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Me. A is also a story of just Mr. A being an rear end in a top hat to everyone so that’s probably why Peter was a prick early on
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# ? Jul 28, 2021 21:30 |
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# ? Jul 28, 2021 22:06 |
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Don Gato posted:Also if you've never read them, his Mr. A stories are something else. A better intro to Objectivism and why Objectivism is batshit insane than slogging through any of Ayn Rand's works. drat near anything is better than slogging through Ayn Rand. Having actually read the whole of Atlas Shrugged, I am qualified to say that. (Did that at a young and impressionable age, and learned a valuable lesson: that starting a book does not obligate one to finish it. I did finish that one, but the lesson has saved me many hours over the years since then.)
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# ? Jul 28, 2021 22:37 |
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rydiafan posted:Reminds me of this: https://www.shortpacked.com/comic/false-equivalence yeah, this comic seemed to help hit the point home as well hard counter posted:while i completely understand the point that comic's making, what's going on beneath the surface is probably subtler than pure form because afaik modern scholars talk much more about exaggerated superhero physiques representing a kind of supernormal sexual stimuli than they do about superhero bodies, specifically male superheroes bodies, just being built for mere power fantasy or w/e - essentially, this means all these bodies are caricatures of what we find attractive with the catch that in some cases the caricature may become so extreme, so hyper masculine or so hyper feminine, they could become unappealing to some, but not all, people i guess this is also why i bought into the idea that women liked the hypermasculine look, since i as a straight male, liked the hyperfeminine look and so thought OBVIOUSLY it has to be the same with them!
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# ? Jul 28, 2021 22:44 |
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Groke posted:drat near anything is better than slogging through Ayn Rand. Having actually read the whole of Atlas Shrugged, I am qualified to say that. I got as far as the John Galt speech in Atlas shrugged, and after he had been talking for a page i kept skipping forward to see when the plot would start again and no, it just kept loving going. That's when I dropped that book and never bothered reading another Ayn Rand book.
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# ? Jul 28, 2021 23:06 |
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Don Gato posted:I got as far as the John Galt speech in Atlas shrugged, and after he had been talking for a page i kept skipping forward to see when the plot would start again and no, it just kept loving going. That's when I dropped that book and never bothered reading another Ayn Rand book. I picked Atlas Shrugged up in high school and got about a quarter in, thinking 'This isn't so bad, interesting alternate universe, sure.' Then I got a job and realized the whole thing is the product of someone who'd never worked an actual job in her life.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 01:48 |
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I couldn't even make it through the wiki page for AS Y'all are stronger than I am. I did once pull out https://www.galtse.cx in an rpg when my roll to put someone to sleep worked real well. "Len, tell me. How do you this tree full of birds asleep" The dm had to compose himself because that wasn't what he was expecting
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 02:03 |
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reminder that the Atlas Shrug movie had an iron tight contract that they needed to re create DA SPEECH. also it needed to get Crowdfunding because part 1 bombed.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 06:32 |
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atlas ... sharted
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This was never good, but I'm listening to "372 pages we'll never get back" followup on Armada and they noted how, even if this is supposed to be a nerd fantasy, when the protagonist (that is already losing grades/life to successfully become the best world player for a video game that's super relevant in their society) tries to decide what to do with their life the option "make money playing that video game as a pro player/streamer" is never even mentioned even if the book is from 2015. The 2015 Dota 2 International had a prize pool of $18.5mil and I'm pretty sure Dota 2 is not a secret program created to find the human race's ultimate defender.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 07:09 |
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rydiafan posted:Reminds me of this: https://www.shortpacked.com/comic/false-equivalence Isn't that basically just Nightwing And yeah, it's even a plot point in the comic itself that everyone in universe and out is horny for Batman.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 07:46 |
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That comic is stupid because it's just describing Jojo, which is universally known to be cool and good. The girl character is an idiot.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 08:27 |
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Plethora posted:That comic is stupid because it's just describing Jojo, which is universally known to be cool and good. The girl character is an idiot. Isn't that comic basically just "Male characters can't be sex fantasies because I'm not attracted to this particular type, only female characters can ever be objectified by creepers" ?
