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John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

Half Life 2 deathmatch was also pretty underrated. I used to love it. Got really good at doing the trick where you drop a grenade then quickly switch to the gravity gun to pick it up and fire it at folk. Killing people with toilets and radiators was fun too. Good stuff.

Only problem with HL2DM is that it was slowly overtaken by the usual riff raff that wanted every round to be on giant empty maps and you just spent 40 minutes sniping with the magnum or crossbow.

shacked up with Brenda posted:

EDIT: which is of course my bad video game opinion, URU was the best myst game

EDIT: how does post work

URU is both the best and worst Myst game. Has one of the coolest locations in the entire series, but also has loving platforming "puzzles".

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

poverty goat posted:

feels canonical imo

Just like Starfleet captains.

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

JollyBoyJohn posted:

what new games are doing new things since portal?

Tell me you never play new games that aren't triple A shooters or MOBAs without actually telling me that

poverty goat posted:

this is a natural consequence of games getting worse and worse over time

mmmm hmmmm...

Except that isn't really true. It just seems that way to you. There are games that cater to every single interest and type of game that you could imagine. Not to mention you can still play the old ones.

John Murdoch posted:

On the other hand, Gamers are a bunch of reactionary dipshits and their definition of regression is "any change I don't like for any reason".

There's a really stupid assumption that literally every last detail, graphical flourish, whatever from Big Game 1 must absolutely without fail carry forward into Big Games 2, 3, and 4 or else the developers are lazy and the publishers are trying to rob you blind!!!! Which only makes sense if you have literally no understanding of game development whatsoever.

Very true. Not to say they aren't right sometimes, but I find this idea that at some point in the unspecified past games were better than they ever could be now pretty absurd on the face of it. I don't think people properly remember how little choice in terms of games we had back then, and how bad a lot of the games were.

I mean, it's true that we have more bad games than at any point in the past, but the same goes for good games.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Vic posted:

Wait didn't Joker end up loving the ship?

joker's interest is in the ship's AI. shepard just wants to get up in that exhaust pipe

Redezga
Dec 14, 2006

Archer666 posted:

I'm too lazy to look into it, but I always wondered how this differs from the old cartoons like He-Man or Transformers which were made to peddle plastic crap to children. It all seems the same to me, just a different way to sell stuff to kids, and people being upset at it just being caught in the cycle of "Being old and not liking that things are different than when I was a kid".

It's not a personal dig or anything, mind. Just the recent tantrum people have been throwing about the new He-Man got me thinking about this.

I sort of assume I've got at least a little bit of a rose tinted glasses thing going on. Looking back I remember playing a lot of stuff like M.C. Kids, Cool Spot, and that kind of thing without a thought. My dad probably knew he was renting an ad for me to play for the weekend, and even had to use fuel and physically drive me to the video store to get it and return it.

I'd feel bad for my dad if he had to deal with modern efforts made to convince me to convince him that it's not only is it a good idea to pay something like $20 to be a walking Space Jam 2 ad, but essential to my social status among my other little nerd friends that I'm not a "default". Also he has a small window of time to decide before the skin is gone forever (for a few months), and you better believe that the second it's gone there's going be something else cool and priced at several thousand v-bucks available for the next 24 hours every single day that I am still playing this hugely popular otherwise free game available on almost every platform including mobile devices.

Trying to imagine being a parent in that situation I'd hope I could be understanding enough to not get hung up on the negatives, but that doesn't mean the kid or their friends/peers would take the same consideration.

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
i teach 10 year olds and a kid in my class told me that he spent 25 dollars of his own allowance money, 5 weeks worth, to buy an in game item for a JoJos Bizarre Adventure game within roblox. It was an item that lets you know when other items respawn.

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Halloween Jack posted:

Why does her hair vanish the instant before she explodes?

Because it's still in alpha. Even if you try playing it with GeForce NOW and set everything to max it runs like poo poo.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
Pubg/warzone/fortnite but instead of the map shrinking, the players get bigger

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

you can still get into a quake champions game within five minutes, it's not dead. once you get into the first lobby you basically play with the same group of players and the queue goes faster

you will probably get your rear end kicked, though

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

hawowanlawow posted:

you can still get into a quake champions game within five minutes, it's not dead. once you get into the first lobby you basically play with the same group of players and the queue goes faster

you will probably get your rear end kicked, though

just play Unreal Tournament 99, there are dedicated servers still up to this day. match making is bullshit corporate control

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Jestery posted:

Pubg/warzone/fortnite but instead of the map shrinking, the players get bigger

Deeply blessed

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

Rutibex posted:

just play Unreal Tournament 99, there are dedicated servers still up to this day. match making is bullshit corporate control

There are still Quake 2 servers also, which is the least popular Quake.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









The final two, mountainous, eyes slow and luminous as they raise their weapons, vast like monuments

Triarii
Jun 14, 2003

What if one of the players was a lady and she got way bigger than the other players haha and she took her shoes off and started stepping on the other players hahaha

What do you think her feet would smell like haha I want to smell them

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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feet are ok i guess but what if you were all radioactive godzilla monsters getting larger and larger from the ambient radiation and slowly smashing up the city as you grow

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
Making games match making only blows my mind. I never really got a solid answer when devs started doing it, just something about "maintenance and cost". But that doesn't make sense, because a lot of devs put a lot of work into developing and tweaking matchmaking for all the whiny bitches.

