  "If them sneaky gitz been around for so long, howz it dat I never seen them before?"
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chin up everything sucks posted:Kommandos have been a thing for 20 years In my defense 20 years is indeed over a decade
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AnEdgelord posted:Kommandos already had rules for over a decade, this is just a new kit for them with a few more options I meant specifically for the customization options in the upcoming new kill team kit
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Randalor posted:
They were purple.
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moths posted:I see what you've done and I love it. I don’t, and I feel left out 
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Xenomrph posted:I don’t, and I feel left out The color scheme is skeletor. Which funny enough wasn’t my intent but just ended up that way. It was my wife’s first comment upon seeing them so not sure how I missed it.
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I spent a solid ten minutes trying to figure out if it was an Abbey Road gag based on the fact that one of them was floating more prominently than the others and another had a drum.
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