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OwlFancier posted:Do protestants have a canon? I thought that was half the point. btw since someone mentioned Revelations, here's an interesting fact I read the other day: turns out that the beast of revelation is obviously & deliberately supposed to be Nero ("666" & "616" are just transliterations of two different spellings of "Nero" in Hebrew numerology, for example). Turns out people have been interpreting Revelations to be about their least favourite politicians since literally before it was written. e: similarly, "257" could be transliterated as "pqzo", which is *checks notes* Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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josh04 posted:I bought "The Pursuit of the Millenium" during second lockdown thinking its tales of hardy peasants driven to distraction by biblical apocrypha would be an amusing diversion, but all the stories about crackpot monks using natural-disaster-x to whip up a murder mob quickly became depressingly real and I had to stop. Hence why when you want middle ages pandemic reading, its best to just stick to The Decameron, and snigger at how 'horny' and toilet humour has been a staple of human culture for centuries.
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Jul 29, 2021 11:39
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Borrovan posted:btw since someone mentioned Revelations, here's an interesting fact I read the other day: turns out that the beast of revelation is obviously & deliberately supposed to be Nero ("666" & "616" are just transliterations of two different spellings of "Nero" in Hebrew numerology, for example). Turns out people have been interpreting Revelations to be about their least favourite politicians since literally before it was written. Because Revelation is a conspiracy zine. That's not even an r/atheist take, tonally it has nothing to do with, say, the Acts of the Apostles or the various Letters or the Gospels themselves, even the Early Church was saying "wait why are we tacking this at the end" and it may just have been simple misattribution as to who even wrote it that let it stay in there. (The 'canon' for most Evangelical Protestants would be KJV, word for word, everything else is heresy, no don't ask why bi king had a more faithful translation than the original scrolls, but by the time you're adding 5,000 word 'statements of faith' on top of that, you're definitely making a new canon.)
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Jul 29, 2021 11:44
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I feel like the emphasis on the personal relationship with god is pretty inherently anti canonical, in that you can just claim that you are doing it right because god is talking to you and everyone else is Like yes there is A Book but there seems to be a lot of emphasis on personal interpretation (or finding someone else's you agree with) of the text as being the real point. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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Jul 29, 2021 11:46
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But they are a social order club as much as anything else, so if you keep iterating away from their statements of faith that definitely aren't creeds and their declared interpretations that definitely aren't canons then you end up with Quakers and Unitarians.
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Jul 29, 2021 11:49
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and the lord said: get in the robot, jesus and jesus said: actually its not a robot
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Jul 29, 2021 11:50
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Guavanaut posted:Yes, the bit that the early Catholics got right is that if you translated Revelation into vernacular without context you'd get mass conspiracy cults. The bit they got wrong is that if you didn't then you still got conspiracy cults, but they were led by monks or friars or sometimes whole branches of the Church itself.  & Paul can definitely get to gently caress.
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Jul 29, 2021 11:52
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Borrovan posted:Acts & the epistles are also Jesus & Friends Extended Universe Nobody *actually* dies, just like the MCU
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Jul 29, 2021 11:56
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There's a big difference between "Early Church is so cool and did it right and here's a bunch of their letters I condensed for reference with the bits I think they did right, so cool" and Revelation, which was more like "Loompanics presents a rare collaboration between William Blake and William S Burroughs" with slightly less dongs.
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Jul 29, 2021 11:58
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Guavanaut posted:There's a big difference between "Early Church is so cool and did it right and here's a bunch of their letters I condensed for reference with the bits I think they did right, so cool" and Revelation, which was more like "Loompanics presents a rare collaboration between William Blake and William S Burroughs" with slightly less dongs. But Paul and his letters can still get to gently caress. 'Oh I never actually met the dude but I happened to see him in a burning bush one day and he told me to do his will so I'm divinely inspired now, no I can't show you the burning bush sorry, btw gay people are bad now, women should submit and slaves should like it, Jesus told me so even though none of that is in the Gospels'. Very much a sharp 1st century Roman politician/church leader with all the biases of his time.
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Paul a dick, but our interpretations of what he even meant by "gay people are bad" is subject to our own biases, not just now but in the 1950s, in the 1890s, in the 16th century, etc. which is probably more interesting than what his contemporary understanding of whatever he was talking about was. Each one of the politicians/church leaders who perpetuated that rather than just consigning it along with niche views about figs bears a share of the blame for that, and it mostly now seems to come up in the context of https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744
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Jul 29, 2021 12:29
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There's an American-made TV series that dramatizes Acts of the Apostles and adds a bunch of politics stuff with the Romans and suchlike, and it is actually very good despite being a followup to the very boring 'The Bible' miniseries. It's hard to find now because they recut it as a movie for Easter a couple of years ago. It's called 'AD: The Bible Continues' or 'AD: Kingdom and Empire' and if you can get past the very earnest literal interpretations of things like the visitation of the Holy Spirit, it's pretty great with a stellar cast and some good, complicated looks at the tensions of first century Judea. And I mention it because their version of Paul is amazing. He's an awful obnoxious dickhead who's certain he's right all the time, and that doesn't change when he converts. There's a strong implication that he gets sent off to preach in distant lands because he was driving everybody insane.