It's not even a case of every match being hosted on their servers either, because if you let players host their own servers then you literally aren't paying for server time. That's on the players. As a dev just maintain the registry I guess.

I know realistically the answer is "players having control of their own servers means less control for us" and I hate that. Players being shitheads? Let the server admins deal with that, because honestly a lot of good players that can socialise piss off a bunch of nerds and they should only be kicked from the nerd servers imo.

It was always wonderful to see servers listed like "DM only, bullet time, randomised weapons" and poo poo. It went a great way to lengthening the game's life because you aren't playing the same maps, with the same everything all the time. Go vanilla, go hosed up, who cares.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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I guess because administrating a server works great on PC but is a massive pain in the rear end on console, so as console gamers became the primary audience of most AAA games they started shifting in that direction.
Plus it's pretty overwhelming for a new/casual player to start up a game and get a giant list of 70 different nearby servers with different maps and rulesets compared to no-thinking-required "press butan get gameplay".

Barudak
May 7, 2007

My understanding is

For players: its streamlined and easy to always find full, fair(ish) matches regardless of time of day thus keeping them in and engaged longer

For Companies: Unified approach across console and PC, no need to worry about private servers sidestepping your monetizations

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

I would not be surprised if there was data of a lot of new players starting up a game and seeing the server list of stupid names and going "welp i dunno what to do, seeya"

that might have worked in the 90s when only power nerds play games but they want regular people to play games now.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

If you just join a server and play a bunch of games in a row when do see all the season rewards you got???

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Let's check in to see how my good pal Path of Exile is doing.


https://steamcharts.com/app/238960

Looking good turns out when you nerf pretty much everything in your game people might stop playing it or even not try out the nerfs in the first place.

I prefer matchmaking to servers, because I'm lazy.

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jul 29, 2021

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Caesar Saladin posted:

I would not be surprised if there was data of a lot of new players starting up a game and seeing the server list of stupid names and going "welp i dunno what to do, seeya"

that might have worked in the 90s when only power nerds play games but they want regular people to play games now.

I am an impatient child and quit games that made it too obtuse to just find other humans to play with.

First, travel to the online hub room in the city, and from there you can requisition multiplayer missions. Once other people find your mi--- zzzzzzzzz

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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Duck and Cover posted:

Let's check in to see how my good pal Path of Exile is doing.


https://steamcharts.com/app/238960

Looking good turns out when you nerf pretty much everything in your game people might stop playing it or even not try out the nerfs in the first place.

I prefer matchmaking to servers, because I'm lazy.

On the one hand that game has had ridiculously extreme power creep over its 8 year lifespan and was probably due for a lot of nerfs, but on the other hand players just don't like that stuff regardless of how needed it really is. The struggles of a live service game.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

On the one hand that game has had ridiculously extreme power creep over its 8 year lifespan and was probably due for a lot of nerfs, but on the other hand players just don't like that stuff regardless of how needed it really is. The struggles of a live service game.

A lot of players prefer their games to be bad and this is a source of great distress for game developers.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Duck and Cover posted:

Let's check in to see how my good pal Path of Exile is doing.


https://steamcharts.com/app/238960

Looking good turns out when you nerf pretty much everything in your game people might stop playing it or even not try out the nerfs in the first place.

i didn't stop playing! everyone please follow my Path of Exile: Expedition League lets play
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3973989

Rutibex posted:

Mapping!

Today I will post about my experiences beginning the "end game" of Path of Exile. After defeating Kitava your character and some tag alongs decide to go looting the treasures of the rich guys who are all dead. You end up looting a thing called the "Vault of Venarous" which contains (among other things) something called a "map device". You can feed stone tablets with crude carving into this thing and it will open a planar portal to another world with whatever you carved onto the map! This new device kid of makes us Gods so we start creating(?) new worlds and looting them for treasure. Every time you defeat a map it goes onto a big atlas of all the maps in the game, and you get bonuses the more maps you defeat :black101:




But once you reach a "tier three" map a curious lady calling herself Zana appears. She tells you that you hosed up big time and opening all these portals has caught the attention of some big bad dudes and now they are coming for our home dimension :ohdear: The only way to fix this is for Zana to live on our couch and also we must do missions for her to accomplish some mysterious ends. She says you have to beat up her old room mates and get some gems to put into these slots on the map and its this whole big thing. Its not hard to figure out but if you want to min max it you need to read a wiki. Our character has no objection to this so Zana moves in! She also sells maps which is handy:



The maps also contain random missions from various people who usually want you to help kill things in exchange for unique rewards. First example is Ehinar and beast crafting. You follow this hunter around on the map and kill beasts, then you use the beast to craft certain things. I used beasts to make a better set of potions for example:




There is also Sister Cassia, who needs you to play a tower defense game in order to fight the "blight". This particular mini games feels very tower defense when you are playing totems :v: Sister Cassia can "anoint" amulets with oils that allow you to get a free passive tree node (even if you are not connected to it on the tree). I will be making on of her amulets once I have more money!