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 09:50 |
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My partner has been re-watching My Wife and Kids, and gently caress it's aged badly. There's an episode where Jay goes to her mothers and comes back having gained some weight. The episode revolves around Michael no longer being attracted to Jay and unable to bring himself to sleep with her because he's so repulsed by her weight. At no point in the episode is Michael called out for being the problem and Jay is the antagonist who won't do anything about her weight. It resolves with Michael manipulating Jay by telling her that as long as she's happy, they can just get fat together, leading to Jay having a nightmare that Michael and the kids get extremely overweight. Even for a 00's sitcom it feels incredibly mean spirited. Not just making the fat person the butt of the joke, which was par for the course at the time but actively making them to be a problem and insinuating that a healthy mindset about your normal/slightly overweight build will inevitably lead to morbid obesity.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 10:45 |
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PhazonLink posted:reminder that the Atlas Shrug movie had an iron tight contract that they needed to re create DA SPEECH.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 10:54 |
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the_steve posted:Isn't that comic basically just "Male characters can't be sex fantasies because I'm not attracted to this particular type, only female characters can ever be objectified by creepers" ? No, it's saying that classic, mainstream superhero comics are dripping with "male gaze." They are made by men, for men. Female characters are big-titted sex fantasies with boob windows who constantly pose with their rear end in view, and male characters are just big and muscular. Both of these things are meant to appeal to heterosexual men - the male superheroes are who the men want to be, and the female superheroes are who they want to be with. The problem isn't that the bodies are unrealistic - since, after all, men and women are both portrayed unrealistically - the problem is that the bodies are unrealistic in different ways, both to serve heterosexual men. You never see male superheroes posed with their butts facing the camera, do you? Their big dicks are rarely visibly outlined by their superhero underwear. Because male superheroes are not sexualized to nearly the same degree as female superheroes. The real solution to this problem is to include lots of different characters with a variety of appearances, rather than just two cookie cutters labeled "big strong man" and "sexy lady." But the comic is presenting a humorous "solution" where male superheroes are sexualized as much as the female ones are, to level the playing field. This is called a "joke" and it is meant to be humorous how the male character is made uncomfortable the same way women are made uncomfortable by normal comics. It is not meant to be a statement about what specific things heterosexual women in general find attractive. So yeah, I'm sure there are a few heterosexual women out there who are attracted to a large muscular standoffish man with a strong commitment to family-friendly celibacy, punching bad guys, and disappearing into an alter-ego as soon as the action is over. I'm talking about overall trends, not talking about 100% of all comics and 100% of all comic book fans. And also, the problem isn't any one particular character - in the absence of the wider cultural context, there's nothing wrong with an individual female character who's sexy. But again, we're talking overall trends. You'd be an idiot to not realize that there's a large, systematic problem in the way women are depicted in comic books (and fantasy art in general). To put it another way, there's a reason you don't see nearly as many women as men hanging around comic book shops talking about Batman, and it's not 'cause women don't like fantasy stories or visual storytelling - it's because superhero comics constantly send out the message "this genre is for men," and women see that message and stay away. It is worth saying that comics, and fantasy art in general, have gotten a lot better about this over the last couple decades, and the growing trend of big-budget Hollywood superhero movies (starring real humans with exceptional, but not fantastical, bodies) has helped some, too. But there's still a long way to go. Plethora posted:That comic is stupid because it's just describing Jojo, which is universally known to be cool and good. The girl character is an idiot. I am confused, you say that her idea of sexy male superheroes is like Jojo, and therefore cool and good. And then you call her an idiot? Surely it's the male character, who rejects the sexy male (Jojo-esque?) superhero, who is an idiot??? Or maybe I don't understand what Jojo is like (I only know it from memes) and you mean that mainstream superheroes are like jojo, and so her idea to change them is bad? Help me out here.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 11:02 |
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DACK FAYDEN posted:in fairness, splitting it into three parts just to put the speech in part 3 was a loving genius move because it's what, two hours? And the speech itself still had to be heavily shortened, IIRC because in the book itself it's described as taking thee hours but apparently it takes even longer for a normal person to read. The audiobook version of AS on Audible is 62 hours long, FWIW.
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 11:52 |
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Len posted:I did once pull out https://www.galtse.cx in an rpg when my roll to put someone to sleep worked real well. "Len, tell me. How do you this tree full of birds asleep" That's loving funny. If a player pulled that on me I'd have to give them some sort of bonus because that's the good poo poo I play to see
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 16:48 |
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In addition to this good post I want to link to the Escher Girls blog, which repeatedly points out the issue of the male gaze specifically re: illustrated works. They started with comics but now they've extended the range to basically any commercial media not featuring real women. A screenshot from an article about the blog dated nearly a decade ago, for an example that maybe gets the point across a little more clearly than the shortpacked comic:
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# ? Jul 29, 2021 17:13 |
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Groke posted:drat near anything is better than slogging through Ayn Rand. Having actually read the whole of Atlas Shrugged, I am qualified to say that. My brother sent me her book on how to write when i was young, I read about 50 pages and then told him, this writer is so full of themselves and I have found nothing useful from her telling me how to write. Sounds like I did a good job avoiding reading anything she has written.