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Jul 29, 2021 12:33
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HopperUK posted:He's an awful obnoxious dickhead who's certain he's right all the time, and that doesn't change when he converts. There's a strong implication that he gets sent off to preach in distant lands because he was driving everybody insane. Also that people tend to ignore the context of exactly who the letters were addressed to, when he's telling people not to eat with sinners or w/e he's not telling people in general but some specific people who he thinks are too stupid to understand what Jesus was getting at. I disagree because even once you strip out the disputed letters, and the ones that have been taken out of context, he's still a colossal prick & can barely open his mouth without contradicting Jesus. feedmegin posted:'Oh I never actually met the dude but I happened to see him in a burning bush one day and he told me to do his will so I'm divinely inspired now, no I can't show you the burning bush sorry, btw gay people are bad now, women should submit and slaves should like it, Jesus told me so even though none of that is in the Gospels'. (btw Guava yeah obviously it's not on the same level as Revelation, which I'd tend to file along with all the medieval fanfiction rather than JFEU, I just can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about Paul when halfway relevant)
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Jul 29, 2021 12:52
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Regarde Aduck posted:and the lord said: get in the robot, jesus
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Borrovan posted:(btw Guava yeah obviously it's not on the same level as Revelation, which I'd tend to file along with all the medieval fanfiction rather than JFEU, I just can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about Paul when halfway relevant)
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Jul 29, 2021 13:08
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Guys how do I watch Time Team on a television in 2021.
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Jul 29, 2021 14:10
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Is it not on every day on Channel 4 at 3pm so I can watch that instead of going to my actual archaeology lectures anymore?
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Jul 29, 2021 14:13
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Szmitten posted:Guys how do I watch Time Team on a television in 2021. I think its freely available on All4
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Jul 29, 2021 14:15
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"Look here Baldrick, we found a little bit of clay pottery here, look you can just about see it here in my hand. we can extrapolate from that we had a roaring town of people living like old times people! Cue the artist renditions or people dressed up as them."
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Jul 29, 2021 14:16
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Baldrick looks up from a hand-dug pit with an ancient series of small walls in them. "This is bad for Jeremy Corbyn"
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Borrovan posted:Anglicans definitely do (& are also technically Catholic). Hm wait, what?  If I were to ask the pope if the Church of England is Catholic, would he say yes?
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Jul 29, 2021 14:21
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happyhippy posted:"Look here Baldrick, we found a little bit of clay pottery here, look you can just about see it here in my hand. we can extrapolate from that we had a roaring town of people living like old times people! Cue the artist renditions or people dressed up as them." Visiting ruins in Central America had that feeling at times. I had a Mexican student ID so got free/heavily discounted entry to ruins. This meant instead of just going to the big ones like Chichen Itza and Tulum I went to a few where there was a field with a couple of stones that had been excavated. Nothing else visible other than the display board that had an artist's rendition of a temple and a few paragraphs about it. Absolutely baffling.
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jaete posted:Hm wait, what? The whole point of Anglicans is that they are one holy, catholic and apostolic Church regardless of whether he says so or not though. And that's without getting into Oxford Movement and Anglo-Catholicism, which is basically identical but with different bishops which occasionally became the same bishops.
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Jul 29, 2021 14:25
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Sad Panda posted:Visiting ruins in Central America had that feeling at times. I had a Mexican student ID so got free/heavily discounted entry to ruins. This meant instead of just going to the big ones like Chichen Itza and Tulum I went to a few where there was a field with a couple of stones that had been excavated. Nothing else visible other than the display board that had an artist's rendition of a temple and a few paragraphs about it. Absolutely baffling. I was joking about how the show usually goes. But there are ways to show there was a building, or buildings there, just by examining the ground scans or whatnot. Usually they get the intern to walk over the place with that scanner that they have to poke into the ground every few feet at the start.
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Jul 29, 2021 14:26
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Pottery and coins also tell you that the community was thriving enough to have good ovens and/or trade
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Szmitten posted:Guys how do I watch Time Team on a television in 2021. I've actually just found that there's a Youtube channel by the producers behind Time Team that's uploading loads of episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/TimeTeamClassics/ They're trying to get the series revived as well 
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Jul 29, 2021 14:51
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Sad Panda posted:Visiting ruins in Central America had that feeling at times. I had a Mexican student ID so got free/heavily discounted entry to ruins. This meant instead of just going to the big ones like Chichen Itza and Tulum I went to a few where there was a field with a couple of stones that had been excavated. Nothing else visible other than the display board that had an artist's rendition of a temple and a few paragraphs about it. Absolutely baffling. This is exactly why Time Team can go gently caress themselves, because they insist on digging poo poo up for the cameras. My archaeology teacher at college had a passionate hatred for them because there is an astronomical amount of info you can get through non-invasive methods, and even if you do dig a trench or two you do it via careful layer-by-layer analysis -you don't loving give yourself 3 days and trash a site that someone else could do properly.