You can also find a guy called Tane who stitches together monster parts to make an extra boss on the maps you find him. His "metamorph" bosses are custom made, so you can choose what powers they have, but the powers also come with different rewards so you have to choose wisely :ohdear:


Finally (for this post) there is Nikos Mine. You can collect sulphur on maps which is used to power a "crawler" which goes deep into a treasure cave. The deeper you go the better the treasures, but also the monsters are harder. The most important early use of this system it to grab some special crafting recipes that allow you to customize the colour of your equipment sockets:




Leveling up is much slower in the end game, I only gained 3 levels so far after completing a bunch of maps. I am level 73 now. I will be doing a gear upgrade once I find an Exalted Orb and I have enough money to afford the things I need. Lucky for me the Forbidden Rite play style is very cowardly so I can go "slow and steady" to make forward progress without any upgrades (its just slower). Stay tuned for more updates!


Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

Rutibex posted:

i didn't stop playing! everyone please follow my Path of Exile: Expedition League lets play
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3973989

Jesus christ that sounds awful, I don't miss Diablo at all. I honestly thought you where being sarcastic there for a bit.
Do each their own.

edit: I'm keeping that typo

Serephina fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jul 29, 2021

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Meme Poker Party posted:

A lot of players prefer their games to be bad and this is a source of great distress for game developers.

I think at a certain point the happiness of the players is more important than the developers vision. Yes players are idiots, and yes they may not know what the gently caress they want but sometimes they actually do.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Chris and co. founded the company and called it Grinding Gears. They made their fortune by selling diablo2 items. I think they know exactly who they are dealing with.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Serephina posted:

Jesus christ that sounds awful, I don't miss Diablo at all. I honestly thought you where being sarcastic there for a bit.
Do each their own.

edit: I'm keeping that typo

its is awful, i have a genuine problem

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Rutibex posted:

its is awful, i have a genuine problem

You will click those shards exile! No pain no gain.

edit: "Still sane exile?" HAAHHAAHAAHAHahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaahahaha.

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Jul 29, 2021

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Path of Exhile sucks balls, it belongs with Loadout and Warframe in the "games done much better elsewhere" category

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

i teach 10 year olds and a kid in my class told me that he spent 25 dollars of his own allowance money, 5 weeks worth, to buy an in game item for a JoJos Bizarre Adventure game within roblox. It was an item that lets you know when other items respawn.

When I was like 12 I bought Runescape membership from the phone number you could call. My mom assumed I paid for some weird phone sex stuff and grounded me but I never corrected her, I correctly assumed that Runescape membership was more embarrassing than phone sex

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Path of Exhile sucks balls, it belongs with Loadout and Warframe in the "games done much better elsewhere" category

the other Diablo clones are too slow. except maybe Hades but I don't know if that counts as a diablo (maybe reverse diablo)

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Path of Exhile sucks balls, it belongs with Loadout and Warframe in the "games done much better elsewhere" category

Hahhahahahahaha someone actually remembers Loadout.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica
All I remember from Loadout is when they sabotaged themselves by adding nudity to a mass-appeal-looking game. I'm 80% convinced it was made for tax purposes.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Rutibex posted:

the other Diablo clones are too slow. except maybe Hades but I don't know if that counts as a diablo (maybe reverse diablo)

Hades is a mile long and an inch deep, Diablo by contrast is a 5 mile squared cube, I love them both but they are different games. Path of Exhile is just slow and clunky and too dark and it feels like a game designed by people with zero sense of humour.


Workaday Wizard posted:

Hahhahahahahaha someone actually remembers Loadout.

I only remember Loadout in the context of totally average games bettered by the time they came out. In another universe Loadout is the surprise hit Fortnite became.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

If you drop random loot from enemies I'll probably get bored and not finish your game.

I did somehow beat one of them called Viking: Something Something Midgard and in addition to being obscenely mediocre, I did not once find a single weapon better than what I was holding from around 2/3rds of the game to the end so why even have that system at all.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A shitload of video game design is basically just 'other game had this, so we have it' with no regard as to whether it actually contributes anything.

That Zero Punctuation review of Sekiro comes to mind where game design process should go like treating a hoarder- go down every single feature and mechanic in the game and ask 'Does this meaningfully improve the gameplay experience?' Would save a lot of time, effort and money, too.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

Ghost Leviathan posted:

That Zero Punctuation review of Sekiro comes to mind where game design process should go like treating a hoarder- go down every single feature and mechanic in the game and ask 'Does this meaningfully improve the gameplay experience?' Would save a lot of time, effort and money, too.

Deus Ex Invisible War is a textbook example of where the developers did exactly as you suggest, a drawback to that approach is it can strip a game of much of it's personality, mostly as it's nebulous what "improving the gameplay experience" even means.

SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jul 29, 2021

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The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Rutibex posted:

the other Diablo clones are too slow.

rip Marvel Heroes

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