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Mooseontheloose posted:My brother sent me her book on how to write when i was young, I read about 50 pages and then told him, this writer is so full of themselves and I have found nothing useful from her telling me how to write. I've stopped reading many books in my time, but Atlas Shrugged is one of the few books I remember stopping reading in disgust. The other being Naked Lunch.
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# ? Jul 30, 2021 10:51 |
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The Fountainhead was the first book i read that i decided i didn't want to finish. Turned me off of Rand and Objectivism but it DID get me into architecture, so i count it as a win overall. Eventually, i turned it into a book safe. Nothing of value was damaged.
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pseudosavior posted:The Fountainhead was the first book i read that i decided i didn't want to finish. Turned me off of Rand and Objectivism but it DID get me into architecture, so i count it as a win overall. It's a better novel than Atlas Shrugged, in that it's not a straight up polemic.Which is a low bar.I also hate the tortured genius who society can't understand in regards to objectivism. Sorry the free market decided your buildings suck rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Jul 30, 2021 12:43 |
The Babylon 5 episode Confessions and Lamentations aged depressingly. In the episode one alien race suffer an outbreak of a deadly virus. The disease is politicized almost immediately and as a result the race dies out. Afterwards people starts to spread a conspiracy theory about how another alien race deliberately infected them.
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 11:07 |
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Plethora posted:Speaking of media that didn't age well, a film expecting us to feel sympathetic to a man who rapes and impregnates his own daughter as a subplot to teach the main character (who bangs his best friend's wife with no repercussions or judgement) a 'very important lesson' didn't age all that great. Was that the plot? I remember orphans, Caine's princes of New England nightly affirmation, and then Caine ODing on the vapors. Literally nothing else.
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Blood Nightmaster posted:In addition to this good post I want to link to the Escher Girls blog, which repeatedly points out the issue of the male gaze specifically re: illustrated works. Did someone say male gaze? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvH7rGg7UR4&t=39s It's just loving embarrassing how blatant this poo poo is.
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 13:37 |
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yeah ultimately comic book poo poo and anime is still for and by manchildren. maybe as they become more and more mainstream (ugh), it'll become less obvious that a bunch of dirty neckbeards wank off to the stuff
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 13:56 |
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yeah I don't know if it tracks that mainstream stuff won't have the same problem with objectification
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 14:03 |
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Comic book poo poo could not be more mainstream at this point. It’s so mainstream now film hipsters hate it CharlestheHammer has a new favorite as of 14:07 on Jul 31, 2021 |
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I was hating comic books way before spiderman came out, but yeah I guess it won't get any better as ultimately all dudes are gross dorky weebs at heart
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Krispy Wafer posted:Was that the plot? I remember orphans, Caine's princes of New England nightly affirmation, and then Caine ODing on the vapors. Literally nothing else. That was the plot after they get to the orchard, yes.
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# ? Aug 1, 2021 03:08 |
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Samovar posted:I've stopped reading many books in my time, but Atlas Shrugged is one of the few books I remember stopping reading in disgust. What was the issue with Naked Lunch?
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Elissimpark posted:What was the issue with Naked Lunch? There's two things wrong with the title.
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Business Casual Breakfast
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# ? Aug 1, 2021 06:45 |
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Dicks Out Dinner
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# ? Aug 1, 2021 08:16 |
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underdressed salad. whore d'oeuvres. soup for sluts
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's two things wrong with the title. gently caress, just walked straight into that one.
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Elissimpark posted:What was the issue with Naked Lunch? The orgy with the person being hanged while a person was loving them on the gallows kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.
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# ? Aug 1, 2021 12:41 |
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Samovar posted:The orgy with the person being hanged while a person was loving them on the gallows kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. .....holy poo poo
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You need to remember that Burroughs was on tremendous amounts of heroin when he wrote it. None of it was meant to be taken literally and can only truly be understood when you yourself have taken a tremendous amount of heroin.
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