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Jul 29, 2021 15:25
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jaete posted:Hm wait, what?
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Jul 29, 2021 15:30
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Was hoping it to be Cousin Johnny. Now thats a real religon you can worship.
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Jul 29, 2021 15:34
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Thanks to whoever posted about Too Good To Go btw, just had a succulent Chinese meal for 2 plus some other bits for the fridge for a total of £4, will definitely use again
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Jul 29, 2021 15:34
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Ah I see you know your judo well!
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Jul 29, 2021 15:35
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Borrovan posted:Thanks to whoever posted about Too Good To Go btw, just had a succulent Chinese meal for 2 plus some other bits for the fridge for a total of £4, will definitely use again This... is Brexocracy Manifest
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Jul 29, 2021 15:44
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I've watched Time Team on loop at lunchtime when available for over a decade but it's gradually disappeared.Sakurazuka posted:Is it not on every day on Channel 4 at 3pm so I can watch that instead of going to my actual archaeology lectures anymore? Channel 4 stopped showing and Yesterday was my backup but they also stopped. JollyBoyJohn posted:I think its freely available on All4 My understanding is it's only available on PC/browser and All4 services on TVs don't have the full selections. EvilHawk posted:I've actually just found that there's a Youtube channel by the producers behind Time Team that's uploading loads of episodes: I also saw this when it started a few months back and while I'd want everything and a more orderly selection (and Youtube via TV is awkward for me) it is kinda my only option.
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Jul 29, 2021 16:25
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Szmitten posted:My understanding is it's only available on PC/browser and All4 services on TVs don't have the full selections. Oh really, that's whacky, i play any tv stuff through a laptop hooked up to a big screen, i had no idea
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Couple things: Twisto: RIP to Abby. I never had any pets growing up, but we were adopted (long story) by a cat back in November, and it's made me realise how powerful and melancholic the love for an animal can be. She looks really happy and full of character, and I'm sure you loved her as unconditionally as she did you. Lockdown feels: I've been working from home for the past 5 years so my lockdown has been not so materially different day-to-day as my life before the pandemic. That said: went for a walk around town this last weekend, and I can tell already: I'll miss lockdown. I hate seeing the park filled with screaming yobs, instead of clean and serene. I hate the roads being jammed with cars, the shops and pubs and restaurants jammed with maskless staff-bothering mouthbreathers. It's been amazing, for me but especially for those with mobility issues or who are otherwise isolated, to have so many events provided both in person and livestreamed online. Lockdown ending has reminded me of all the things I hated about the pre-pandemic world 😆 Festivals and doing things: I'm writing this post from my parent's patio at their home in Canada, having flown out from Gatwick on Tuesday afternoon. It's been a very conflicting experience. On the one hand, I think us lifting the restrictions is a big mistake, and I wouldn't be surprised if in two weeks time I'm flying back to news of a new lockdown. On the other hand: as we DID raise the restrictions, and I have faith in myself to be incredibly cautious during all stages of this thing: I weighed my options and decided to come. I've not seen my family for nearly three years, and after following all of the rules to the letter if not moreso from 2020 to now: when I saw all those people at Wembley during the Euros, acting like we cured the drat thing, I thought, sod it. My home town has 14 cases currently out of 250000 people, so the big risk is me being patient 0 for bringing delta over. But I must say, the prohibitive price of the extra testing, plus the fact that it is required in the first place both on departure and arrival, made me feel confident in my decision. And I'm thrilled that I did it to be honest. Yes, it is not the flu. Yes, it is more deadly and more transmissible. Yes, it's not just my own safety that I'm risking. But we know enough about the thing at this point that if we exercise extreme caution, we can still do the things we need to do for our own sanity, without fear.
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So how’s Brexit going?
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Jul 29, 2021 18:01
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There will be adequate food. Shortages yes but still adequate!
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Gatts posted:So how’s Brexit going? It got done.
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OwlFancier posted:There will be adequate food. Shortages yes but still adequate! Don't worry, that's not (just) due to Brexit, it's also to do with global mishandling of the pandemic, the UK governments mishandling of the pandemic and decades of undermining agricultural and industrial resilience. So really a lot of it would be happening anyway.
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Gatts posted:So how’s Brexit going? They want to renegotiate it. stev posted:It got done. Brexit will never be done. It is politically important that it never gets done.
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